G-Sync monitor suggestions.

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-Looking to buy a G-Sync monitor.

-Probably prefer at least 24-27 inch.

-Ideally no higher than 800 CAD.

Primarily using this monitor for game emulation to avoid tearing and audio issues but will use it for the occasional PC game here and there.

Probably prefer IPS over TN since I won't be playing FPS competitively.

Not sure if I should go with Full HD/ WQHD/ 4k. Only running an NVIDIA GTX 770 at the moment. I'd upgrade my GPU but you know how that goes....

So what would you guys suggest based on my needs?
 
What I learned about and wasted my money on at the time was G-Sync it was to late for me, it's all 'BS' No tearing, no lag. fanboy gaming in ' FPS', IMO I play my games on a G-Sync monitor but I turn it off and I don't see what all the hype is about now most gaming is done on 43" - 55" TV's 4k UHD @60hz without G-Sync now days that the way for me now and in the future but everyone to there own way.


If you want a G-Sync monitor stay away from Acer & Benq they share the same panel that have a bad problem with panel chipset,

Remember True 4K is 4,096x2160 only a few TV's have it and 4k UHD is 3,840x2,160 on all PC monitors and most TV's but not true 4K.

To understand the different between True 4k & 4k UHD is below
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What I learned about and wasted my money on at the time was G-Sync it was to late for me, it's all 'BS' No tearing, no lag. fanboy gaming in ' FPS', IMO I play my games on a G-Sync monitor but I turn it off and I don't see what all the hype is about now most gaming is done on 43" - 55" TV's 4k UHD @60hz without G-Sync now days that the way for me now and in the future but everyone to there own way.


If you want a G-Sync monitor stay away from Acer & Benq they share the same panel that have a bad problem with panel chipset,

Remember True 4K is 4,096x2160 only a few TV's have it and 4k UHD is 3,840x2,160 on all PC monitors and most TV's but not true 4K.

To understand the different between True 4k & 4k UHD is below
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Well, I emulate games and the Hz can vary a lot between games. Standard monitor Hz is 60, but there are NTSC games I play that go down to 54 Hz. Some MAME games even go above 60 Hz. If you're playing a PAL version of a game then It's 50 Hz.

I do see tearing in games that's blatantly noticeable by anyone; you'd have to be blind to not notice it. And it doesn't disappear with features like Vsync or Triple Buffering. But having a G-Sync monitor would eliminate screen tearing and the audio issues that come from using features like Triple Buffering and Vsync.

If you don't retro game with MAME and only play modern PC games at a non-competitive level then maybe it's not a big deal. But trust me, if you emulate games It's pretty damn annoying at times.
 
That is your choice if you think G-sync is for you I play the modern COD games and Fallout 4, also Vermintide fast action game I don't start picking little details on the screen I just playing the game, but if it was a big thing and half of my screen was to tearing bad then I would see it but I don't, And G-Sync is not that good because when I am in Fallout 4 parts of the game just drops to just to 30fps and lower so I turn it off as I said it's all hyper 'BS' IMO

I wonder if the gamers who play on a 40 - 60" TVs have this so called tearing and lag I haven't seen or heard of it online?

I am not starting this argument who is right or wrong it's just IMO
 
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If you value a smooth, judder free experience then there is no other option but VRR. Yes everyone is different. Personally, I could never go back to a 60Hz screen or any screen without VRR (G-Sync, FreeSync). Stutter, judder, tearing... all of it is nearly eliminated with variable refresh. It's a night-and-day difference for me, but to each their own.

I personally recommend the LG 32GK850G-B. Best G-Sync monitor out at the moment, but it's pricey. 32", G-Sync, 1440p, 165Hz, VA. Totally worth it IMO!
 
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That is your choice if you think G-sync is for you I play the modern COD games and Fallout 4, also Vermintide fast action game I don't start picking little details on the screen I just playing the game, but if it was a big thing and half of my screen was to tearing bad then I would see it but I don't, And G-Sync is not that good because when I am in Fallout 4 parts of the game just drops to just to 30fps and lower so I turn it off as I said it's all hyper 'BS' IMO

I wonder if the gamers who play on a 40 - 60" TVs have this so called tearing and lag I have seen or heard of it online?

I am not starting this argument who is right or wrong it's just IMO

I understand your perspective. I can't say I've noticed tearing in any modern games on my 60 Hz IPS Dell Display. Having said that, I've only played a few modern games that AREN'T FPS.

What I can tell you for sure is, playing MAME games with differing refresh rates I'm convinced that even someone such as yourself will notice this tearing that I'm talking about. Only way for me to get rid of it is to use G-Sync. Of course, I'd rather not pay extra money for this chip and play the display panel lottery as there seems to be a quality control issue with these displays, but the alternative of dealing with screen tearing isn't appealing either.

So I'm hoping I get some more G-Sync recommendations here.
 
Check out any of the IPS 1440p 165hz options, there are several. Just off the top of my head, Acer XB271HU, Asus PG279Q, there are at least a couple of others using the same panel including a ViewSonic model. They might be a hair out of your price range in Canada though.

The TN options are still solid too. The panels are 8bit so they are pretty accurate, just not as vibrant as IPS. Dell S2716DG, Asus PG278Q, Acer XB270HU etc.

4k is definitely asking too much from your GTX 770.

And you can safely ignore anyone who tells you Gsync and FreeSync are "BS marketing hype."
 
I was running a 770 at 1440p for a while and it was a struggle to get 100+ fps. I had to run most games on low.
 
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Acer predator monitors are crap a company who like to lie allot over it's monitors spec & panel problems. & for those who think they can see the difference from 60 - 100-165hz are not telling you the truth just another fanboy hype.
 
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Check out any of the IPS 1440p 165hz options, there are several. Just off the top of my head, Acer XB271HU, Asus PG279Q, there are at least a couple of others using the same panel including a ViewSonic model. They might be a hair out of your price range in Canada though.

The TN options are still solid too. The panels are 8bit so they are pretty accurate, just not as vibrant as IPS. Dell S2716DG, Asus PG278Q, Acer XB270HU etc.

4k is definitely asking too much from your GTX 770.

And you can safely ignore anyone who tells you Gsync and FreeSync are "BS marketing hype."

these monitor you list are not true 4K monitors you do no that right! only UHD oh I forgot you believe everything main stream media prints now days. and 8bit panels wow wouldn't waste my money on that crap
 
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I understand your perspective. I can't say I've noticed tearing in any modern games on my 60 Hz IPS Dell Display. Having said that, I've only played a few modern games that AREN'T FPS.

What I can tell you for sure is, playing MAME games with differing refresh rates I'm convinced that even someone such as yourself will notice this tearing that I'm talking about. Only way for me to get rid of it is to use G-Sync. Of course, I'd rather not pay extra money for this chip and play the display panel lottery as there seems to be a quality control issue with these displays, but the alternative of dealing with screen tearing isn't appealing either.

So I'm hoping I get some more G-Sync recommendations here.

If you feel that G-Sync would make your gaming experiences live up to it chip name then buy it, But if you want True 4K you will have to wait along time for the PC monitors to catch up with the True 4K TV's today on the market, a GTX 1080 TI can just about handle UHD on all the highest setting's, I am not trying to miss lead you on these so called 4K UHD Monitors, and Gsync don't take anyone recommendations lean it yourself and after if you still need Gsync go for it, A new GTX card is worth more than any Gsync monitors IMO.

If you want a good monitor with Gsync don't go with Acer & Benq you will regret it.
 
I was running a 770 at 1440p for a while and it was a struggle to get 100+ fps. I had to run most games on low.

With a 1440p monitor are you able to set your display to 1080 in-game? Will this work well or introduce issues?
This may be my only option if it does work - until I get a better video card.
 
With a 1440p monitor are you able to set your display to 1080 in-game? Will this work well or introduce issues?
This may be my only option if it does work - until I get a better video card.

You can do that with gpu scaling or you can use render scaling (most new games have it) but I don't think scaling from 1080p to 1440p looks good. I prefer to just use low settings with native resolution.

New games are totally playable either way though. And older games run fine maxed out.
 
With a 1440p monitor are you able to set your display to 1080 in-game? Will this work well or introduce issues?
This may be my only option if it does work - until I get a better video card.

It works Ok, but it's not ideal. For an FPS, racing game, something more action oriented like that, it's acceptable, but for something like a RPG with a lot of text on screen, the scaling produces soft edges that look pretty bad. In your situation though I'd still go for the 1440 display since it's a big purchase that you will probably be using for several years.
 
It works Ok, but it's not ideal. For an FPS, racing game, something more action oriented like that, it's acceptable, but for something like a RPG with a lot of text on screen, the scaling produces soft edges that look pretty bad. In your situation though I'd still go for the 1440 display since it's a big purchase that you will probably be using for several years.

For newer games that support render scaling they'll render the UI at native resolution and the rest of the game at the scaled resolution so the text still looks nice. And older games can probably be run at the native resolution.
 
For newer games that support render scaling they'll render the UI at native resolution and the rest of the game at the scaled resolution so the text still looks nice. And older games can probably be run at the native resolution.

True, but there are so many games that don't have that feature.
 
Acer predator monitors are crap a company who like to lie allot over it's monitors spec & panel problems. & for those who think they can see the difference from 60 - 100-165hz are not telling you the truth just another fanboy hype.

What are you talking about? lol

Just about every gaming monitor these days has an AU Optronics panel.

Google that right quick, tell us the parent company...
 
Check out any of the IPS 1440p 165hz options, there are several. Just off the top of my head, Acer XB271HU, Asus PG279Q, there are at least a couple of others using the same panel including a ViewSonic model. They might be a hair out of your price range in Canada though.

The TN options are still solid too. The panels are 8bit so they are pretty accurate, just not as vibrant as IPS. Dell S2716DG, Asus PG278Q, Acer XB270HU etc.

4k is definitely asking too much from your GTX 770.

And you can safely ignore anyone who tells you Gsync and FreeSync are "BS marketing hype."

I've looked at many different G-Sync monitors and it seems a lot of people complain about defects. Dead pixels, excessive back-light bleed and a host of other issues. Which is kinda the reason I made this post. If I didn't see so many quality control posts I probably woulda just gone out and bought whatever seemed good.
 
You can do that with gpu scaling or you can use render scaling (most new games have it) but I don't think scaling from 1080p to 1440p looks good. I prefer to just use low settings with native resolution.

New games are totally playable either way though. And older games run fine maxed out.

Did I read this wrong? Scaling from 1080p to 1440p? I'd want to drop from 1440p to 1080p, unelss that's what you meant. New games are playable @ 1080p on MINIMUM settings with a 770 ya, but I dunno about 1440p on a 770. Hence the need to maybe drop down from 1080p to 1440p.
 
Gsync and freesync are very noticeable to me. So is the mouse lag that vsync introduces

Buy a monitor with gsync and turn on fast sync in the Nvidia control panel. Turn off vsync in game. That’s the best combo I’ve come across. Fast sync ensures there’s no momentary hitch as you exceed gsync range. Gsync gives you smoothness and tear feee game play down to 30hz.
 
What are you talking about? lol...

It was reported on the community forum in 2016 that Acer predator monitors had a panel chipset 'TCON' defect on Gsync but instead of fixing the problem Acer Rep came on the forum and deleted all the post, also told Amazon & Newegg not to link thread to the community but in 2017 many gamers was still have the same problem, Then acer told the members that it was not there fault it was the panel manufacturer & it was too expensive to fix at the time, so many words Acer knew about the chipset problem in 2016 on their monitors in the begin! but lied saying they didn't know,

I have the same Problem with my Acer XB321HK and I am trying to get my monitor repaired but if you mention the above to acer they still end the phone call today but I took my monitor back to my local store and they will send it to Acer for repair but if it can't be fixed I will not take a replacement I get my money back and buy a 42" UHD TV without Gsync. & If you ask Acer what is the 'HDCP' on this monitor they don't reply to you it's another hiding feature by Acer.

In the image below this happens every half an hour for 20 seconds at a time. with Gsync on/off so it hard to play any games also watch movies.

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Did I read this wrong? Scaling from 1080p to 1440p? I'd want to drop from 1440p to 1080p, unelss that's what you meant. New games are playable @ 1080p on MINIMUM settings with a 770 ya, but I dunno about 1440p on a 770. Hence the need to maybe drop down from 1080p to 1440p.

Yes, sharknice meant scaling 1080p up to the new monitor's native 1440p. I think you can see some good pictures of what upscaling looks like on TFTCentral reviews. It's been a long time since I looked over there, but I think they normally put some close-up text shots so you can see the effect scaling has on a small area of text. Generally I think it should be OK for most people. Like I said, you should go with a 1440p display anyway so you can 'grow into' it whenever you get around to upgrading your GPU.
 
Not sure if I should go with Full HD/ WQHD/ 4k.
For emulation, if you use CRT shaders, then the higher the ppi, the better. I would go for wqhd with gsync. You could try running demanding modern games in 720p, i think it will scale better than 1080p on a wqhd screen, since it's half of the native resolution (so every pixel will be doubled).
 
Not sure if it's much relevant to Your question but those are pictures of AOC AG251FG... my first and 2nd new unit. Both have horrible bezel glow. I cannot stand. The picture is way overexposed and does not look like that in reality but bezel glow is there.
https://imgur.com/a/gTZSe

No idea if I should try other gsync stop pursuing the gsync idea ll along...
 
Not sure if it's much relevant to Your question but those are pictures of AOC AG251FG... my first and 2nd new unit. Both have horrible bezel glow. I cannot stand. The picture is way overexposed and does not look like that in reality but bezel glow is there.
https://imgur.com/a/gTZSe

No idea if I should try other gsync stop pursuing the gsync idea ll along...
That has nothing to do with Gsync.
 
It was reported on the community forum in 2016 that Acer predator monitors had a panel chipset 'TCON' defect on Gsync but instead of fixing the problem Acer Rep came on the forum and deleted all the post, also told Amazon & Newegg not to link thread to the community but in 2017 many gamers was still have the same problem, Then acer told the members that it was not there fault it was the panel manufacturer & it was too expensive to fix at the time, so many words Acer knew about the chipset problem in 2016 on their monitors in the begin! but lied saying they didn't know,

I have the same Problem with my Acer XB321HK and I am trying to get my monitor repaired but if you mention the above to acer they still end the phone call today but I took my monitor back to my local store and they will send it to Acer for repair but if it can't be fixed I will not take a replacement I get my money back and buy a 42" UHD TV without Gsync. & If you ask Acer what is the 'HDCP' on this monitor they don't reply to you it's another hiding feature by Acer.

In the image below this happens every half an hour for 20 seconds at a time. with Gsync on/off so it hard to play any games also watch movies.

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Well, that's the thing though, I don't like Acer or Asus as brands--just personal preference, not trying to offend anyone--(Looked at their laptop/ultrabook offerings a few times). Quality control issues galore with certain models. And now that I'm looking at G-Sync monitors it seems that the main providers of G-Sync monitors are Acer and Asus. Hence why I made this post. Because I'd prefer to avoid both companies. But other notable brands don't seem to be making IPS G-Sync; they're mostly focusing on TN and some VA. Maybe there are other companies out there doing things better than Acer and Asus, I'm not sure. It seems in general there's fewer companies working on G-Sync monitors vs non-G-sync. But even if I did bite the bullet and buy Acer and Asus, I want to make sure that the model I'm buying is the 'new-and-improved' version that fixed whatever defect(s) the previous model had. With all the quality control complains that I read about on amazon and else where It's such a time consuming process that I could probably spend the next month researching G-Sync monitors, order something I feel confident about and still lose the monitor lottery and end up with a defective panel anyway. Some people have had to return their monitors 3-4+ times and still end up with a defective product. I normally do a lot of research when I spend a fair bit of money and I don't expect perfection but this is ridiculous.
 
Well, that's the thing though, I don't like Acer or Asus as brands--just personal preference, not trying to offend anyone--(Looked at their laptop/ultrabook offerings a few times). Quality control issues galore with certain models. And now that I'm looking at G-Sync monitors it seems that the main providers of G-Sync monitors are Acer and Asus. Hence why I made this post. Because I'd prefer to avoid both companies. But other notable brands don't seem to be making IPS G-Sync; they're mostly focusing on TN and some VA. Maybe there are other companies out there doing things better than Acer and Asus, I'm not sure. It seems in general there's fewer companies working on G-Sync monitors vs non-G-sync. But even if I did bite the bullet and buy Acer and Asus, I want to make sure that the model I'm buying is the 'new-and-improved' version that fixed whatever defect(s) the previous model had. With all the quality control complains that I read about on amazon and else where It's such a time consuming process that I could probably spend the next month researching G-Sync monitors, order something I feel confident about and still lose the monitor lottery and end up with a defective panel anyway. Some people have had to return their monitors 3-4+ times and still end up with a defective product. I normally do a lot of research when I spend a fair bit of money and I don't expect perfection but this is ridiculous.

True, in 2016 - December 2017 the threads was still been deleted because not only the fault of panel but because Acer was not fixing the chipset panel and return the monitors back to customers say they couldn't find anything wrong. some members had to fight to get a refund also prove the monitor had defects before the post was deleted by Acer. Now I must let Acer try and repair my monitor it's not my choice but my local store said I must under warranty but what I know is if it was not fixed in 2016 to 2017 and still too expensive it will not be fixed now in 2018 Acer will return it and say the same thing and I too will have to fight for refund at my store.

Back when I was looking for monitor last year If the post/links was not been deleted I would never brought this Acer monitor And never will in future.
 
Really not sure where all the G-Sync hate is coming from. It has it's benefits and drawbacks just like ALL monitors out there right now, there is no PERFECT monitor with every bell and whistle you could want. Pick the one that's right for you based off the below:

G-Sync provides the smoothest game play experience, period, especially when you're not able to maintain the FPS required by the monitor. You say you prefer IPS over TN, I get it. The colors on my TN aren't amazing, but they aren't horrendous like they're being made out to be either. I've done side-by-sides, the difference is noticeable, but I don't consider them game breaking or anything near that.

You run the risk of playing the lottery with IPS's as you mentioned above. AFAIK, BLB and dead pixels happen frequently, or maybe you'll get lucky. Up to you on this one if you're a gambler, TN is by far the safer bet.

I would stick with a 24" 1080p 144+ hz monitor if you don't plan on upgrading your graphics card in the near future, but if you do, start looking at 27" 1440p 144+ hz variations.

From experience, I've used a FANTASTIC Asus PG278Q, and own the Dell S2716DG. My buddy was lucky with the Asus, and I went the safe road with the Dell. If you're die-hard on IPS, this one gets my nod (Asus PG279Q now, but yeah). I absolutely love my Dell though, and like I said above, I'm not that deterred by the TN panels color profile. Can't go wrong either way.
 
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NVidia G-Sync faces some criticism in the gaming world due to its proprietary nature, and the fact that it's still being promoted! When free alternatives exist like Adaptive-Sync which is an optional feature of DisplayPort version 1.2a. and AMD's FreeSync The main problem is the G-Sync chipset is what pushes the prices up on monitors. But FreeSync is free that is a similar technology to G-Sync.

All 1440p is not UHD But 3840x2160 is UHD But not 4K and 4096xunspecified is True 4K also 7680x4320 is 8K


A 24" is small monitor these days, 32" is what most gaming is played on,
 
NVidia G-Sync faces some criticism in the gaming world due to its proprietary nature, and the fact that it's still being promoted! When free alternatives exist like Adaptive-Sync which is an optional feature of DisplayPort version 1.2a. and AMD's FreeSync The main problem is the G-Sync chipset is what pushes the prices up on monitors. But FreeSync is free that is a similar technology to G-Sync.

Free, and inferior. FreeSync is certainly better than nothing but it's also not the complete solution that G-Sync was from the beginning. FreeSync 2 catches most of the way up but will also be more expensive because it'll require a similar hardware solution. And then there's the pretty horrific FreeSync implementations...
 
Free, and inferior. FreeSync is certainly better than nothing but it's also not the complete solution that G-Sync was from the beginning. FreeSync 2 catches most of the way up but will also be more expensive because it'll require a similar hardware solution. And then there's the pretty horrific FreeSync implementations...

Freesync implementations vary much more in quality, but it's cheaper, works over HDMI, there's way more monitors to choose from, etc. If NVidia supported Freesync, I'd really consider getting a Freesync monitor.
 
Freesync implementations vary much more in quality, but it's cheaper, works over HDMI, there's way more monitors to choose from, etc. If NVidia supported Freesync, I'd really consider getting a Freesync monitor.

Hell, I already have a FreeSync monitor- and that wasn't a selling point, as I don't own a compatible GPU ;).

But I'm under no illusions as to the general limitations of FreeSync- really need to wait for FreeSync 2.0 on DP for good desktop support, and HDMI adaptive sync will be limited to original FreeSync quality. Still a massive upgrade for consoles though!
 
The TN options are still solid too. The panels are 8bit so they are pretty accurate, just not as vibrant as IPS. Dell S2716DG, Asus PG278Q, Acer XB270HU etc.
wat?
8bit have nothing to do with 'accuracy' and ips have nothing to do with panel being 'vibrant'
You cannot get good accuracy on TN (and VA also!!!) because eyes see panel straight on only in two spots, one for each eye, with viewing angles being horrible most of the screen will have inaccurate colors.
Vibrancy is result of backlight and color filters and those are independent of panel type.

TN is horrible technology that have horrible viewing angle issues, especially on larger displays. It should never ever existed in the first place. Why is it still being produced, sold and most of all: why it is still recommended? :yuck:

@FenFox
If you have no special needs like 4K just look for what QHD IPS G-sync monitor you can buy and probably cheapest one will be the best. And it won't be cheap at all :ROFLMAO:
I would not worry too much about performance on QHD screen.
G-Sync is there to make any frame-rate >30fps very much playable.
Just be sure to disable v-sync and cap frame rate to below monitor refresh rate eg. 59fps for 60Hz monitor if you get 60Hz 4K G-Sync or 143fps for 144Hz QHD and you are good to go.

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BTW. Nvidia is playing dirty here with this whole -sync thing.
Of course they kinda invented the thing and all but not supporting technology which is actually quite popular (many people have Freesync monitors just because it was already included!) and open standard (DP adaptive sync is) is a big no no... but what can we do? They basically have no real competition ... :cry:
 
I would still take tn over horrible ips glow... At least all ips monitors ive had were terrible and viewing angles seemed worse than on paper while with tn You just sit there and its fine
 
I would still take tn over horrible ips glow... At least all ips monitors ive had were terrible and viewing angles seemed worse than on paper while with tn You just sit there and its fine

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Does this look 'fine' to you?

I cannot seem to be bothered by black level on any IPS screen, even those old with 600:1 contrast ratio.
While all VA and TN are unworkable. Dark details will get overblown and reveal sharp transitions from dark shades and dark blobs of black which is irritating as hell. It is all perceptual thing.

But maybe different people are bothered by different effects. To each their own.
TN have superior pixel refresh so for fast on-line gaming they might be the best choice.

BTW. IPS manufacturers suck because there is A-TW polarizer and it makes IPS screens sorta almost perfect.
But even despite having A-TW screen with best color rendition (RGB-LED + spot on hardware calibration to sRGB) I am not really bothered by IPS glow on my gaming monitor. I dunno, I just do not seem to see it while playing games, even in dark scenes. I only see it when there is black screen when waiting for loading or something.

But if there were 4K 144Hz G-Sync monitor with A-TW I would be really tempted to buy it despite associated cost factor, even if just to have superior image quality. Those monitors already cost so much they should include IPS glow reduction, especially since it is hard to not see it on large displays when sitting close (as is the case with PC monitors)
 
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I always found this test made to punish TN monitors unfairly. None of this is visible when gaming and only top part of the screen gets a little darker if I will lay down or something (which I don't. I sit on a a chair.
It's a gaming monitor. not photoshop 5k$ eizo monitor ffs.
And with ips, any dark game or movie is impossible. It always looks like if something was reflecting in the screen and it's just ips glow.

Nobody puts polarizer filters on monitors anymore except for super high end photoshop ones from nec and eizo. sadly.

The last ips I've tried adn returned - factory calibrated Dell U2417H, was crushing blacks hard and had glow so strong that it was terrible in daylight room straight on. And it looked way worse off angle. TN is so much better for media. VA glow is also not as bad as ips glow
 
Unfairly? Hue of colors does visibly change from top to bottom on even the best TN screens so there is nothing unfair about it.
 
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