GeForce Partner Program Impacts Consumer Choice

IdiotInCharge said:
"That's too far! I'm going to pay more for the slower/hotter part with worse support!"

totally /s


Whose to say that AMD even deserves ROG branding given their product history?
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Well the subject seems to suddenly be whether AMD will even be sold under the Asus brand not just the ROG sub-brand, however it seems ridiculous to suggest that the 1050 deserves the ROG branding while a 580 or Vega doesn't.

As to whether this an antitrust issue or not I think the biggest problem is that they're not trying to get the other companies to market their products better or in a certain matter as much as they're coercing them to not promote the competition in a normal manner. Nvidia might very well get away with it which I'm sure they're banking on but I think if they do it's because the FTC doesn't really seem interested in enforcing antitrust rules and the other companies involved might be concerned about repercussions if they try to sue over it.
 
IdiotInCharge said:
"That's too far! I'm going to pay more for the slower/hotter part with worse support!"

totally /s


Whose to say that AMD even deserves ROG branding given their product history?
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Apparently up until Nvidia forced them to stop, Asus did. But hey, the Idiot thinks it's ok for a company to take over a brand that Asus has built up for years.
 
Araxie said:
I don't see a problem with AORUS (gigabyte powered new brand).. I don't see a problem with AREZ (ASUS powered New brand) you see? no issues. MSI will do the same, and the rest of AIBs will do exactly the same shit, and no issues will be happening anytime soon. you can build a new brand and still make excellent products (AORUS, the new Galax [Older Galaxy]), and you can have a very known Brand and sell sub-par products forever (XFX, Powercolor) and speaking of powercolor and "high end" red devil series (which lately are just expensive garbage).
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A well established brand! Before they were both equals now ROG will be exclusive to Nvidia the name that has already been their brand name! Well built one. You don’t see an issue with that? Those names already have gamers mind shares. It makes it look like Nvidia is going for well established names to feature their exclusive hardware. To you a well established brand name doesn’t mean much? It’s like A brand vs B brand. If you don’t see any issue with that. Nvidia pulled their premium well established branding to their side exclusive and forced them to built new names for AMD card. They are forcing AIB hand, like KYLE has said without naming his sources that they don’t like it. But they still have to sell Nvidia. So Nvidia used their superior products to force their hand. Knowing AIBs will be at loss if they didn’t follow through. You are right everyone will do the same thing because otherwise they won’t make the same money if they don’t follow the program. None of the AIBs want to be at a disadvantage vs the others.
 
NKD said:
A well established brand! Before they were both equals now ROG will be exclusive to Nvidia the name that has already been their brand name! Well built one. You don’t see an issue with that? Those names already have gamers mind shares. It makes it look like Nvidia is going for well established names to feature their exclusive hardware. To you a well established brand name doesn’t mean much? It’s like A brand vs B brand. If you don’t see any issue with that. Nvidia pulled their premium well established branding to their side exclusive and forced them to built new names for AMD card. They are forcing AIB hand, like KYLE has said without naming his sources that they don’t like it. But they still have to sell Nvidia. So Nvidia used their superior products to force their hand. Knowing AIBs will be at loss if they didn’t follow through. You are right everyone will do the same thing because otherwise they won’t make the same money if they don’t follow the program. None of the AIBs want to be at a disadvantage vs the others.
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90% of gamers doesn't even look at the package, if we merge all the users from most popular hardware webs(including hardocp) I think we are still less than 10% of the "gaming community", normal people beyond us the *nerd* gaming community, still buy whatever GPU have more vRAM in the box. "oh wow look this card have more memory it should be faster" and that's how it work for most people out there... lol funny fact? lot of people still buy GPUs based on "systemrequirementslab" recommendatios as most guys doesn't even look for reviews before buying a new GPU, most of the time it's because "a friend of mine who knows a lot of PCs told me to buy this GPU", I still think all this whole mess it's an overreacted episode, and if it's going to leave us better engineered GPUS, better overclocking, better software, then im OK with that.. im not crying because XFX doesn't sell Nvidia GPUs, I don't cry because I don't see a Sapphire Nitro+ GTX 1080Ti GPU, you see? brand exclusivity doesn't change anything if they are not married with a good GPU.
 
Araxie said:
90% of gamers doesn't even look at the package, if we merge all the users from most popular hardware webs(including hardocp) I think we are still less than 10% of the "gaming community", normal people beyond us the *nerd* gaming community, still buy whatever GPU have more vRAM in the box. "oh wow look this card have more memory it should be faster" and that's how it work for most people out there... lol funny fact? lot of people still buy GPUs based on "systemrequirementslab" recommendatios as most guys doesn't even look for reviews before buying a new GPU, most of the time it's because "a friend of mine who knows a lot of PCs told me to buy this GPU", I still think all this whole mess it's an overreacted episode, and if it's going to leave us better engineered GPUS, better overclocking, better software, then im OK with that.. im not crying because XFX doesn't sell Nvidia GPUs, I don't cry because I don't see a Sapphire Nitro+ GTX 1080Ti GPU, you see? brand exclusivity doesn't change anything if they are not married with a good GPU.
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LOL have you worked retail? Do you know how many noobs there are? They grab ROG just because it is suppose to be the best? I did for 5 years at frys building custom PCs. I always told them you want to throw extra money its your choice. But people fall for that crap. This 90% number you are throwing out there is not fact. I am backing it up with my personal experience. Your ratio is just that ratio there is no data proving it. Nvidia already has faster cards right? and now ROG brand is nvidia only! No matter how you see it even if nvidia is a little slower lets say next year that is a big if, people would get ROG. Because its well established brand.

LOL you are right normal people buy without knowing shit. But normal people always know or ROG Is the better brand. its Asus's best. Its the same thing as 8gb of ram you are talking about. But ram is mostly same now its branding.
 
Well, I see it as kind of a mixed bag. It seems like it's good, because I always found it confusing to have to sift through the same brand names and product lines for both NVidia and AMD cards, when maybe I only want to see one company's cards. Using, say, the ROG brand for both means it's harder to tell at glance which is NVidia. I always kind of wished they'd call their AMD cards something different since they're very different beasts. The AMD parts run a lot hotter and consume more power, which is kind of a deal breaker for me because my bedroom is tiny and poorly ventilated. I really wish they'd use green branding for NVidia and red branding for AMD, ideally, but they just make them all red and that's confusing.

I'm also kind of tired of every single upper-mid range thing made for PCs having the red and black "gaming" brand on it, it's a little boring. It seems like first ASUS did the ROG branding on everything, then MSI did their Gaming brand on everything, and now it's everywhere. Maybe this program will result in there being a greater variety in color schemes on fans and such.

However, I can also see how it would be bad given that NVidia is requiring their partners to do this and taking away their freedom to brand their products however they like. This could hurt the profits of those OEMs/partners on AMD parts, and their ability to position AMD parts as comparable to their NVidia counterparts.

So yeah, personally it doesn't bother me, but I can see how it might lead to negative consequences. It's not enough to make me want to boycott NVidia or anything, though. Not that I can afford either company's GPUs anyway, I game on my PS4 Pro more these days.
 
athenian200 said:
Well, I see it as kind of a mixed bag. It seems like it's good, because I always found it confusing to have to sift through the same brand names and product lines for both NVidia and AMD cards, when maybe I only want to see one company's cards. Using, say, the ROG brand for both means it's harder to tell at glance which is NVidia. I always kind of wished they'd call their AMD cards something different since they're very different beasts. The AMD parts run a lot hotter and consume more power, which is kind of a deal breaker for me because my bedroom is tiny and poorly ventilated. I really wish they'd use green branding for NVidia and red branding for AMD, ideally, but they just make them all red and that's confusing.

I'm also kind of tired of every single upper-mid range thing made for PCs having the red and black "gaming" brand on it, it's a little boring. It seems like first ASUS did the ROG branding on everything, then MSI did their Gaming brand on everything, and now it's everywhere. Maybe this program will result in there being a greater variety in color schemes on fans and such.

However, I can also see how it would be bad given that NVidia is requiring their partners to do this and taking away their freedom to brand their products however they like. This could hurt the profits of those OEMs/partners on AMD parts, and their ability to position AMD parts as comparable to their NVidia counterparts.

So yeah, personally it doesn't bother me, but I can see how it might lead to negative consequences. It's not enough to make me want to boycott NVidia or anything, though. Not that I can afford either company's GPUs anyway, I game on my PS4 Pro more these days.
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ofcourse not. I wouldn't boycott nvidia either. But its clearly is putting them at advantage. How you said AMD cards are more power hungry among other things. What if tomorrow they are not? This just enabled better branding on nvidia cards where AMD cant have ROG again if they do, AIB will be at disadvantage with other AIBs who follow nvidia program. So its kinda like pushing everyone to make nvidia their more recognized brand.

Think about this ROG card and a hot and power hungry card lol. Now AMD might have a less power hungry and decent performing card but the branding will say here is ROG and here is hot and power hungry card hahaha. So it will create a bad impression on AMD products.
 
NKD said:
ofcourse not. I wouldn't boycott nvidia either. But its clearly is putting them at advantage. How you said AMD cards are more power hungry among other things. What if tomorrow they are not? This just enabled better branding on nvidia cards where AMD cant have ROG again if they do, AIB will be at disadvantage with other AIBs who follow nvidia program. So its kinda like pushing everyone to make nvidia their more recognized brand.

Think about this ROG card and a hot and power hungry card lol. Now AMD might have a less power hungry and decent performing card but the branding will say here is ROG and here is hot and power hungry card hahaha. So it will create a bad impression on AMD products.
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Hate to break it to you, but they've already earned that 'bad impression'.

And chances of them righting it with competitive products?

I wish I could say something better than 'not likely'.

The business reality is that AIB's that would want to do something about it have zero leverage until AMD starts shipping competitive products.
 
IdiotInCharge said:
Hate to break it to you, but they've already earned that 'bad impression'.

And chances of them righting it with competitive products?

I wish I could say something better than 'not likely'.

The business reality is that AIB's that would want to do something about it have zero leverage until AMD starts shipping competitive products.
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Well then intel shouldn't have gotten in trouble for pushing their products lol. That is not the point, you cant force the market that is what nvidia is doing. Kyle has already said from sources he wont reveal that partners feel they have no choice. Its like nvidia is saying hey make us the Mercedes of your brand and make AMD hyundai. It will work for a bit but I can bet this will come back to bite them. Heck I would buy nvidia but I don't believe this program is a fair program. Its forcing AIBs and they are controlling their product line. How is that even fair? They are leveraging their superior product and sales to force AIBs do what they want them to do.


Now what if intel came out and forced all of them to make ROG, gigabyte Gaming and msi top brands intel chipset exclusive and pick a different name for AMD? I bet you think thats not fair. So it doesn't make what nvidia is doing fair.
 
NKD said:
Well then intel shouldn't have gotten in trouble for pushing their products lol. That is not the point, you cant force the market that is what nvidia is doing.
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You absolutely can force the market- and unlike Intel, Nvidia isn't trying to get companies to stop selling AMD, and they're certainly not paying them to stop selling AMD.
 
IdiotInCharge said:
You absolutely can force the market- and unlike Intel, Nvidia isn't trying to get companies to stop selling AMD, and they're certainly not paying them to stop selling AMD.
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LOL I am glad you are okay with shady practices. LOL MSI removed all gaming from radeon cards rofl thats okay? Intel tomorrow comes out and says hey only intel chipsets get gaming and rog names, pick something else for AMD, I know I am not okay with that. Its clear intention to hurt the competitor product. There are not two ways about it. Didn't some of the unnamed sources say basically this was my way or the highway type of deal. Leveraging their current superior product to force them to adop their well known branding nvidia only? Where they can force it or not is not the question. But I think down the road they will probably get in shit for it. But its whatever though not costing me anything but I gotta all it out as I see it.

Its not forcing consumer its forcing AIBs clearly and directly controlling their product line and with clear intention to hurt amd whether they admit it or not. I am sure AIBs know that as well. I am not going to cheer for nvidia on this even if I have their product.

I think end goal here is to push them to stop selling AMD cards to be honest. Why even bother branding them to a lesser alternative. AMD might as well stick with their exclusive vendors. I think that will probably end up happening.
 
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IdiotInCharge said:
You should refrain from making assumptions.
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Okay but there hasn't been anything you said that has remotely suggested you have any concerns about it. it seems like you are okay with it, nothing wrong with that. I am not calling you evil or anything for being okay with it. Its just an opinion and we all have one. Cheers. I never said it was you doing the shady practice. I should have said you are okay with their shady practice, sorry.
 
NKD said:
Okay but there hasn't been anything you said that has remotely suggested you have any concerns about it. it seems like you are okay with it, nothing wrong with that. I am not calling you evil or anything for being okay with it. Its just an opinion and we all have one. Cheers. I never said it was you doing the shady practice. I should have said you are okay with their shady practice, sorry.
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I never said I was okay with their shady practice- I just see it as business.

My concern is that AMD doesn't have a product answer. They've given the AIB's no reason to support them.
 
IdiotInCharge said:
Hate to break it to you, but they've already earned that 'bad impression'.

And chances of them righting it with competitive products?

I wish I could say something better than 'not likely'.

The business reality is that AIB's that would want to do something about it have zero leverage until AMD starts shipping competitive products.
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AMD is shipping very competitive products Mr. Nvidia fanboi. lol

You don't have to take my word for it you can take Kyles.

Freesync2 vs Gsync

"I thought the results of our experiment were very interesting. About half of our gamers preferred FreeSync 2 and half preferred G-Sync, and a couple had no preference at all. When questioned as to one system or the other being worth $200 more than the other, none of gamers found enough reason to spend the extra $200. And worth keeping in mind, the actual difference in system cost with the video card figured in was about $400."

Asus ROG Strix Vega 56

"If you want a video card that doesn’t break the bank as much, and has a lot of overclocking and enthusiast potential, then look toward the ASUS ROG STRIX RX Vega 56 video card we reviewed today.

This one is actually fun to overclock, you can experiment with undervolting, or overvolting, and honing in the right overclocks for an improved gaming experience. When you overclock, you will get over GeForce GTX 1070 Ti performance. Even if you don’t overclock you will be near or at GeForce GTX 1070 Ti FE performance with this video card. "

Asus ROG Strix Vega 64

"When operating at default the ASUS ROG STRIX RX Vega 64 O8G GAMING puts out an enjoyable gaming experience for 1440p gaming. It competes well with the GTX 1080 and provides an alternative that don’t want to go with NVIDIA. The Radeon RX Vega 64 has an advantage when it comes to DX12 and Vulkan gaming. If more of these types of games are released in the future, it could allow Radeon RX Vega 64 to old the edge over the GeForce GTX 1080. "
 
IdiotInCharge said:
Now go look at the prices.
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So your saying the Premium product isn't premium or is in such high demand that resellers are overcharging ?

I can't quite figure out what exactly your issue with AMD is. lol

Its not AMDS fault if there cards are so much better at mining specific workloads that the street price is being inflated ? or is that what your saying... NV deserves the gaming monikers because they suck more at mining, which is keeping the street price of their sub par product closer to MSRP ?
 
ChadD said:
So your saying the Premium product isn't premium or is in such high demand that resellers are overcharging ?

I can't quite figure out what exactly your issue with AMD is. lol

Its not AMDS fault if there cards are so much better at mining specific workloads that the street price is being inflated ? or is that what your saying... NV deserves the gaming monikers because they suck more at mining, which is keeping the street price of their sub par product closer to MSRP ?
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Honestly no nividia card is even close to street price. Even the 1070s are going for 550. Heck my local frys had all shelves empty and one 1070ti at 749.99 lol. So if IdiotinCharge is saying only AMD prices are inflated its just flat out wrong. They are both inflated.
 
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IdiotInCharge said:
I never said I was okay with their shady practice- I just see it as business.

My concern is that AMD doesn't have a product answer. They've given the AIB's no reason to support them.
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RX vega looks pretty decent now against the 1080 the problem was they were too late to the party that was the issue. But the real problem with all graphics card is iflated prices and AMD cards are just being taken for a ride by miners. So there is nothing you can do there. Just because Nvidia is better at gaming for now doesn't mean its right for them to Force AIBs to push aside AMD to lesser brand and take over their popular brand. But as I said if they can get away with yes will do it. But I do think if AIBs felt they had a choice they would have kept it the way it is. Also Nvidia might just push them to a point where they don't even see a point of selling AMD cards since they have to rebrand them. Might be the end game. Who knows.
 
On the face of it, I've been very annoyed and confused with the high pricing of AMD vs Nvidia. Nvidia has been able to keep prices nearer or at MSRP, AMD seems unable to, especially RX Vega. I just can't see why these prices are so high, who is buying these things still? They are way above the Polaris inflated prices. I am wondering if AMD is not restocking Vega or allocating for something else. Polaris...they are a bit higher than Nvidia counterparts but I think the perception is that they still offer better mining performance and I think Nvidia can more easily strong arm their supply chain to follow MSRP than AMD could.
 
NKD said:
Honestly no nividia card is even close to street price. Even the 1070s are going for 550. Heck my local frys had all shelves empty and one 1070ti at 749.99 lol. So if IdiotinCharge is saying only AMD prices are inflated its just flat out wrong. They are both inflated.
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Ya I was just being uhh forceful in my wording as his argument was terrible. :)

I guess the real point if I was making one was; If NV and AMD cards where all easy to find at MSRP they are actually very good competition right now imo.

To my eye the race hasn't changed in years... if you want the fastest card in games released today and the ones you bough in the last 2 years buy the NV card. If you want very close but likely a bit slower performance in those games but faster performance in next years games buy the AMD card. I swear that has been my conclusion for like 3 generations now at least.

I am personally excited by AMDs upcoming Vega Die shrink. A die shrink should reduce the power draw nicely, and bump performance enough to make the Mid range shrunk parts very tempting. However I would prefer to buy a Gaming version with a decent cooling solution and decent looks. (I know its silly... but the only non gaming cards I have ever found sexy where the Radeon Pros... but I can't really justify the write off on one of those in my line of work I don't think, HMMM wait perhaps I can lol) ;)
 
SighTurtle said:
On the face of it, I've been very annoyed and confused with the high pricing of AMD vs Nvidia. Nvidia has been able to keep prices nearer or at MSRP, AMD seems unable to, especially RX Vega. I just can't see why these prices are so high, who is buying these things still? They are way above the Polaris inflated prices. I am wondering if AMD is not restocking Vega or allocating for something else. Polaris...they are a bit higher than Nvidia counterparts but I think the perception is that they still offer better mining performance and I think Nvidia can more easily strong arm their supply chain to follow MSRP than AMD could.
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I think its that people caught on fast with Vega that you could under volt it and get better not worse performance while sipping less power.

That entire sentence is quite moist sounding to your average buyer with coin fever.
 
ChadD said:
Ya I was just being uhh forceful in my wording as his argument was terrible.
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The argument is very clear: you ignored pricing, and have retroactively added the qualification that you are only hypothetically ignoring pricing. Which leaves my argument intact and by you, unanswered.

ChadD said:
I guess the real point if I was making one was; If NV and AMD cards where all easy to find at MSRP they are actually very good competition right now imo.
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"If"

See, we can't ever ignore pricing. And we've just recently gotten to the point where drivers aren't that big of a deal for AMD GPUs.

ChadD said:
To my eye the race hasn't changed in years... if you want the fastest card in games released today and the ones you bough in the last 2 years buy the NV card. If you want very close but likely a bit slower performance in those games but faster performance in next years games buy the AMD card. I swear that has been my conclusion for like 3 generations now at least.
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It really hasn't changed; you can buy a modern Nvidia GPU, or you can buy an AMD GPU on a modern process that runs as hot as the last Nvidia GPU. AMD drivers are mostly not a problem but remain suspect, and FreeSync is still a shitshow.

Good times!
 
As I said before cause it wasn't a joke...

So your argument that NV should be able to lock down and own all the gaming brands is...

Miners prefer the card that allows you to undervolt the GPU and perform more math (I know it sounds insane undervolting to overclock something yet that is what is happening with vega) so because they are buying up all superior stock they can get their hands on. AMD shouldn't be allowed to sell chips to Asus or MSI or anyone else for use in gaming parts ?

What an honestly strange argument. The hillarious thing is the OEMS actually pay more for the Binned GPUs they put in their gaming parts meaning they are more likely to get the cream of the stock delivered to them. Meaning this move by NV will actually make it harder for OEMs to get the "non gamer" binned Vega GPU stock delivered to them, as the demand on those chips from actual direct mining company orders ect is pretty high right now. NV move to block AMD from the Gaming brands hurts gamers on a lot of levels right now.

Really though when comparing price you have to go by MSRP... as other have stated NV is also being effected by the mining craze. Its not like you can go out and buy a 1070 new for anything close to MSRP either. If you go by that... AMD is slighly cheaper for = performance right now when it comes to the gaming cards the OEMs have released. (you can show NV having a slight DX11 advantage wtih AMD taking small wins in most games using DX12 or Vulcan.)
 
jwcalla said:
When nvidia releases their new round of cards they're going to fly off the shelves.
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Yup.

And depending on performance and the cost and availability of G-Sync HDR/FreeSync2 monitors with the specs I'm looking for as well as VR HMD kits, I might even buy one.

Chances that AMD will have something available for purchase worth upgrading to from a 1080Ti before/by then?
 
jwcalla said:
When nvidia releases their new round of cards they're going to fly off the shelves.
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The moral dilemma has fallen through multiple times with AMD already.
People who already bought a GPU and aren't shopping for one, or were planning to buy AMD anyway, will talk about a boycott. The fact of the matter is, 'supporting the underdog' is only a thing when the underdog has good products on the market. In which case you were probably going to buy them anyway.

Oh wow, the guy who already owned a full AMD rig is boycotting Nvidia because of GPP? Way to stick it to the man.

It's all just grand standing and flag waving. Props to anyone who actually boycotts Nvidia, by not buying an Nvidia GPU when they were originally going to. You are a stronger person than I.
 
FearTheCow said:
I love how the argument being made that this anti competitive program is a good thing is because Nvidia GPU's are faster.
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Haha. That was my whole point as well. Doesn’t matter what card you have in your rig. KYLE clearly pointed out that not being in GPP program will put partners who don’t join at significant disadvantage and in return have to give up their product branding. People do anything to support their own bias. We see it in politics and we see it intel vs amd and Nvidia vs amd fanboy camps.
 
FearTheCow said:
I love how the argument being made that this anti competitive program is a good thing is because Nvidia GPU's are faster.
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I don't think the outrage over this is authentic. Maybe people just like giving the appearance about how anti-monopoly they are, but are they really?

Over the years I've had discussions here about this monopoly and that monopoly that have been entrenched in the PC gaming world and -- as far as I can see -- as long as a monopoly does not involve nvidia, nobody has a problem with it. Bring up the fact that Microsoft controls the PC gaming market and people simply will not entertain the possibility that that could be bad. Mention that it might be best if game developers used a cross-platform, open-standards API like OpenGL rather than a locked-down, proprietary, closed, 100%-controlled API like DirectX and forget it -- people will tell you over and over about how we need to stay the course rather than demand alternatives. Talk about how x86 (and hence, Intel) owns the consumer PC market and how there is no room for any other ISA, and mention how they refuse to license their tech to a company like nvidia so that they could compete in the APU / IGP market, and there's all kinds of excuses. Apparently what Intel does is not "anti-competitive".

But as soon as nvidia does something "anti-competitive"... holy hell, out comes the outrage and calls for boycotts!

A little consistency is necessary to be taken seriously; am I wrong? When are the people who are always calling nvidia a big meaniehead for wanting to make money going to stand up and demand DirectX be open source and platform-independent?
 
jwcalla said:
I don't think the outrage over this is authentic. Maybe people just like giving the appearance about how anti-monopoly they are, but are they really?

Over the years I've had discussions here about this monopoly and that monopoly that have been entrenched in the PC gaming world and -- as far as I can see -- as long as a monopoly does not involve nvidia, nobody has a problem with it. Bring up the fact that Microsoft controls the PC gaming market and people simply will not entertain the possibility that that could be bad. Mention that it might be best if game developers used a cross-platform, open-standards API like OpenGL rather than a locked-down, proprietary, closed, 100%-controlled API like DirectX and forget it -- people will tell you over and over about how we need to stay the course rather than demand alternatives. Talk about how x86 (and hence, Intel) owns the consumer PC market and how there is no room for any other ISA, and mention how they refuse to license their tech to a company like nvidia so that they could compete in the APU / IGP market, and there's all kinds of excuses. Apparently what Intel does is not "anti-competitive".

But as soon as nvidia does something "anti-competitive"... holy hell, out comes the outrage and calls for boycotts!

A little consistency is necessary to be taken seriously; am I wrong? When are the people who are always calling nvidia a big meaniehead for wanting to make money going to stand up and demand DirectX be open source and platform-independent?
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Well that settles it. Nothing illegal going on here. You heard it from jwcalla first, all of us are just butthurt.
 
jwcalla said:
A little consistency is necessary to be taken seriously; am I wrong? When are the people who are always calling nvidia a big meaniehead for wanting to make money going to stand up and demand DirectX be open source and platform-independent?
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Vulcan

Clearly there are members of the gaming industry that have 100% have told MS to stick it.

Yep as consumers we need to stop buying into closed source APIs. DirectX at least is open in that almost anyone can make compliant hardware so while it still tends to lock things into windows at least they aren't locking hardware MFGs. Its not quite as bad as what NV does with things like Physx.

Yes NV is wrong on a ton of crap they are in general an evil company. NV is the new MS. MS used to be pure evil, these days they are like Scott (Doctor Evils Son) level of evil.
 
jwcalla said:
Well that settles it. Kyle Bennett knows of a law that's been broken that nvidia lawyers don't know about yet. You would think those lawyers would be trained in law or something.
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One your assuming lawyers run Nvidia. Which they do not. If the CEO of Nvidia does something against advice the lawyers are bound by oath to shut their flaps about it.

Two your assuming that all lawyers (and thus the ones working for NV) are never willing to play in grey and perhaps even completely illegal things.

Three even assuming no lawyer would ever suggest or fail to council against a course of action that was illegal, they are still people and make errors, false assumptions or simply read a law in away different then a judge will later. (plenty of lawyers have argued faulty legal stances while having complete faith their arguments... that later turn out to be deemed illegal... in this case what they are doing isn't spelled out in anti competition laws that I know of exactly, but their wording and instance case is close enough that a judge would very likely rule them = setting precedent.)
Intel as an example argued for a long time that their rebate program was different from their right up cash for exclusivity deals, multiple judges ruled the worded was close enough and had the same intent. That doesn't mean the Intel Lawyers that argued a proven illegal case where deemed to be unethical and disbarred. ( they where simply wrong )

Four civil and criminal law are not the same thing. Where a lawyer may be bound by oath and codes of conduct to not engage or endorse criminal behaviour such codes are far fuzzier when it comes to civil actions. Yes lawyers all the time suggest to their large corporate and rich clients that the best way to win an argument is to simply pile on, drag things out and make things so costly for the other side that they settle for far more favorable terms.

My point is just being a lawyer doesn't make anyone a super hero crusader of justice. lol
Do you think the 70s-80s era stories of IBM showing up to settlement hearings/meetings with an army of 30+ lawyers in thousand dollar suits are hyperbole.

I have no idea what the people in Nvidias legal team are like... or what they are willing or not willing to do for their clients. I mean perhaps they are the type of lawyers that work all day for the man and all night for free over turning death row convictions.... but I sort of doubt it.
 
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jwcalla said:
Well that settles it. Kyle Bennett knows of a law that's been broken that nvidia lawyers don't know about yet. You would think those lawyers would be trained in law or something.
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Well other companies have gotten in shit that were bigger than nvidia! Did they not have laywers? Also your directx point, does microsoft block other API from windows? Does Vulkan not work on windows? DId OpenGL not work on windows? Does ASUS, MSI, Gigabyte, EVGA make xbox's? ROFL

What if Nvidia knows that trouble is worth it and the profits from this would be more than the fine they get if that ever happens!

Take of the fanboy glasses and then have an objective conversation. You sound line no company has ever made a mistake that had a lawyers. common MAN!
 
d8lock said:
With logic like that, you'd think Intel had no lawyers.
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ROFL! I was about edit my post and add that as well but I saw yours. HAHA. Yea every company with lawyers never gets in trouble by his logic! As I said before people will say anything to support their own bias!
 
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