Guys let's support AMD gpu, and boycott Nvidia, Asus, Gigabyte, MSI

For the most part, those who feel strongly enough about this new bit of information - they are already dug in hard on one side or the other, and already do only support their team.

I actually pulled my Titan Xp with custom AIO for my Fury Pro Duo (I didn't both taking jump RX Vega 64 as its not faster than the Pro Duo 8MB) - For the games I play (CoD WWII, BF1,2,4 mostly), I just couldn't keep from putting the Titan Xp back in my main gaming PC though - The performance difference was too much, and for me, its all about low latency and lots of frames each second.

AMD simply had no choice but to step the game up to get the top end gamers using their cards (I say this as a bit of AMD fan too) - Even the mainstream, figure out a way then if your AMD to get their cards into the hands of gamers (maybe follow the lead of Nvidia a bit here in making a miners only card).

R_Type said:

Or turning that around for a second, how do you respond to one corporation trying to become a monopolist by means other than merits of its products? Be angry and keep buying? Do you respond at all?

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You missed the point where I said it was fair to be critical of NVIDIA's GPP. You also seem to miss the point of the article Kyle did about the GPP. The program is designed to increase NVIDIA's marketshare at AMD's expense. NVIDIA has flat been called out on that. I think it's bullshit and at this point, I think everything's been said that needs to be said based on the information we have now about the program. I think it's important for the rest of the industry and websites such as this one to call them out on their bullshit and that's exactly what Kyle did.

All that said, I'd still buy NVIDIA at this point because of the disparate performance between the two brands top offerings. Right now, the AMD Vega 64 barely matches a two year old GTX 1080. Since then, the GTX 1080Ti, Titan XP, and Titan V have all come out. Even if you take the Titan V out of the equation for not being a gaming card, AMD is just too far behind. I game at 4K and need all the performance I can get. So the short answer to your question is: I'll be angry and keep buying NVIDIA cards. I'll be much less angry playing my games at higher frame rates than I would buying a flagship card that only matched it's competition's midrange offering. Again, as I said in the very post you quoted, AMD would be just as bad as NVIDIA if it could get away with it. I don't anthropomorphize companies and treat NVIDIA like it's inherently more evil than any other business. I don't view AMD as some underdog company you can't help but root for after watching them do shit in an 80's music montage.

These companies are out to make money. They are beholden to shareholders first, and ethics barely factor into the equation. Again, AMD would be as bad as NVIDIA if it could get away with it because it's done so in the past. They were just as guilty of using driver optimizations to make themselves look better in benchmarks just as NVIDIA did. AMD charged $1,000 for CPUs when it had processors that were faster than Intel's offerings. It's released products and ignored flaws with those products. It's had major issues that went unfixed for years. AMD isn't less evil than NVIDIA. AMD is't as good at business as NVIDIA. It's that simple.

I won't support a company if I truly find their behavior appalling. Again, AMD doesn't have the clout to do this type of shit but if it did, I think they might very well be as bad. History has shown us that AMD isn't above this type of crap either. This isn't the same thing as me refusing to eat at Taco Cabana or refusing to support Springfield Armory or Rock River Arms.

My money goes to the best GPU at the time of my purchase. Back in May 2017 that was the 1080 Ti by a long shot at the $640 I got it for. Card since has doubled in value.

fail to see the point of this, ive wanted a vega 64 for freesync since release, and a year later I still cant find one remotely close to MSRP, ended up with a 1080, either AMD cant keep up with miners or has such terrible yields they cant keep anything on the shelf, right now its a buy what you can find in stock type market

IdiotInCharge said:

Sure! I was gaming on 386DX's. And I've had plenty of personal experience with GPU driver bugs and other issues from all vendors- though thankfully never made the mistake of attempting to game on a Matrox product .



The FX5900 was okay- a definite improvement over the FX5800 that birthed the 'leaf blower' cooler archetype. I went with ATi at that time, primarily because DX9 was written with the 9700Pro as its reference, and because that GPU was available early- upgraded from a Geforce 3!

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If IIRC the FX5900 sold more units than the 9700 and 9800 combined. I had one myself and IMO was a great card. I also had a Geforce 3 but upgraded to a geforce 4 before getting the 5900.

Putz said:

fail to see the point of this, ive wanted a vega 64 for freesync since release, and a year later I still cant find one remotely close to MSRP, ended up with a 1080, either AMD cant keep up with miners or has such terrible yields they cant keep anything on the shelf, right now its a buy what you can find in stock type market

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Scored a Vega frontier edition for $650. Will drive my freesync monitor at 1440p just fine. The deals are out there. Just have to be quick!

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I love that most of the people that say "well if AMD had a high end GPU" etc etc etc. And 80% f them are rocking a mid-tier card.

I'm sorry someone of you are just now waking up to the shady shit that NV does. It's a tough pill to swallow for some. I switched to ATI after the BS with 3dMark03. And the handful of times I thought of buying an Nvidia card, they sprung some anti-consumer shit to turn me off and keep me red.

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Its like AMD's mid tier cards suddenly can't run anything at 1080p. While the Ryzen 2200 and 2400G are the new savior of budget gaming somhow...

NV has the fastest overall card so all of their cards are better via trickle-down epeen-nomics.

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Its like AMD's mid tier cards suddenly can't run anything at 1080p. While the Ryzen 2200 and 2400G are the new savior of budget gaming somhow...

NV has the fastest overall card so all of their cards are better via trickle-down epeen-nomics.

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1080p is not typically the target for enthusiast gaming builds. Yeah, plenty of cards can handle 1080p just fine, but mid-tier products aren't really a good measuring stick for a company's technical capabilities.

If I'm wanting GTX 1080 performance or above, AMD doesn't really have anything for me. I really wish they did, because competition is good for the consumer.

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If IIRC the FX5900 sold more units than the 9700 and 9800 combined. I had one myself and IMO was a great card. I also had a Geforce 3 but upgraded to a geforce 4 before getting the 5900.

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During this time, many people bought GeForce cards due to brand recognition. Also, the perception (not entirely unfounded) was that ATi drivers weren't as good as NVIDIA's drivers and many people opted for NVIDIA options for that reason.

What I remember from the Geforce FX fiasco-

Nvidia implemented a 16bit full-speed/32bit half-speed shader architecture, which conformed to DX9 spec, while ATi implemented a 24bit full-speed architecture. The theory for Nvidia's decision was that game designers would be frugal with 32bit shaders and run almost everything at 16bit, while ATi's was that 32bit precision wasn't needed and 24bit was enough.

In the end, game developers tended toward laziness and either used 24bit or 32bit shaders, running at full-speed on ATi parts and half-speed on Nvidia parts. There was nothing inherently wrong with Nvidia's design.

when cards that should be under $200, are going for $400+, I will play on my PS4

I find it funny how many say AMD is not competitive right now and thats just not right. Now in the 4K resolution you have a point as a 1080ti is superior to a Vega 64 by quite a bit. However 95% of the world is not running that resolution, most are at 1080p. Nvidia may be more power efficient but few really give a shit about that, so at 1080p either company works just fine for anything you need so it comes down to price and more often then not AMD is usually cheaper. But if someone tries looking around at a hardware/forum site what they will see is AMD suxs cause they dont have the fastest Halo card and most take that to mean AMD is inferior and they should only look to Nvidia. Biggest problem AMD faces is people automatically go for the names they recognize and Intel and Nvidia have cornered that and hell lately Nvidia is trying to tighten their grasp even more. I think Nvidia has recognized the weakness of AMD and that is visibility and without AMD making a serious push there I doubt they will ever claw themselves up to a serious % of the market. Marketing is far more important then most people realize.

I'm just hoping my Vega card will get a magical driver to unleash its performance since on paper it looks good.

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I think Nvidia has recognized the weakness of AMD and that is visibility and without AMD making a serious push there I doubt they will ever claw themselves up to a serious % of the market.

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AMD's weakness is their product line.

And, you know, price/availability:


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If you wanted a 6GB+ midrange GPU from either.

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And, you know, price/availability:
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If you wanted a 6GB+ midrange GPU from either.

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To be fair, Amazon was selling MSI RX580 8G V1 for $350 according to NowInStock, though to your point, there is more GTX 1060 6B version between $300-$350 range now according to NowInStock, so it is easier to find a GTX 1060 around $300-350 price range than a RX580 for $350. The crazier thing is, a lot of RX580 is still going above $400 according to NowInStock.

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To be fair, Amazon was selling MSI RX580 8G V1 for $350 according to NowInStock, though to your point, there is more GTX 1060 6B version between $300-$350 range now according to NowInStock, so it is easier to find a GTX 1060 around $300-350 price range than a RX580 for $350. The crazier thing is, a lot of RX580 is still going above $400 according to NowInStock.

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And if the RX580 8GB cards were around US$200 like they should be by now, I'd own one for my Linux desktop. Even has a FreeSync monitor. But that system has a well-functioning GTX970 in it right now that can even play games on Linux like Shadow of Mordor, so I'm not in a hurry and not interested in competing with miners for cards.

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And if the RX580 8GB cards were around US$200 like they should be by now, I'd own one for my Linux desktop. Even has a FreeSync monitor. But that system has a well-functioning GTX970 in it right now that can even play games on Linux like Shadow of Mordor, so I'm not in a hurry and not interested in competing with miners for cards.

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Indeed, RX580 at $200 will a great buy for a mainstream card, but it was still a good buy for $220. I do find the RX570 to be the better buy for a mainstream card if you game at 1080p.

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Indeed, RX580 at $200 will a great buy for a mainstream card, but it was still a good buy for $220. I do find the RX570 to be the better buy for a mainstream card if you game at 1080p.

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I was just looking for 6GB+ cards; that means 8GB for the RX570/RX580, and there apparently aren't any cheaper RX570 8GB cards .

[otherwise I agree!]

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I was just looking for 6GB+ cards; that means 8GB for the RX570/RX580, and there apparently aren't any cheaper RX570 8GB cards .

[otherwise I agree!]

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Oh yea, the pricing is out of whack now for both sides, took me days to finally manage to snagged MSI Gaming X GTX1080 at $600.

Wonder since this news has been out there if Steam has seen any change in the AMD vs Nvidia cards in their metrics (percent systems using AMD/Nvidia cards)?

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To be fair, Amazon was selling MSI RX580 8G V1 for $350 according to NowInStock, though to your point, there is more GTX 1060 6B version between $300-$350 range now according to NowInStock, so it is easier to find a GTX 1060 around $300-350 price range than a RX580 for $350. The crazier thing is, a lot of RX580 is still going above $400 according to NowInStock.

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Is that close to MSRP on both sides? I thought the prices were ridiculous regardless of brand in late 2017 early 2018 (the same in late 2013/early 2014) The crypto craze has subsided by a large margin. Though from what I heard AMD didn't raise or make more per gpu from the crypto craze, They didn't raise prices on gamers it was the retailers or secondary market.

Also forget what I said in my first post people are really entrenched in what brand they get. I don't understand the Ford vs Chevy people either. I've had and supported plenty of the Quadro cards for the engineers at work, worked fine for everyone running a non linux OS.

We ordered what was best for our needs. If it's close we'd nudge them in the direction of the least worst assh company. Intel has been the worst but we always and still bought them up until 2017 for our servers, no one had a datacenter built on AMD like ever. AMD never was considered but in 2018 we are actually going to order AMD based servers.

I have been reading a lot about this and Kyle's article over the last few days, as unethical as it may be. Is it illegal? Wouldn't it be fairly easy to create different branding for the different cards?

What's stopping MSI from launching Gaming-N and Gaming-A series cards?

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Is that close to MSRP on both sides? I thought the prices were ridiculous regardless of brand in late 2017 early 2018 (the same in late 2013/early 2014) The crypto craze has subsided by a large margin. Though from what I heard AMD didn't raise or make more per gpu from the crypto craze, They didn't raise prices on gamers it was the retailers or secondary market.

Also forget what I said in my first post people are really entrenched in what brand they get. I don't understand the Ford vs Chevy people either. I've had and supported plenty of the Quadro cards for the engineers at work, worked fine for everyone running a non linux OS.

We ordered what was best for our needs. If it's close we'd nudge them in the direction of the least worst assh company. Intel has been the worst but we always and still bought them up until 2017 for our servers, no one had a datacenter built on AMD like ever. AMD never was considered but in 2018 we are actually going to order AMD based servers.

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Nope, RX 580 MRSP is $229 while GTX1060 is $299, it is closer for Nvidia but AMD still has a long way to go. Well I mean a person is more than likely to buy the same brand again if their experience with it is pleasant, just how a lot people are wired.

Ieldra said:

I have been reading a lot about this and Kyle's article over the last few days, as unethical as it may be. Is it illegal? Wouldn't it be fairly easy to create different branding for the different cards?

What's stopping MSI from launching Gaming-N and Gaming-A series cards?

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Long time no see Leldra. I was thinking the same thing... guess its the marketing dollars.

I don't support NVIDIA's GPP.

My last AMD card was a Radeon HD 7770, the drivers are a bloody nightmare with blue screen of death.

My last purchase was to replace a NVS 310 in a HP Z220 SFF, which had a limited power supply at 230 watt. The GT 1030 was a perfect fit. I rarely had issues with NVIDIA drivers.

At the end, I buy what works. Can't say I care for the GPU market at the moment.

None of them will be getting any of my money for a long time. I'm broke, and can't afford a luxury like an upgraded video card!

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You missed the point where I said it was fair to be critical of NVIDIA's GPP. You also seem to miss the point of the article Kyle did about the GPP. The program is designed to increase NVIDIA's marketshare at AMD's expense. NVIDIA has flat been called out on that. I think it's bullshit and at this point, I think everything's been said that needs to be said based on the information we have now about the program. I think it's important for the rest of the industry and websites such as this one to call them out on their bullshit and that's exactly what Kyle did.

All that said, I'd still buy NVIDIA at this point because of the disparate performance between the two brands top offerings. Right now, the AMD Vega 64 barely matches a two year old GTX 1080. Since then, the GTX 1080Ti, Titan XP, and Titan V have all come out. Even if you take the Titan V out of the equation for not being a gaming card, AMD is just too far behind. I game at 4K and need all the performance I can get. So the short answer to your question is: I'll be angry and keep buying NVIDIA cards. I'll be much less angry playing my games at higher frame rates than I would buying a flagship card that only matched it's competition's midrange offering. Again, as I said in the very post you quoted, AMD would be just as bad as NVIDIA if it could get away with it. I don't anthropomorphize companies and treat NVIDIA like it's inherently more evil than any other business. I don't view AMD as some underdog company you can't help but root for after watching them do shit in an 80's music montage.

These companies are out to make money. They are beholden to shareholders first, and ethics barely factor into the equation. Again, AMD would be as bad as NVIDIA if it could get away with it because it's done so in the past. They were just as guilty of using driver optimizations to make themselves look better in benchmarks just as NVIDIA did. AMD charged $1,000 for CPUs when it had processors that were faster than Intel's offerings. It's released products and ignored flaws with those products. It's had major issues that went unfixed for years. AMD isn't less evil than NVIDIA. AMD is't as good at business as NVIDIA. It's that simple.

I won't support a company if I truly find their behavior appalling. Again, AMD doesn't have the clout to do this type of shit but if it did, I think they might very well be as bad. History has shown us that AMD isn't above this type of crap either. This isn't the same thing as me refusing to eat at Taco Cabana or refusing to support Springfield Armory or Rock River Arms.

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Alright I'll hold my hands up and admit I didn't thoroughly read the posts, guilty of some speed skimming.

Fair enough if you effectively have one supplier then you are stuck with said supplier.

Edit: I fully believed Kyle from the first article, he's thoroughly earned his journalistic stripes so I listen to him. The 2nd article/snippet just cements that. It's a manure sandwhich and we will all have to take a bite. Not just that but the truly *deafening* silence from .... all the other tech sites??? Has made me seriously lose respect for them. They stay schtum and no boats get rocked. Way to chicken out guys. I used to really respect anandtech and techreport in particular but this is really sad to see. They'll pipe up in time but only when more poop hits more fans.

I was going to add - but deleted for a nice concise read - that Jensen started nvidia and runs nvidia to this day. He's a genius engineer and equally if not more so a genius businessman. There is a lot to admire there with the products, execution, the thriving compute market they have created and dominated alone and all the smart business decisions the company has taken all in the last 10 years. If after believing the TSMC engineers pie-in-the-sky promises on their upcoming 40nm process all those years ago, your next biggest detraction contains the words 'wood screws' then you're doing some pretty amazing work. However the man's shenangians rap sheet is as long as your arm. At any point he feels he can get away with it he tries the milking antics once more. Pricing, market manipulation, squeezing AIBs, putting an AIB out of business even. Again though that's a sawwy businessman at work and in theory you should 'make hay while the sun shines' but it is a bit of a leap to say it's an automatic response by all corporations. Not all of them will go that extra mile. He will, always has and always will. I'm not saying AMD wouldn't if it could, it's a 50/50 shot, however we know and have always *known* Jensen is an asshat towards the consumer, we do not know yet if Lisa Su is the same. Past and future AMD leaders notwithstanding.

On a broader note and I'd like to stress this isn't aimed at you, the sucker punch is that when we were in a competitive market for cards from top to bottom, that's a 6 year period let's say, Nvidia was always the top dog regardless. Because a huge rump of people buy nvidia regardless. You can say drivers and such and this is the [H] and people wasted money on multi-gpu AMD setups that newer delivered and burned fingers rightly linger in the collective memories here. In more plain Jane market segments for every person who cited better drivers for going team green I'll bet my fingers and toes there were 3 more who bought into the CUDA and physx future that amounted to absolutely nothing. And then we have all the collective hand wringing and pearl clutching from the folks who keep dipping their hands into the nvidia cookey jar, and will then scurry back to dip some more when this has died down and even when AMD is competitive again. Personally I think they will be again in the future, they kicked off Zen development 4+ years ago and the cash wasn't their to replace GCN as well. So they warmed it over on the cheap 17 times with bits and bobs and this and that and here we are with the non-event that is Polaris. Ironically I reckon they spent a bunch of money making Vega, which was just the biggest letdown and the guy in charge of that rightly got the chop.

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Edit: I fully believed Kyle from the first article, he's thoroughly earned his journalistic stripes so I listen to him. The 2nd article/snippet just cements that. It's a manure sandwhich and we will all have to take a bite. Not just that but the truly *deafening* silence from .... all the other tech sites??? Has made me seriously lose respect for them. They stay schtum and no boats get rocked. Way to chicken out guys. I used to really respect anandtech and techreport in particular but this is really sad to see. They'll pipe up in time but only when more poop hits more fans.

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Not everybody has access to the document and the sources Kyle has to confirm the document (props for him to come forward with this!). I prefer a site to zip it than to parrot every fart in the wind (see videocardz and the likes).

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Not all of them will go that extra mile. He will, always has and always will. I'm not saying AMD wouldn't if it could, it's a 50/50 shot, however we know and have always *known* Jensen is an asshat towards the consumer, we do not know yet if Lisa Su is the same. Past and future AMD leaders notwithstanding.

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You're gullible. A business is a business not a charity, companies are ruthless when it comes to their bottom lines. Doesn't matter if your name is Nvidia, Intel, AMD, Samsung or Apple. You want to outgrow in your respective market and distinguish yourself from the rest (hello GPP). AMD is in this position because they are not competitive enough, no matter how you (or anyone else for that matter) spin it.

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we know and have always *known* Jensen is an asshat towards the consumer

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I don't care if he is a asshat. There are alot of those out there. He doesn't have to like me. All I give a shit is that his company makes good video cards that work and drivers that work to.

When AMD produces a single card 4k@60 ultra solution then i will buy. Until then, Nvidia, because my OC 1080Ti which gives me just that, will remain the company i buy from. I work hard for my money and im not going to waste it on "2nd or 3rd best"

Nothing that Nvidia is doing or has done in the past has prevented AMD from creating a high end card that doesn't require a nuclear plant to run and a cooler that hits aboslute zero in order to keep idle temps in the 60s. I've given AMD/ATI too much of my money and time to deal with their steaming hot garbage anymore.

AMD is no saint.

I was a strong supporter of AMD from my AMD 285 to my Fury X.

I was always 100% Nvidia before my AMD 285, since 3dfx days. The AMD 285, and Fury X really pleasantly surprised me.

I bought three Vega at launch, and those Vega cards and a combination of their shoddy launch drivers and marketing lies over the next three months destroyed just about every ounce of good will I had towards AMD. I sold the cards at a loss in disgust after about that amount of time.

I bought 1080ti cards and the “gaming experience” has been much better. Legit question, from a former AMD fan —- Can you fault the marketing, if it’s accurate?

I have to support the best bang for the buck unfortunately. Just the way life is. I eat at restaurants and have no idea the beliefs or intentions of the owners, but they serve great food.

You're gullible. A business is a business not a charity, companies are ruthless when it comes to their bottom lines. Doesn't matter if your name is Nvidia, Intel, AMD, Samsung or Apple. You want to outgrow in your respective market and distinguish yourself from the rest (hello GPP). AMD is in this position because they are not competitive enough, no matter how you (or anyone else for that matter) spin it.

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What is quoted is not an excuse for AMD failings. It isn't a spin on their failings. It wasn't intended to be that and after a re-read I can't see how it could be. It's a nit picking point to a post I was replying to, before you jumped in. Howewer I might not have explained myself enough there. Ok there are reasons why a corporation might not want to go 'that extra mile' if all the 'other' miles are carrying out normal business conduct; making profit to the best of your abilities. Let's say in this case that extra mile involves negative PR, legal grey areas and exploiting your positon vs your long term partners. These are 3 areas where if profit can still be extracted from them then astute business says extract the maximum profit possible, right? These are also 3 areas where negative consequences can be rendered, right? I'm sure the reasons why and the risks involved are clear to everyone at this point. Going back to the quote in question, I intended to state that party A would always be willing to cross into risky territory and that whether party B would also be willing is unknown. Any other possible and foreseeable meaning to that point is not intended. Use of that point to hook into other topics is not intended.

Since we all don't know, Kyle might since he has super secret docs, what GPP actually is or requires I will play devils advocate and just say its a shitty marketing practice. NV appears to want to put its supply and marketing dollars to higher end brands. Is it a Monopoly? No! Illegal? No!!! Again from what we, the reader, knows!

Will GPP make me choose to not buy an NV GPU? No. I look at the fastest GPU I can afford an purchase that one. AMD dropped the ball for years so NV and its AIB received my money since the 6XX series. I also never purchased based on an AIB brand. I don't care if my card carries ROG, Auros, or Gaming branding on the side. I simply buy off of performance and reviews.

So as it stands GPP means nothing to me. It is shitty a AIB can't brand cards how they choose under GPP but that is the cost of doing business. Maybe if AMD actually puts out a faster card they can leverage GPP to go away. As of now, NV has the power by offering the fastest products.

I will continue to buy Red or Green depending on who offers the fastest solution.

I'll keep boycotting AMD GPUs because of their incompetence, thankyouverymuch.

Some of you would make good whores, cause they are happy as long as they get paid, dont care what you do as long as they get what they want. You want performance but you dont care what a company does to do so, thats not a good thing. When you support a company with shady ethics you just encourage them to do even worse things and set yourself up for a monopoly that then screws you to the max. Now I currently own a 1080 but after all of this I wont be returning business to Nvidia and I have never been loyal to any one brand of video cards, had ATI, Matrox, Rendition and others. Now Nvidia has done things previously I didnt care for but not this unethical and now I feel I need to voice my opinion with my wallet. But if you support Nvidia then I dont want to see you complaining when video cards enthusiasts want are 1000 bucks or more.

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Some of you would make good whores, cause they are happy as long as they get paid, dont care what you do as long as they get what they want. You want performance but you dont care what a company does to do so, thats not a good thing. When you support a company with shady ethics you just encourage them to do even worse things and set yourself up for a monopoly that then screws you to the max. Now I currently own a 1080 but after all of this I wont be returning business to Nvidia and I have never been loyal to any one brand of video cards, had ATI, Matrox, Rendition and others. Now Nvidia has done things previously I didnt care for but not this unethical and now I feel I need to voice my opinion with my wallet. But if you support Nvidia then I dont want to see you complaining when video cards enthusiasts want are 1000 bucks or more.

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Some of us are realistic. You can claim the moral high ground all you want but the fact is that corporate greed is too prevalent to make boycotting every company that you don't agree with nearly impossible. Ethics only come into play for a company where it comes ot the lines drawn by the law. Outside of that, everything is fair game. Everything that's illegal is OK so long as executives are shielded from going to jail or the penalties are outweighed by the gains. We've already seen $1,000 graphics cards from NVIDIA so that ship sailed years ago with the original Titan. Why else do you think they brought out Titan cards that outmatched their "gaming" counterparts. It's a card that sits between the GeForce and Quadro lines, but trust me. It's for gamers who either have deep pockets or the occasional prosumer who uses computers for work and play.

AMD isn't the morally better company. It's not in a position to behave as NVIDIA does. You should vote with your wallet of course. How many people care enough to join you in solidarity and buy mediocre graphics cards? Not many. Most gamers are neither aware of the politics in the industry, nor do they care about them. Shit is done by every company in the industry that you wouldn't believe. Get pissed at NVIDIA while browsing on your iPhone. A product made by Foxconn, who is world renowned for being shitty and treating human like they are less than cattle. Oh, BTW, you know who Foxconn also builds for? ASUS, Intel, Dell, HP, etc. You'll find Foxconn parts on even more shit than that. They make crap that's likely in your car. Some people find Texas Instruments abhorrent because it was a defense contractor. Yet they enjoy audio on Texas Instruments DSPs and OP-AMPs. Ever buy a diamond ring or any diamond jewlery? Even if you are getting conflict free diamonds, you are helping to perpetuate one of the shadiest monopolies on the planet.

You see where I'm going with this? Where does it end? Believe it or not, morality is subjective. We typically have similar standards for it in the western world. However, class, wealth, economic conditions, and background all factor into what you consider morally acceptable. My point is that if you dig deep enough you'll find shit you don't like about almost any company. Bank of America was recalling loans that had been paid on for two decades all of the sudden because they could make more money repossessing homes and auctioning them off. This was done because it overextended itself in the market place by loaning more money than it had during the housing bubble. BoFA and other banks also got caught making sure that large payments hit an account first so that they could collect more overdraft fees on accounts. This cost people hundreds of dollars when they were already barely getting by. Springfield Armory and Rock River arms tried to sell out people's 2nd Amendment rights by support a shitty law because they got an exception to avoid the extra fees the state of IL was going to levy against the firearms industry. You look at the diamond industry, Bank of Fuck me in the Ass and other companies and the shit that NVIDIA's pulling doesn't seem all that bad. I boycot crap I don't like all the time. I won't use BoFA and I won't by Springfield Armory. I don't eat at Taco Cabana. What NVIDIA's doing barely gets on my radar, especially when it's the only game in town for high end GPUs right now. Intel's done worse and they are still selling the crap out of their products.

I agree that NVIDIA's GPP is bullshit. It's shady, but other companies have done the exact same thing by making retailers sign non-compete agreements and other horseshit contracts. This behavior is no where near as uncommon as you'd think. I'm not going to buy AMD graphics cards when it hasn't produced a product that's worth my hard earned money. AMD isn't some beacon of morality either. Its been caught doing most of the same shit NVIDIA has done over the years. Again, I'm not running a charity organization off my bank account. I'm not giving AMD a damn thing for a GPU I don't want.

Gideon said:

Some of you would make good whores, cause they are happy as long as they get paid, dont care what you do as long as they get what they want. You want performance but you dont care what a company does to do so, thats not a good thing. When you support a company with shady ethics you just encourage them to do even worse things and set yourself up for a monopoly that then screws you to the max. Now I currently own a 1080 but after all of this I wont be returning business to Nvidia and I have never been loyal to any one brand of video cards, had ATI, Matrox, Rendition and others. Now Nvidia has done things previously I didnt care for but not this unethical and now I feel I need to voice my opinion with my wallet. But if you support Nvidia then I dont want to see you complaining when video cards enthusiasts want are 1000 bucks or more.

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You must feel great calling people names who doesn't subscribe to your point of view. Let me ask you this, why should people support a company who isn't really competing at the moment? What is their incentive to do so?