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Unlike Ubuntu?
I think you missed the part where I said, "No, I don't". Though you're also proving my point on how dangerous it is for companies to collect telemetry data.
Honestly, I don't remember if that was real or fake. Games made in the 80's and early 90's can't be patched and had to be made mostly perfect, but it goes to show that you can write mostly working code without releasing it with known bugs. Which is how software development works today. Release the product with manageable bugs.
Good thing I don't own a relatively modern car. If I did, I'd remove the ability to phone home.
That's all on good faith without source code. And I'm not a man of faith.
I would still rather have it turned off. I'm not getting paid to use my system resources to benefit them.
No, Ubuntu now has Telemetry data collecting. So I use Linux Mint.
I was actually referring to the comment about "not bricking BIOS" which Ubuntu was recently in the news for doing.
Yep, the guy is full of it. Service Packs were a big rollup of patches. These "Feature Updates" in 10 are a full install that make an attempt at bringing over your installed programs and settings. GPOs that had previously given the user better control over windows have often been removed, or still exist but ignored by the OS. Third party tweaks and utilities to block telemetry or control updates are removed. But hey, at least Candy Crush is back.
^^^ Well, you can get enough data from the other people so you won't need mine
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Games in the 80's and 90's were written by a couple of developers and *do* have bugs (don't be naive). Console developers had the knowledge they were running on a single and unified device. Windows runs on millions if not billions of different hardware configurations. It would literally be impossible to do exhaustive testing on every permutation. They would never ship another version of Windows if they had to do that. Modern software is so ridiculously complicated (to a fault), but it's what produces the seamless end-user experience that people are used to.
It benefits you and everyone else who use that service/product to have diagnostic telemetry sent back to the developers.
Do you look up the source code for the firmware on all of your hardware? The microcode in your processor? No? But you trust them enough to use their hardware. Do you look at the source code for the traffic lights on the roads you drive on or the airplane you fly in? Where is the line drawn? Who can you trust?
You agreed to the EULA, telemetry is getting sent (to diagnose issues and improve the product). If you don't like it then don't buy or use any internet connected service/application. Some developers give the option to opt out and I think their "kindness" is stupid. I wouldn't give that option to opt-out because users are dumb and don't know any better. The 0.001% of people that don't want telemetry sent (and actually read the EULA) can ask for a refund and go back to Linux
If your programs and settings are getting overwritten that is a *bug* and you should file feedback so Microsoft can diagnose the issue. Instead of whining and bitching on the internet (which solves... nothing).
I've never hit this issue, but I don't doubt other people have. And instead of bitching and moaning on the internet you can file feedback and help make everyone's lives better.
Since when does critical thinking require proof? Critical thinking requires reasoning. No, I don't have proof, but here's my reasoning:
Exactly. I get sick of everyone presenting this in black and white terms. Telemetry always on for everything or everything goes to hell! Having an "opt out" option is impossible, don't you see!?^^^ Well, you can get enough data from the other people so you won't need mine
That's a perfect analogy honestly. Those are all important things. We generally trust that software. I do NOT trust that software to automatically update. Would anyone in this forum let their BIOS automatically receive every update, completely trusting it? I sure as hell wouldn't. I feel like a similar level of protection should be had for the OS, though obviously some people disagree.
It's rare but it does happen if you ever find a dell xps one 2710 series do not put windows 10 on it, bricks it every time.
It is when you have slow capped internet and can't turn it off.
I think you have your mind made up on this one and aren't interested in analyzing it, but just in case, let's look at this. First off, I never said they're stealing the data, I would imagine whatever they're doing is well covered under the EULA.
Turning off anything is windows that has to do with telemetry means nothing. I don't trust them not to sell anything. There is zero reason they even need to do any of it. It certainly didn't help in the making of 8, 8.1, and 10.....
Nice, you're arguing a point I'm not making, nor did I ever say. I said they sell your data, it's open to interpretation how much of it. I do NOT think they are selling your bank account numbers and probably have a flag to tell when data is encrypted for passwords. I'm saying they probably scan what pages you go to, words you type on a search engine and sell that data that matches keywords they have in their system or whatever algorithm they use to sell to various advertisers.
The problem is it's not open source. So realistically they could be mining ALL info for the government. I mean who really knows what they are gathering.
Proof of what on the media?
I'd say that's much more in "who knows" territory. It could be they don't go that far, or you could be completely right. I was contending more that I'm finding it difficult not to imagine a scenario where they are selling a portion of your data to advertisers considering how they say outright that they will target ads to you when the default telemetry is enabled.
