Power Plant Brought Out of Mothballs for Blockchain Usage

Wierdo said:
To add to Z's earlier post:

The coal industry has one of the most powerful lobbies in that nation, so regardless of the cost question, it's gonna be used as a bailout of sorts.

The politicians there are quite behind the rest of the civilized world in this area because of politics involved, but solar as a residential solution is extremely successful due to attractive cost combined with the ridiculously high prices charged for electricity there.

And as mention, new construction is showing excellent growth for modern renewable solutions, despite the efforts of some corrupt politicians.
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Well, they are like 10 miles from China, so that shit comes to them real cheap.
 
WorldExclusive said:
Use natural resources to convert it solely into fiat. I guess all of the other dumb ideas were taken.
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Well, since natural resources no longer belong to either nature nor the inhabitants of said nature (except the extra-special ones, of course), it becomes a truly staggeringly stupid idea.
 
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shad0w4life said:
Oh Good, all those Hippies in BC protesting the Pipeline can really suck it. What are they going to do when coal shipments increase in BC, driving up ship traffic

In one year the amount of coal they ship out does more damage than any pipeline or Oil Sand refining.
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Hey, fuck you and your oil sands pipeline running thru my former back yard, just to profit the Kock Bros selling it to China.
 
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MV75 said:
Just remember kiddos, this is also the country where they want to spend, err, give 500million to burn brown coal (the filthiest thing you can burn), here to then ship 3 tons of hydrogen to japan. Whoopie! Fuck these cunts, we're awash in solar power and they still want to burn coal.
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But, the PROFITS! Who will think of those poor, defenseless PROFITS?
 
cyclone3d said:
I take it that you have no idea that coal burning power plants are way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way cleaner than they used to be. In the US, they had to retrofit the older plants with newer equipment to make it so. This was on top of the already crazy regulations.

When you see a coal power plant, there will not be any visible black smoke coming out of them as is apparently the general idea that most people have about them.

And check this one out. They are using the CO2 to help pump more oil from the ground:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...the-way/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.e9a3fbd306e2

And check out this.
https://www.timesrecordnews.com/sto...finds-carbon-dioxide-not-pollutant/101322116/
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1) missed the snark, didja?

2) present administration is already dismantling those regulations, which were only followed when the wind blew toward the air sensors.

3) large percentage of non-visible smoke still carries large amounts of heavy metals and carcinogens blanketing anyone downwind from the plant. Not to mention black lung from the workers.

4) since you seem to have a stiffy for coal, move to Oz and get a job as a blockchaining coalnworker; we'll look for your obit in about 5 years..
 
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viivo said:
There must be a way to harnass the frictional energy of a million people jacking off. Just imagine how many blockchains a blockchainer could blockchain.
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The new cool kid's dictionary: "Man, I, like, blockchained for a whole HOUR before I got my BitWad!"
 
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WhoMe said:
Funny guy. Clean coal is bullshit pure and simple.
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Just like so called carbon free energy like solar panels & windmills, where they ignore all the pollution crated during the manufacture and shipping of the products.
 
I'm not much of an tree huger, but this is downright fucking with the earth for absolutely no benefit.

Wanna sell coal, start a huge BBQ sale or something useful. But crypto mining?
 
nutzo said:
Just like so called carbon free energy like solar panels & windmills, where they ignore all the pollution crated during the manufacture and shipping of the products.
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There's no such thing as "carbon-free" ANYTHING.

Besides, CO2 is fertilizer...
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
For new construction, renewables are getting pretty damned close price wise compared to traditional generation. It won't be long until they are the cheaper alternative for new construction.

This - however - is not new construction. The capital investment in this plant has already been made, so now they just have to factor in operating costs. Based on that, it's not an apples-to-apples comparison.
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Any links to data points on that? Preferably without the government subsidy for "renewables"?

Serious question btw, I have looked into this a great deal many years back, and the only time those systems even got close to other forms of power were because of government subsidy or in locations where coal/gas plants already existed and could make up for renewable peek and off times, so they didn't have to build battery reserves cutting a majority cost and leaning on the other plants and importation of power for off times in solar/wind, brownouts were also far more common for these countries.

cyclone3d said:
I take it that you have no idea that coal burning power plants are way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way cleaner than they used to be. In the US, they had to retrofit the older plants with newer equipment to make it so. This was on top of the already crazy regulations.

When you see a coal power plant, there will not be any visible black smoke coming out of them as is apparently the general idea that most people have about them.

And check this one out. They are using the CO2 to help pump more oil from the ground:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...the-way/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.e9a3fbd306e2

And check out this.
https://www.timesrecordnews.com/sto...finds-carbon-dioxide-not-pollutant/101322116/
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Very true, though still not exactly clean either, but far from the media photos and videos that are often from China, where most power generation plants are government owned and operated and still run very old tech and don't even meet their own air pollution laws, the public often has lots to say about it, but little action can be taken as they are government controlled.

Big_Rig_Stig said:
Watch West Texas... dem good ol' boys will be cutting them durn windmills down with chainsaws any day now...
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Texas makes good and pretty large use of wind and solar, being from Houston myself, the coast line is huge and a great area where wind makes good supplemental power as well as solar as we see LOTS of sun. People often forget practicality of these are not the same everywhere, there are whole states or even countries where these methods are not even practical. Texas is also one of the few places where you will see Shell, KOS etc etc building oil rigs right next to wind farms (many owned by the energy and oil/gas companies), Texas uses what works, where it works, many people are of the "it has to be one or the other" or "one is good and one is evil" opinion. These companies are smart as well, and are not going to pass up free money from government.
 
nutzo said:
Just like so called carbon free energy like solar panels & windmills, where they ignore all the pollution crated during the manufacture and shipping of the products.
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You would be wrong about that, buy hey keep deluding yourself. It's also known what kind of damage is done by new hydroelectric projects and the mining of uranium for nuclear power plants etc. You might want to learn about the Scientific method and peer review.
 
nutzo said:
Notice they are not installing windmills or solar panels to provide cheap electricity.
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Two reasons for that:

1) Mining is a base load activity. It draws the same power 24/7. Solar and wind only produce part of the day. So they work good for demand based stuff, which a lot of human activity is (like A/C and such) but not for something like this.

2) They know this shit is a fad, and they aren't going to spend on a bunch of new infrastructure. They'll make use of something they have to milk more money out of it, but they aren't going to invest a bunch of new capital on it.
 
During the Mesozoic Era (Dinosaurs) C02 was ~ 5x more than it is today. Mostly from Volcano's. https://www.livescience.com/44330-jurassic-dinosaur-carbon-dioxide.html

This brought warmth to the earth that even polar ice was rare during most of that 265million year period. Did all life die out?

Just the opposite, plant life thrives with increase CO2, such that large forms of millions of species could be supported, everywhere! Life needs it!

So what happen to all the abundance of CO2? More particular is Carbon? As carbon was being deposited year after year into sediments forming coal, oil etc. it starts to deplete out of the atmosphere (also rate of volcano's has decrease) such a point where the earth cools to point of an Ice Age, plant life struggle due to much less source of carbon. Unless carbon is released life will die is the short answer. https://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/green-science/earth-carbon-stored.htm

So the damn twist here is that mining with coal plants, will save and allow more life to thrive. :D A good thing.

Some folks just have everything backwards is the thing.
 
WhoMe said:
You would be wrong about that, buy hey keep deluding yourself. It's also known what kind of damage is done by new hydroelectric projects and the mining of uranium for nuclear power plants etc. You might want to learn about the Scientific method and peer review.
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Actually you might want to do some research.

Scientific method and peer review went out the window a long time ago when it comes to energy production.
It's now mostly about politics, NIMBY (not in my back yard), and what every is currently hated by the environmental groups.
 
noko said:
During the Mesozoic Era (Dinosaurs) C02 was ~ 5x more than it is today. Mostly from Volcano's. https://www.livescience.com/44330-jurassic-dinosaur-carbon-dioxide.html

This brought warmth to the earth that even polar ice was rare during most of that 265million year period. Did all life die out?

Just the opposite, plant life thrives with increase CO2, such that large forms of millions of species could be supported, everywhere! Life needs it!
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It's even worse than that.
The global warming/climate change zealots point to the time before the industrial revolution as the ideal level for CO2.
This is when CO2 levels where at one of the lowest levels in the history of the planet.
At this low level of CO2, plants are staving. (that's why they raise the CO2 levels 2-3 times higher in green houses to grow the huge roses and other plants)
It's been argued that if the CO2 levels had continued to drop another 30%, we would have had a massive die-off of plant life, and soon followed by much of the animal population.

CO2 is NOT a pollutant, it's plant food (y)
 
nutzo said:
Actually you might want to do some research.

Scientific method and peer review went out the window a long time ago when it comes to energy production.
It's now mostly about politics, NIMBY (not in my back yard), and what every is currently hated by the environmental groups.
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You're living up to your name. Sad that you think the scientific method is gone when it's far from it.
 
WhoMe said:
You're living up to your name. Sad that you think the scientific method is gone when it's far from it.
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Only fundies, CEOs, management, accounting, 1%ers, politicians, and the genuinely stupid, deny the scientific method.

We really need a "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Universe" solution...
 
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