No internet unless VPN software is active

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NeghVar

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I just upgraded my service from 100Mb to 300Mb. I had to buy a new router because my old one had a 10/100 WAN port. It is installed now but I am getting some odd behavior. All the IP info and settings in the router are correct, but nothing can reach the internet. What makes this so strange though is that my VPN service is able to connect. And when it does, my system can reach the internet with no problems. Same with my wife’s PC and our smartphones. When the VPN software is connected, no problems. Unfortunately, our Rokus and IPTV cannot connect.

Any clues as to what could be causing this odd behavior?
 
Juic3 said:
Maybe DNS settings ?
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That was my initial thought, but everything appears fine. The router mainly serves for NAT and port forwarding. I have a domain controller that supplies DHCP and DNS services. I use OpenDNS. I tried switching to the Google DNS (8.8.8.8 & 8.8.4.4) but no luck. DHCP is disabled on the new router
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When I run network troubleshooting on mine and my wife’s PC, we get “Your computer appears to be correctly configured, but the device or resource (www.microsoft.com) is not responding”
 
Spyware set some kind of proxy? Can you ping 8.8.8.8 from cmd? Also can you ping a dns name from cmd?
 
Check with your service provider, and make sure the Modem is activated and you aren't stuck in a "walled garden"?
 
Haven said:
Check with your service provider, and make sure the Modem is activated and you aren't stuck in a "walled garden"?
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It is the same modem we've had for about 2 years. Would changing the router cause it to deactivate? If it is deactivated, then how I am able get in and out with the PIA VPN connected?
 
pendragon1 said:
do a reset on everything, with the little button.
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Even a reset was done. On the modem and router
But I have fixed the problem.
I disconnected everything and connected directly to the modem. CONNECTED
Connected the router between the modem and my PC. CONNECTED
Connected the Roku and Smart TV to the router. CONNECTED
Connected the office switch between the router and my PC. CONNECTED
Connected Server to office switch. CONNECTED
Disabled DHCP on the router and enabled on the server. CONNECTED
Everything is connected now. Don't know why swapping the router caused such a headache. I've done it before with no problems.
 
Why the VPN would work is odd, but I can tell you that Cable Modems have some type of binding features for whatever device is behind it. So when you switch out routers, you need to restart your cable modem so that the new device gets a working IP address. If you don't the new router / device won't have internet access half of the time because it can't pull a lease that will work.

It could also be related to IPv6. IIRC you get a v6 lease before you get a v4, so if you happen to get a v6 but the router won't get handed a v4 lease because their system still thinks your 1 lease is in use by the old router, that might cause issues. If I'm swapping routers I always make sure to restart the CM at the same time before I plug the new one in. I've definitely had issues where stuff just won't work until that happens.
 
bman212121 said:
Why the VPN would work is odd, but I can tell you that Cable Modems have some type of binding features for whatever device is behind it. So when you switch out routers, you need to restart your cable modem so that the new device gets a working IP address. If you don't the new router / device won't have internet access half of the time because it can't pull a lease that will work.

It could also be related to IPv6. IIRC you get a v6 lease before you get a v4, so if you happen to get a v6 but the router won't get handed a v4 lease because their system still thinks your 1 lease is in use by the old router, that might cause issues. If I'm swapping routers I always make sure to restart the CM at the same time before I plug the new one in. I've definitely had issues where stuff just won't work until that happens.
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It's not the IP that's the issue, it's the MAC of the device attached to the modem that needs to be reset. If you connect a device with a different MAC, you need to reset the modem. I've actually brought a modem/portable firewall from my house to another location with the same ISP for testing. As soon as I hooked it up, it pulled the exact same IP as I get at my house.

In fact, it's pretty rare to get a new IP anymore. I've had the same IP for 2-3 years now, including through times where power was out for a couple hours. I believe it's just easier for them to set the life of the DHCP lease extremely long, so users continue to have the same IP since it's much easier to track them.
 
Biznatch said:
It's not the IP that's the issue, it's the MAC of the device attached to the modem that needs to be reset. If you connect a device with a different MAC, you need to reset the modem. I've actually brought a modem/portable firewall from my house to another location with the same ISP for testing. As soon as I hooked it up, it pulled the exact same IP as I get at my house.

In fact, it's pretty rare to get a new IP anymore. I've had the same IP for 2-3 years now, including through times where power was out for a couple hours. I believe it's just easier for them to set the life of the DHCP lease extremely long, so users continue to have the same IP since it's much easier to track them.
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Yes that's the first part I was talking about. I would completely agree with what you said there. Have you seen how v6 works in that scenario? I would think since it's auto configured in a lot of cases the router would just make up it's own v6 address and maybe that's why v6 just starts working but v4 does not.
 
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