NVIDIA TITAN V Video Card Gaming Review @ [H]

Pretty spanky GPU you got there.

3000 dollars, Yikes.......I think I'll sit this one out.
 
I still find it interesting they marketed the card as "not a gaming card" But the Titan moniker was supposed to be enthusiast level cards from GeForce. You would think if its supposed to be the workstation card it would run under the moniker of Quadro. I know it was supposed to bridge some gaps between the two but what would be the point of that?
Great Review Kyle probably one of the best and most in-depth reviews I've read in a long time. Which is why I stick with [H]ardOCP when it comes to their opinion of hardware. (y)(y)
 
The performance increases are huge, and I could use them at 4k, but the funny thing is even as huge as they are, the Titan V is not sufficient to play all titles at 60+ fps at 4k.

I just can't justify spending this kind of money on a GPU though, and I've been a Titan guy for the last 5 years...

I'm hoping a more consumer oriented halo card is coming down the pike.
 
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I need $3000 to waste :)

Hope the 2080 Ti is even faster and less than $1000 and has something built into it so miners can use it :) dreaming of a future were miners cant use GTX series cards :p
 
SomeoneElse said:
I still find it interesting they marketed the card as "not a gaming card" But the Titan moniker was supposed to be enthusiast level cards from GeForce. You would think if its supposed to be the workstation card it would run under the moniker of Quadro. I know it was supposed to bridge some gaps between the two but what would be the point of that?
Great Review Kyle probably one of the best and most in-depth reviews I've read in a long time. Which is why I stick with [H]ardOCP when it comes to their opinion of hardware. (y)(y)
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The TITAN was originally positioned as prosumer card, it just happened to have gaming chops better than the top consumer card at the time and a lot of people purchased one because of it. My guess is when NVIDIA saw the majority of TITAN customers using them for gaming they decided to cut down the chips more to focus on gaming and potentially make more profit off of each one sold, hence when the Maxwell GTX TITAN X was released it lost the double precision hardware. This continued through the Titan Xp. What changed with the TITAN V? My guess is NVIDIA either saw a demand for more affordable hardware to execute deep learning research or they wanted the entry point for their much hyped deep learning technology to be more affordable to get more people to jump in. Maybe a little of both. With TITAN V you're basically getting 80% of a V100 for a third of the price, harkening back to the days of the GTX TITAN Black and KC40.
 
Did you guys notice any specific graphical anomalies or weird issues due to the lack of gaming specific tweaks (for the Titan V) in the drivers in the games tested? Didn't notice any mentions of that.
 
Armenius said:
The TITAN was originally positioned as prosumer card, it just happened to have gaming chops better than the top consumer card at the time and a lot of people purchased one because of it. My guess is when NVIDIA saw the majority of TITAN customers using them for gaming they decided to cut down the chips more to focus on gaming and potentially make more profit off of each one sold, hence when the Maxwell GTX TITAN X was released it lost the double precision hardware. This continued through the Titan Xp. What changed with the TITAN V? My guess is NVIDIA either saw a demand for more affordable hardware to execute deep learning research or they wanted the entry point for their much hyped deep learning technology to be more affordable to get more people to jump in. Maybe a little of both. With TITAN V you're basically getting 80% of a V100 for a third of the price, harkening back to the days of the GTX TITAN Black and KC40.
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I do notice now that its branded at straight up Titan. Geforce was the branding for gaming cards. Thought for some reason they were branded Geforce Titan(X, Xp, V) but its not the case I see the lineup they do market the card as being a good card for gaming but its not solely meant to be a gaming card like the 10 series or 9 series.
 
dougdougdoug said:
Are you sure this card isn't for gaming?

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/03/21/nvidia_titan_v_reproducibility/
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From your own source:

It is not down to random defects in the chipsets nor a bad batch of products, since Nvidia has encountered this type of cockup in the past, we are told. The moneybags biz released patches for some of its older GeForce and Titan models that exhibited similar problems to address these errors. There was no issue with its Titan X card based on its Pascal architecture, we're told.

Unlike previous GeForce and Titan GPUs, the Titan V is geared not so much for gamers but for handling intensive parallel computing workloads for data science, modeling, and machine learning.
 
Armenius said:
From your own source:

It is not down to random defects in the chipsets nor a bad batch of products, since Nvidia has encountered this type of cockup in the past, we are told. The moneybags biz released patches for some of its older GeForce and Titan models that exhibited similar problems to address these errors. There was no issue with its Titan X card based on its Pascal architecture, we're told.

Unlike previous GeForce and Titan GPUs, the Titan V is geared not so much for gamers but for handling intensive parallel computing workloads for data science, modeling, and machine learning.
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I must not have lathered on enough sarcasm in my post. It is a point that everywhere continues to say "its not a gaming graphics card", though it is largely faster than the 1080 TI, and now even has a report of inconsistent scientific calculations... Yes it will most likely be fixed with simple enough software like in the past. It is just hard to consider it as a psuedo-gaming graphics card though with the monster performance jump it has, and a $3K price tag isn't absurd when looking at current 1080 TI prices...
 
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That is impressive performance from the Titan V but I would have expected a little more performance. The Titan V has 5120 CUDA Cores versus 3584 on GeForce GTX 1080 Ti which is just under 30% more cores, and it performs 30 to 40% better than the 1080 Ti. With volta being a new architecture it doesn't seem to have raised performance much above what raising the core count on a 1080 Ti alone would give it. That may be because its not a gaming card with optimised gaming drivers, so it will be interesting to see how volta gaming cards perform.
 
TitaniumLizzard said:
In that case I'm not impressed with this card. Yeah, I have my 1080 TI on water sitting @ 150% power going up to 2.114 GHZ and it's pretty close to this Titan V despite being (more) CPU limited. Not worth 3K IMO.
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I felt like Vulkan API performance for games wasn't very optimized. Plus, the driver was using an older Vulkan API version from last year. Even if you install the latest Vulkan SDK, the game only uses the driver Vulkan version since that's what the driver supports. I think it could stand some optimization there. The hardware is being held back by the software in that gaming situation.
 
Supraman321 said:
Did you guys notice any specific graphical anomalies or weird issues due to the lack of gaming specific tweaks (for the Titan V) in the drivers in the games tested? Didn't notice any mentions of that.
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Besides the CTD's at 4K in those games mentioned, there were no other problems.
 
Brent_Justice said:
I felt like Vulkan API performance for games wasn't very optimized. Plus, the driver was using an older Vulkan API version from last year. Even if you install the latest Vulkan SDK, the game only uses the driver Vulkan version since that's what the driver supports. I think it could stand some optimization there. The hardware is being held back by the software in that gaming situation.
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The shit cooling on the Titan V doesn't help either.
 
I admit I could do a search on this, being lazy and just wanting to see who shows what but I don't remember ever hearing of an AIB Titan in any generation. Am I wrong? As TitaniumLizzard mentioned about the cooling, could you imagine what one might do with a custom option?!?
 
That was a great read and review. Would be nice if AI in games actually improved from 2 decades ago, Tensor Cores I take it could be up to the challenge. Would be interesting if Nvidia will include those, even as a token in the upcoming gaming cards for developers to start using them just for that. API AI support?

Nvidia is just so far of AMD, great job in that respect for Nvidia. AMD with 7nm Vega??? That even does not sound like it would compete with Volta at 12nm. Anyways the power usage compared to Pascal and performance improvement for virtually the same power rating on a non-gaming or less gaming focus card is off the charts! That is what impressed me the most on this review. AWESOME!
 
In the titles that are trivial to the Titan V at a 4K maxed settings I'd run some DSR comparison tests against the 1080Ti.
 
I guess one question is, does Nvidia expect this card to remain a the $3000 level when the rest of the Volta lineup launches? If so, then this card is already the performance king in almost every way that matters. Ok, it's not billed as a gaming card, but just how much different will the GTX cards really be for gaming? Based on past incremental performance improvements I wouldn't expect much architecture difference.

So... odds of the next generation 1180 or 1180 Ti being as fast as this card is for gaming? In my mind almost nil.

If the next gen 80-series Ti card can match this for gaming at $1200 or less I suppose they have a win.

If the Ti card is only halfway to this... then that's not the most impressive jump considering the multiple years between new cards.

At $3000, this card SHOULD be 40% faster than a 1080 Ti.

But it bodes well at least.
 
The gaming cards could certainly be even faster for gaming.

The memory bandwidth provided by HBM2 is likely not needed for gaming workloads, and neither are the tensor cores. If even half of that extra die space currently used for tensor cores were preserved and converted to additional shader cores without a loss of clockspeed, the new card would easily eclipse the Titan V for gaming. And probably at lower BOM and significantly lower retail prices.
 
IdiotInCharge said:
The gaming cards could certainly be even faster for gaming.

The memory bandwidth provided by HBM2 is likely not needed for gaming workloads, and neither are the tensor cores. If even half of that extra die space currently used for tensor cores were preserved and converted to additional shader cores without a loss of clockspeed, the new card would easily eclipse the Titan V for gaming. And probably at lower BOM and significantly lower retail prices.
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Too true. I've been closely monitoring what most engines are using and the majority seem really dependent on GPU clocks and shaders. For the time being 11-12GB DDR5x VRam is plenty for even the highest textures in 4k and total overkill in anything less. Give me more speed and shaders I say! Based on what I've seen with KCD, around 3x/4x more for 4k Ultra.
 
if this is any prediction of upcoming Ti cards im prepared to have my mind blown lol as it will likely be better. that is some seriously insane gains nvidia have been pulling over the years. they dont sit idle and do nothing they keep pushing i really like nvidia lol. all except titan line, but hey, a ti comes along still costly but god damn for some performance.
 
Slade said:
Part of me wishes I went with Titan V, but the DGX and it's 8 Volta are worth it.

There are specific optimizations required to make full use of the Tensorcores of Volta, in my testing on apples to apples programs I've made without the optimizations, Tesla Volta can be slower than Tesla Pascal.
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Can you elaborate? What sort of projects are you working on?

I'm doing some deep learning work with a 1080Ti and kicking myself for not getting two of them back in November.

Wondering if selling and going with a Titan V is worthwhile.
 
RC-Heli-3D said:
Kyle, it is not a complete review until the mining hashes spec have been verified and posted. You know, some miners are gamers too! Much appreciated if some specs were posted, otherwise you may risk be labeled a minerphobe! You know, equal rights and all???? ;-)
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Had you ever read a single GPU review thread here on the HardForum, you would already be well aware that we do not do "complete reviews," at least according to our readers.
 
RC-Heli-3D said:
Kyle, respectfully I do read some of them. To be honest, when reading the gaming and hardware results, I just jump to the final talking points under "conclusion" and observe for the [H] GOLD sign. I've learned, you know your stuff and your word is worth more than GOLD.

I was hoping we could add more "rich context".
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Not my wheelhouse and do not intend to spend the money to chase after that market.
 
Titan V mining performance:

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RC-Heli-3D said:
Kyle, it is not a complete review until the mining hashes spec have been verified and posted. You know, some miners are gamers too! Much appreciated if some specs were posted, otherwise you may risk be labeled a minerphobe! You know, equal rights and all???? ;-)
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I can tell you that ETH for me is 78 Mh/s. +110 Memory with 90% Power limit. 60c temps.

(edit) I am now at 80 Mh/s with +140 Memory

(edit) My final numbers are 84.5 Mh/s with +170 Memory
 
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