Yes, because they only use gaming on video cards. I absoultely don't have an Asus mobo that was one of the last amd 970 chipset based boards made by them (with a m.2 and usb3.1 no less) that has the name "970 Pro Gaming Aura".
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Yes, because they only use gaming on video cards. I absoultely don't have an Asus mobo that was one of the last amd 970 chipset based boards made by them (with a m.2 and usb3.1 no less) that has the name "970 Pro Gaming Aura".
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Remember when the HD5*** series came out? nVidia's entire line upto but not including the GTX295 went EOL.... rendered obsolete. nVidia had nothing for six months til the gtx 480 came out ....which set the benchmark for hot, loud and power hungry gpus [nVidia fanbois were scarred for life by the experience!].
I'm quite sure nVidia are not comfortable with AMDs apu range nor of course Intel's with Vega graphics. But what else has got them worried?
Oh and just as an AIB can sign on to GPP they can sign off just as quick ....and no doubt do it with a big grin if AMD have something as market changing in the GPU market as Ryzen was in the CPU market.
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I like that you remember this as I was about to post on it. If AMD does come out with a game changer it might be enough for them to dump GPP, but I don't think so. I think by them they will be creating new branding for AMD and simply roll with it.
I believe Navi and their upcoming die shrink have NV more concerned then most seem to think.
Vega doesn't get a lot of praise from gamers... but as Kyle has shown recently with his reviews of newer third party vega cards. They stand pretty much = to the 1080/1070. The main issues are they draw a bit to much power and although they have more compute a few other things seem to hold them back a bit. The 7nm shrink is going to hurt NV where the real cash is right now in the mining and compute fields. If 7nm is a power sipper as you would expect from a second spin die shrink AMD will be even more popular in those markets.
However IMO what may have emboldened NV to roll the dice on the at best semi legal contracts... could be the fear of Navi. It sounds like Navi has likely already tapped out and is still set for a summer launch for machine learning and all that high end cheese. Its very possible navi will give NVs volta some serious competition in that market... and the Vega Die shrink stock could be more free to flood the gaming markets. A die shrunk vega with a few slight improvements like adding Zens infinity fabric tech could easily hit 20-30% better performance, at 20-30% less power draw. At that point NV would have to start using Voltas in gaming cards to keep the crown... and I would think supply would be an issue, and they would start cannibalising their much more profitable current Volta sales.
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I believe that I've heard the line for the last five years worth of releases.
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Here's the thing.
I don't think AMD is going to have a 'good' card for at least two years. Expect more disappointing polaris-type cards and complete failures like Vega for a while.
I do think AMD will come out with great competitive cards eventually, but it's just got to get over Raja's odyssey, which will take a while.
I don't think AMD is going to have a 'good' card for at least two years. Expect more disappointing polaris-type cards and complete failures like Vega for a while.
I do think AMD will come out with great competitive cards eventually, but it's just got to get over Raja's odyssey, which will take a while.
AMD's capability to out compete Nvidia in the laptop market is rapidly coming to the forefront with their APUs and mobile Vega, as well their deal with Intel. These Nvidia branding shenanigans are going to hurt AMD's capability to compete. No future ROG, MSI Gaming, or AORUS, Ryzen+AMD GPU or APU laptops? The whole thing is ludicrous. I wonder if companies like Dell and Acer will go along with this.
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They'd certainly go along with AMD and Intel charging a premium for PCIe slots or designing GPUs with X86 memory controllers.
At this point I would laugh if AMD and Intel got together to abandon the PCIe slot for a proprietary interconnect for graphics cards, Nvidia excluded altogether. Nvidia can have their exclusive club of gaming branding for video cards that can only be used on old motherboards.
Not sure AMD would go in for that. AMD with all the screwing over they have been on the end of over the years is a big supporter of open standards with good reason.
I'm sure AMD would prefer Intel stick to including open standard slots any company can come along and plug into.
As Niemöller wrote in a famous poem... First they came for the...
I guess in this case it would be
First they came for Nvidia, and I did
not speak out -
Because I hate Nvidia.
Then they came for me -
and it was tuff tittes.
fail to see why they want the Gaming segment anyways, all the cards are going to Miners..gaming segment is going to be a turd if they don't start getting GPU's to gamers at MSRP
if say Asus for example has to make an nvidia gaming only "gaming" line couldn't they just leave the strix line nvidia only and make a new "multimedia" or some other name line of cards with another name?
personally i think the only reason most people buy "gaming cards" is because gaming is slapped on everything these days, i just want something with a nice quiet cooler better than the reference blower style garbage..care less who they market it towards
if say Asus for example has to make an nvidia gaming only "gaming" line couldn't they just leave the strix line nvidia only and make a new "multimedia" or some other name line of cards with another name?
personally i think the only reason most people buy "gaming cards" is because gaming is slapped on everything these days, i just want something with a nice quiet cooler better than the reference blower style garbage..care less who they market it towards
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Are any of these AIB brands copyrighted? May have missed it in the discussion. Copyright violations could apply.
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Not sure how- Nvidia isn't using the brands directly, they're providing incentives for AIBs to align their gaming brands exclusively with Nvidia. This is still the AIB's choice to receive the incentives and realign their own brands where needed.
You think Intel and AMD would band together to adandon ..... the ATX standard? or the PCIe standard?
Yea no.
They might come up with something proprietary, but I don't see them dumping an industry standard.
Did I ever say I thought they would abandon anything?
Was this not you?
Or do you frequently amuse yourself by imagining potential situations, (and telling others of them), that you don't think would ever happen?
Is that what you were doing here?
Man, there is no way anyone would every go to fucking Venus, but it'd be funny as hell if someone did .......
It's a common theory that's been kicked around ever since Intel announced their collaboration with AMD. It's something I have been thinking they should do, instead of something I think they would do. I assume by your reaction, you've never contemplated something a company or anyone should do that you know they probably would never do.
Two issues, the first I'll go along with no problem, speculation on what companies may or may not do is a common enough past time and I sure shouldn't try to fault you for that alone. Nor should I fault you for repeating what others have pulled out of their crystal ball.
So it's just the idea that they would collaborate along these lines that I find problem with and really doubt. A can see them getting together on a new card. I could see them working on a future card following proposing to a standards board that they modify or accept a new standard, PCI-AI (AMD-Intel), could be right around the corner.
So, in light of your explanation and thinking through it, I have to admit that something along these lines are possible, and that it was only your wording that drew my attention to what sounded like a real improbability.
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On the subject of an AMD-Intel alliance to develop a standard separate from that of PCIe, I have but to only mention IBMs Micro Channel architecture.
A bit of a misunderstanding on that user's part. They will always be able to sell AMD cards, however, they cannot be sold through the most prominent and profitable brands.
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You work for MSI? Is that an official statement? Because to me that reads like they are dropping AMD. I could be entirely wrong, but that's what it sounds like.
Doesn't sound like they are dropping AMD to me, sounds like they are justifying removing AMD from their gaming lineup (brand) per the GPP and defending it as such.
I get that as well, but when the question was asked if they would be dropping AMD, and their answer was "if there performance is on par" it's suspect to me. Since their first reply said it wasn't on par, when that is blatantly false, as most laptops come with a 1060, and the 580 is right there.
Umm, the reply was "if there performance is up par with performance", not "on par".
I can't say I have ever heard someone say "up par with performance", but I think it's safer to think that he forgot a comma, then misspelled on as up. Autocorrect shouldn't have done that either.
So what does it mean to you if you add that comma like this?
"If it's up, par with performance" which I interpret as saying, if AMD is matching NVidia in performance, then "MSI will definitely be able to do so", as in, and here I am really guessing, "use AMD", or per the actual question, "drop AMD"?
Frankly, I find the exchange to hard to follow, the typos, incomplete sentences, plane poor grammar. Before I could read that exchange and make a claim on MSI's part of the conversation, I'd have to ask them some clarifying questions first. And I don't think I would expect them to be all that clarifying in their replies. Actually I'd be perfectly unsurprised if they replied in a very unclear manner.
This MSI guy probably has his ass in a tight crack for these comments right now.
Of course Variant didn't source this so we don't know where it was posted or who these people actually are, unless I just failed to spot that info.
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IdiotInCharge
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Sounds like standard broken English to me, which means that it can mean whatever they want it to mean...
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Broken Engrish on purpose to appear to answer the question but as vaguely as possible.
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Sounds about right to me!
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AFAIC it's probably better for the industry if motheboard makers are shut out of making any GPUs all together. They never used to make them, then they muscled their way in at the expense of the existing specialized graphics card manufacturers. There are plenty of board partners on both sides to provide more than enough choice.
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That sub is always heavily censored and the AMD sub is filled with nvidia trolls with seemingly free reign.
Here is another article on the topic. Someone brought up the Flounders Edition cards/program started last year being a precursor for things to come. I never thought of that or connected the dots but that does make sense. I said when nvidia first released those cards that they were hurting their AIB partners by skimming the cream and giving the partners the scraps. It makes sense that it was a subtle jab at them and a warning of things to come if they didn't get on their knees:
https://wccftech.com/nvidia-gpp-ignites-uproar-calls-for-boycott-among-pc-gamers/
I dont think "Nvidia" per se, but one reddit moderator doing his thing. If anyone has been to Nvidias Geforce forums they would know that tons of abuse and conspiracy theories worse than GPP have been hurled at Nvidia over the years with mods doing absolutely nothing.
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Just saw Kyle on the full nerd podcast. Made me smile to see him and Gordon Mah Ung together.
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No one there has any affiliation with Nvidia. I was offered a mod spot there last year. In fact I was approached about becoming head mod prior to that, when they cleaned house. Turned both down, obviously.
In their defense, most of the tech subreddits have begged me to be a mod at some point or another.
Interesting how every other subreddit is overflowing with GPP posts, articles/self posts and all, and yet the Nvidia subreddit just so happens to be filtering it.
What an incredibly stupid mistake. Even if their excuse is legit, it looks like censorship. It's the ONE SUBREDDIT where GPP posts should be encouraged the most. They must know this looks really bad for them.
Update: They stickied a megathread.
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