M76
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You want a post in a forum to explicitly state that it is only the opinion of the poster?Not seeing the * "Opinion not shared by everyone" fine print in that post.
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You want a post in a forum to explicitly state that it is only the opinion of the poster?Not seeing the * "Opinion not shared by everyone" fine print in that post.
Bugs have a tendency to only appear under very specific conditions often only on specific computers. And this is not the only issue I'm having with 10, there are other weird things that I don't even know if it's bad design or a bug. Like rebooting every time I leave it running unattended. Or not being able to use the right click context menu on search results to access properties and management as I used to do. IT's not even possible to drag shortcuts to the desktop from search results. you have to manually find the program location or the shortcut to be able to put it on the desktop.
I was having some issues with Windows 7. Mostly minor audio things with switching between my onboard audio through my speakers and my Fiio amp/dac.
I installed Mint Cinnamon and was ready to use that on my main desktop. I couldn't get the xorg.conf file to save or initialize on reboot for my GTX 1080. I spent over an hour troubleshooting and trying different methods that supposedly worked for other people before I gave up. I'm not going to spend my free time trying to get my system to work, especially for something as stupid and simple as desktop settings. Desktop Linux is a joke.
I bought a gray-market LTSB key from a member here and installed Windows 10 LTSB. Its as good as I am going to get right now.
When you make changes in the Nvidia server settings before exiting the application go to the bottom of the list to 'nvidia-settings Configuration' and click 'Save Current Configuration', name the file '.nvidia-settings-rc' and click save, be sure to save to your home folder. Once this is done click the 'Quit' button and 'Quit' again.
This is what I do on a number of different installs and it's never let me down. You have to remember that xorg.conf is part of the root file system that you don't have access to, trying to save to xorg.conf is bound for failure - Linux is very protective of the root file system, which is a good thing.
I've used this procedure under cinnamon in the past and it worked fine. The problem with Windows is things appear easier at the expense of security.
If you save it to your home folder, will it know where to look when it reboots? I have been trying to get it to copy to the xorg file in /etc/ with no luck. Even opening a terminal and running sudo nvidia-settings isn't working. I'll go home and test later on today, I really want to get Mint going as my main OS.
[EDIT] It's a bit strange that you mention 'sudo nvidia-settings' doesn't work, have you seen the Nvidia settings panel yet? Do you actually have it installed as you can install the drivers without it?
It does 'work', but it doesn't act like I would expect. Maybe I'm looking at it the wrong way. Here's the basic steps I'm taking..
In terminal
sudo nvidia-settings
This brings up the GUI. Make the changes (changing my main monitor, setting my main monitor to 100hz and changing the resolution on both from Auto to their correct resolution. I hit save. When I reboot, none of the settings are retained. So I do it again, only this time saving the xorg.conf file. I didn't think it would work saving it in my home folder and having the Nvidia drivers be aware that it was saved there and to reference it so I open up terminal again, go to my xorg folder and rename the xorg.conf file there to xorg.conf.backup and mv the one saved from the Nvidia GUI to the xorg folder. When I reboot, it reverts back to the stock settings again.
It is not too bad once you get rid of all the bloatware and metro. Lots of 3rd party apps to make it usable and look like 7.No way in hell I'll ever use Windows 10.
It is not too bad once you get rid of all the bloatware and metro. Lots of 3rd party apps to make it usable and look like 7.
Well.....Yeah. It is far from 7, but works.....mostly...Right up until the next major update?
LTSB has been great. If you want a much better experience with Windows 10, grab a gray market key and enjoy.
I don't really use Windows 10 so the issues surrounding the OS don't really bother me, as annoying as it is that Windows 10 Professional has been watered down to something resembling Windows 10 Home. I converted to Linux many years ago and couldn't be happier, my plan is to switch my Windows PC to Linux and run Windows 10 in a VM.
I was having some issues with Windows 7. Mostly minor audio things with switching between my onboard audio through my speakers and my Fiio amp/dac.
I installed Mint Cinnamon and was ready to use that on my main desktop. I couldn't get the xorg.conf file to save or initialize on reboot for my GTX 1080. I spent over an hour troubleshooting and trying different methods that supposedly worked for other people before I gave up. I'm not going to spend my free time trying to get my system to work, especially for something as stupid and simple as desktop settings. Desktop Linux is a joke.
I bought a gray-market LTSB key from a member here and installed Windows 10 LTSB. Its as good as I am going to get right now.
Does LTSB play games and stuff?
I’m still working on that transition. No dice on the Nvidia settings problem but the problem doesn’t exist in arch based distros so I’m probably going to give Manjaro a shot. Eventually I’m going to be on a Linux install with a Windows vm for whatever is left over that I can’t find a good alternative for.
The funny thing is I work in Oracle Linux and Centos all day at work. I don’t really do any admin work besides database patching and a few small things in the centos server. Not much in terminal, all GUI.
Drag the Nvidia icon to the desktop, right click on it and select 'run as administrator', enter your password and try my procedure again. It has to work, I've done it!
Let me know if it doesn't work and I'll set up a box with the same OS and see if I can work it out.
Try a different distro?I actually got it working but ran into other roadblocks and huge inconveniences that I don't want to deal with. Just the experience alone is something they need to work on with Linux, it's just a pain in the ass to do a lot of things that are trivial in any other OS. Heres an example of what im talking about and my experience over the last week.
Windows -
Install windows (no problems at all)
Install drivers
Set custom settings in Nvidia control panel. 100hz on my main monitor and arrange my 2nd monitor to be in the correct position.
Reboot, all settings stick, no issues.
Fire up a game. Since I use an ultrawide with a resolution of 3440x1440, I play some games in 2560x1440 since they don't work with ultrawide resolution, I don't mind the black bars, its essentially playing with a 27" 2560x1440 display.
Play games, enjoy life, no issues.
Linux-
Install Linux. Mint wont boot into the live cd. Just dots and artifacts on screen.
Spend about an hour troubleshooting it. Looking at thread after thread after thread of bad info.
Finally decide to unplug everything but the keyboard/mouse and usb drive. Same thing.
I literally installed this earlier this week, why isn't it working now? Screwing with secureboot settings, fastboot, cms, no dice.
Finally unplug 2nd monitor and it goes right into Mint.
Mint installs easily (I'll give credit here, its a good experience even compared to windows)
Boot into Mint, install updates (again, this is way better than Windows. Big thumbs up with updates).
Go into drivers and change the open source drivers to the proprietary drivers for my gtx 1080.
Go into the settings like a normal person would. It wont save the profile.
Do research and find you need to run it as admin or with elevated privileges. Open terminal and use sudo nvidia-settings.
A new GUI opens up, I change the settings and its good. I reboot and none of the settings take.
Research for days. Bunch of bad articles, videos that don't fix anything, and forum posts that end with "dont know what I did but its fixed".
Finally find that there is a bug dating back to 2011 (7.. SEVEN years) where you have to click on the "detect displays" button and it will all of a sudden save the settings.
Finally!! Freedom from windows!
Fire up CSGO. Change settings. Change resolution to 2560x1440 like on windows.
Its playing as stretched. No problem, Ill fix it now that I can save the settings in the nvidia control panel.
..... I cant find the setting.
Back go google.
See articles from 2014 with people who had the same issue. Simple fix, go to the correct tab in the settings and change it.
The tab isn't there.
The settings arent there.
Google more. Find that starting in 2016, Nvidia removed it.
Only way to fix it is to open terminal and create a custom profile resolution for csgo.
Endless terminal commands.
Still doesn't work.
I'm going to be on Linux full time eventually, but they need to look at experiences like mine. This is what a typical user has to come up against. Compare what it takes to get going in Windows. I love Linux, I just wish it really made that push. Its not all on the developers either, vendors need to get on board too (looking at you Nvidia).
Try a different distro?
So you give up easily. Check.I did. I went back to Windows.
"Try a different distro" is not something that a typical user is going to want to hear when switching to Linux. That's the point I'm trying to make.
So you give up easily. Check.
That would be the case if all the distro's were the same. That is also part of the problem.I did it to prove a point. I worked hard for a good week to get it running on par with my Windows 10 install. I think a week of troubleshooting is way past what a typical user would attempt when its just easier to install Windows and get back to gaming or work. I want Linux to work as a desktop OS replacement. I just think it needs work so solutions to problems isn't "try a different distro" or placing the blame on the user... when maybe its just the OS or Drivers from vendors in that OS that need work.
That would be the case if all the distro's were the same. That is also part of the problem.
Also there are lots of people using Linux and have had no problem setting it up.
That would be for both OS's.Ill admit there are some things in Linux that are profanely stupid, leave you wondering "WTF were they thinking?" It seems there are a lot of Linux developers who are either Chinese or space aliens. If Linux was based on one consistent logic model it would make all the difference in the world. Maybe one day.........
So has most everyone moved to Win 10 now?
I did it to prove a point. I worked hard for a good week to get it running on par with my Windows 10 install. I think a week of troubleshooting is way past what a typical user would attempt when its just easier to install Windows and get back to gaming or work. I want Linux to work as a desktop OS replacement. I just think it needs work so solutions to problems aren't "try a different distro" or placing the blame on the user... when maybe its just the OS or Drivers from vendors in that OS that need work.
I'd suggest trying another distro as I think Mint is over rated
Forgive me if the comment above really pisses me off.
Note to self, don't assist self righteous Windows users looking to make a point, I honestly thought you were interested in shifting away from Windows, glad I didn't go to the trouble of setting up another machine with the same distro to help you out. For the record, I installed my distro, I added the Nvidia driver PPA, I installed the latest Nvidia drivers (the drivers in Driver Manager will not be the latest) which was easier than the process installing drivers under Windows, I open Nvidia X Server Settings and make my changes, I save my changes using the procedure I outlined, they stick no worries, I download the Steam .deb and install Steam quickly and easily via the GUI just like Windows and download and install CS:GO as easily as under Windows, open CS:GO, change settings to 1920 x 1080 and everything works fine on a single monitor (I have two), I play game no worries.
EDIT: I can also go to Nvidia X Server settings and change the resolution and refresh rate for each of my monitors no problem and I haven't seen Nvidia remove any features from X Server Settings in years, only add features.
Quite often things don't work as advertised under certain configurations running Windows either, I'd suggest trying another distro as I think Mint is over rated, but if you're only out to prove a point best you stick to an OS your comfortable with. Dissapointing.