Rhode Island Also Wants to Tax Your Pr0n

Rhode Island is probably going broke and looking to tax anything that people would consider a negative.
It's just like the nyc soda tax (because who likes fat people?). Eventually it'll be struck down because rhode island shouldn't be dictating what people do online, whether that's video games or pr0n.
 
Why what an amazing way to encourage safer web surfing through the use of a VPN. This is brilliant, when given the choice I'd definitely rather pay a private company for anonymous browsing than pay the government ANYTHING.
 
So basically the government is instituting state backed ransomware? Cool.

If it's so harmful or "immoral", ban it. Stop trying to feign morality with a block that's really a money grab.
 
This sets a terrible precedent. I'm not in favor of plans like these especially due to the costs involved implementing them. I would predict it would cost the state more to enforce then it would take in.

It's like red light cameras. Someone's looking for a payday using the state.
 
Is this another conflation of sex trafficking with legitimate sex work?
 
viscountalpha said:
This sets a terrible precedent. I'm not in favor of plans like these especially due to the costs involved implementing them. I would predict it would cost the state more to enforce then it would take in.

It's like red light cameras. Someone's looking for a payday using the state.
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They are prolly just throwing it against the wall in the hopes someone will pay. Maybe toss in some targeted enforcement where they make enough of an example of someone that others will pay out of fear. Sort of like gow the RIAA or MPAA or Mafia operates(d).
This smack of revenue generation and not morality pushing.
If it actually makes it into law, (stupid bills are proposed and subsequently die off almost daily), I believe it will work it's way through the courts and get chunked there.
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
Well, to play devils advocate here a little. A reasonable person could argue that drinking excessive amounts of sugary sodas can lead to various chronic illnesses resulting in you becoming a load on society, bringing up other peoples health insurance costs, and in older age exacerbating the already precarious financial health of medicaid...

Everyone in society benefits when people stay healthy. Everyone in society is hurt when people through their own actions become less healthy, even if they are not directly impacting anyone else.

Argument in a nutshell: "Why should I pay more for MY group health insurance because YOU gave yourself diabetes?" :p
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NeoNemesis said:
I was going to post something similar but you said it better. As someone with universal healthcare, I actually approve of sugar taxes for the same reason I believe in cigarette taxes. If your lifestyle burdens our healthcare system you should have to pay more for it.

But I just can't wrap my head around their reasoning for taxing porn. They claim its to help fund human trafficking efforts, but I'm not aware of any link between porn and human trafficking. There are obviously links between human trafficking and prostitution, but porn =/= prostitution. The whole thing just boggles the mind.
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Ok so then by that logic we should tax pizza, fast food, and alcohol as well. And any number of other foods. We should probably also include a tax for people who dont exercise....see where I am going with this?

brucethemoose said:
Isn't this a first Amendment violation?

Now, if they reworded the proposal so you instead get a tax break for using the filter, that would be less of an issue.
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I dont think so...its not like they are banning it. We already have laws that limit who can access it based on age so this might fall along the same lines?
 
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kju1 said:
Ok so then by that logic we should tax pizza, fast food, and alcohol as well. And any number of other foods. We should probably also include a tax for people who dont exercise....see where I am going with this?
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Slippery slope is a fallacious argument.
 
kju1 said:
Ok so then by that logic we should tax pizza, fast food, and alcohol as well. And any number of other foods. We should probably also include a tax for people who dont exercise....see where I am going with this?
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Well I'm in Canada and we do tax the shit out of alcohol and yes, come to think of it we tax fast food as well. Pretty much the only thing that isn't taxed is the food you buy in the grocery store. You know what? I'm not complaining. Our health care system is great.
 
WhoMe said:
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Slippery slope is a fallacious argument.
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NeoNemesis said:
Well I'm in Canada and we do tax the shit out of alcohol and yes, come to think of it we tax fast food as well. Pretty much the only thing that isn't taxed is the food you buy in the grocery store. You know what? I'm not complaining. Our health care system is great.
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Slippery slope wasnt my argument. My argument is a lot of things are bad for you. Why are you picking on just a select few based on your morality?
 
kju1 said:
Slippery slope wasnt my argument. My argument is a lot of things are bad for you. Why are you picking on just a select few based on your morality?
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My morality has nothing to do with it. I don't care if you kill yourself, I care if you make yourself sick and I have to pay for it. It's one thing if it's accidental or genetic or whatever, but why should my taxes go up because someone decides to kill themselves slowly with shitty food and booze?
 
NeoNemesis said:
My morality has nothing to do with it. I don't care if you kill yourself, I care if you make yourself sick and I have to pay for it. It's one thing if it's accidental or genetic or whatever, but why should my taxes go up because someone decides to kill themselves slowly with shitty food and booze?
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Because you chose to have a universal healthcare system thats why.
 
Two young men organizing the ‘march for our lives’ in Washington DC March 24 were on tv last week. They are survivors of the Florida school shooting. They called their senators for support. Their senators instead wanted to talk about a more problematic threat to our society - pornography.

I was stunned that our politicians are secretly masturbating while viewing porn to ‘learn’ what qualifies as porn so they can better regulate it.

They should be in Florida helping to dig the graves of their constituents.
 
Just wanna point out the not-so-obvious joke. Around these parts (Southern New England/MA/RI), "Cranston" is slang for "taking a crap, dropping a deuce, etc.". One of the senators trying to push this through is from Cranston. Cranston is a you-know-what-hole too. Coincidence? :D

Nothing shocks me about RI anymore. :D
 
xX_Jack_Carver_Xx said:
Any lawyer who proposes blatantly unconstitutional legislation should be disbarred for life. That would save a LOT of grief and wasted electrons.
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I'm pretty sure that courts would toss this out on the basis that states have no right to block a genre of communicated content -- but then again we recently had the Supreme Court rule that the right to tax is absolute -- so all bets are off anymore on what courts will do.
 
NeoNemesis said:
Yup, and if the politicians decide to put a tax on alcohol and fast food, that will also be because I voted them in.
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You people already pay high ass taxes cause of you health care. Why should they be taking it even more? I rather take my cheap gas and taxes with my employer paid health care over what you have there. I don't have to wait 6 month to get life saving surgery. Shit my modest town house proabably cost 4 times more for something comparable in/near a big city in Canada.
 
kju1 said:
Slippery slope wasnt my argument. My argument is a lot of things are bad for you. Why are you picking on just a select few based on your morality?
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Ok lets break this down. You are saying that we won't stop at soda tax we will then tax pizza, booze etc.. That is a slippery slope argument, please look at the link.
Now why did I comment on it? Because by using a fallacious argument you are ignoring some things. In particular why were soft drinks chosen? Because they are especially egregious--they have very high calories, often come in large containers encouraging consuming extra large amounts, the body absorbs the calories but expels the liquid rapidly and leaves the consumer soon hungry for more--sure you can get fat easing only pizza but it is harder. As for alcohol, it is taxed, been taxed often in history.

Also it was a way to introduce a link to a great web site with simple examples of fallacies in logic :).
 
vegeta535 said:
You people already pay high ass taxes cause of you health care. Why should they be taking it even more? I rather take my cheap gas and taxes with my employer paid health care over what you have there. I don't have to wait 6 month to get life saving surgery. Shit my modest town house proabably cost 4 times more for something comparable in/near a big city in Canada.
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Rofl, that '6 months for lifesaving surgery is BS'. My brother was diagnosed with tongue cancer and had surgery later that week. Also, our taxes are high, but manageable. What we don't want is for them to go up because of an increasingly unhealthy society.
 
WhoMe said:
Ok lets break this down. You are saying that we won't stop at soda tax we will then tax pizza, booze etc.. That is a slippery slope argument, please look at the link.
Now why did I comment on it? Because by using a fallacious argument you are ignoring some things. In particular why were soft drinks chosen? Because they are especially egregious--they have very high calories, often come in large containers encouraging consuming extra large amounts, the body absorbs the calories but expels the liquid rapidly and leaves the consumer soon hungry for more--sure you can get fat easing only pizza but it is harder. As for alcohol, it is taxed, been taxed often in history.

Also it was a way to introduce a link to a great web site with simple examples of fallacies in logic :).
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No that is not what I am saying. Read my last post. Who gets to pick what gets taxed and on what basis? Stop making this about a particular example - I simply said I thought the porn tax was as stupid as the soda tax. My original point was, and still remains:

Leaving aside the whole universal health care debacle why do YOU get a say in MY life choice to watch porn? As long as I am not doing anything that hurts you then you have no reason to butt into my life. Period.
 
NeoNemesis said:
Our health care system is great.
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Define great. Great on out-of-pocket costs. Not so much on coverage or access.

Average wait time for an MRI in Canada is 11.1 weeks. So long that many ligaments have already healed in that time, making it difficult to determine how extensive injuries originally were. In the USA, I could probably get an MRI tomorrow, maybe today if I called around.

Another example, New Brunswick only covers insulin pump therapy to the age of 25 for Type 1 diabetics. My wife, who has had Type 1 Diabetics since age 9, would not get an insulin pump. Here in the USA, she gets a new one every 3-5 years as technology improves.

In the USA, we may pay ridiculously for it, but availability is much higher and faster.

Edit for Sources:
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/waiting-your-turn-wait-times-for-health-care-in-canada-2016
https://globalnews.ca/news/4048362/nb-insulin-pump/
 
kju1 said:
No that is not what I am saying. Read my last post. Who gets to pick what gets taxed and on what basis? Stop making this about a particular example - I simply said I thought the porn tax was as stupid as the soda tax. My original point was, and still remains:

Leaving aside the whole universal health care debacle why do YOU get a say in MY life choice to watch porn? As long as I am not doing anything that hurts you then you have no reason to butt into my life. Period.
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Then I'd suggest leaving out the slippery slope arugments, it weakens your case. I actually agree with you re: the porn.
 
ISP: "We wanted to give you net neutrality and didn't want to impose special charges for different content, unfortunately the law says we have to."

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tgom222 said:
Define great. Great on out-of-pocket costs. Not so much on coverage or access.

Average wait time for an MRI in Canada is 11.1 weeks. So long that many ligaments have already healed in that time, making it difficult to determine how extensive injuries originally were. In the USA, I could probably get an MRI tomorrow, maybe today if I called around.

Another example, New Brunswick only covers insulin pump therapy to the age of 25 for Type 1 diabetics. My wife, who has had Type 1 Diabetics since age 9, would not get an insulin pump. Here in the USA, she gets a new one every 3-5 years as technology improves.

In the USA, we may pay ridiculously for it, but availability is much higher and faster.

Edit for Sources:
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/waiting-your-turn-wait-times-for-health-care-in-canada-2016
https://globalnews.ca/news/4048362/nb-insulin-pump/
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You can quote all the articles you want, but from my personal experience the service has been fantastic. That said, you are right, the United States has the best healthcare in the world if you can afford it.
 
do other countries have silly politicians like we do ?

Please tell me we're not the only country with dumb people running it.
 
tgom222 said:
Define great. Great on out-of-pocket costs. Not so much on coverage or access.

Average wait time for an MRI in Canada is 11.1 weeks. So long that many ligaments have already healed in that time, making it difficult to determine how extensive injuries originally were. In the USA, I could probably get an MRI tomorrow, maybe today if I called around.

Another example, New Brunswick only covers insulin pump therapy to the age of 25 for Type 1 diabetics. My wife, who has had Type 1 Diabetics since age 9, would not get an insulin pump. Here in the USA, she gets a new one every 3-5 years as technology improves.

In the USA, we may pay ridiculously for it, but availability is much higher and faster.

Edit for Sources:
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/waiting-your-turn-wait-times-for-health-care-in-canada-2016
https://globalnews.ca/news/4048362/nb-insulin-pump/
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More than a third of the country's population lives in Ontario, which boasts the lowest wait times in their 2017 study and also covers insulin pumps for children and adults. Your examples point out the folly of generically referring to "Canadian healthcare" when it's actually a provincial service that varies between the 10 provinces. New Brunswick, clearly the worst performer in the study, serves just 2% of the population. I haven't done any research on the Frasier Institute but many of the references on that study seem to be their own articles...

"In the USA, we may pay ridiculously for it" kinda says it all, because a huge percentage of the US can't afford to pay for it. Stories that go like "I passed out, hit my head, woke up in the hospital and now I'm $40,000 in debt" are pure insanity to anyone used to universal healthcare.
 
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Gorankar said:
I am getting the feeling this is a revenue issue and not actually a porn issue.
IE, they are going for the money by playing on people's public facing morality show, and private facing unwillingness to give up their porn, and not trying to impose their morality by increasing the cost of porn with a tax.

So, just another sin tax to feed the ever growing financial needs of our politicians imho. Either way, they can screw off.
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You mean like this?

President Obama yesterday signed into law H.R. 2, a 4-1/2 year reauthorization of the Children’s Health Insurance Program (formerly State Children’s Health Insurance Program). The bill is estimated to fund health insurance for the existing 7 million beneficiaries, and expand it to a net further 4 million at 300% of the poverty level with the most favorable federal matching funds. (I say “net” because it takes into account children who currently have private insurance, and a smaller number who have Medicaid, who will be induced to drop it and enter the more generous government program.)
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https://taxfoundation.org/federal-c...w-raises-taxes-families-earning-under-250000/

I've been telling you guys that this is wrong, that others would be next.

They tried it with the anti-gun crowd but that failed;
http://abc7chicago.com/politics/dav...to-increase-taxes-on-guns-ammunition/3139626/
If enacted, the legislation would double the federal excise tax on guns and impose a 50 percent excise tax on ammunition. Currently, the excise tax on ammunition is 11 percent.
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And now it's porn.

Sin taxes are wrong. I don't care who is pushing it or why. If you can't get the backing to make something illegal than we sure as hell shouldn't be using Taxation to enforce social change.

People are all for it when it's not about them, but when the shoe is on the other foot ........
 
Kdawg said:
do other countries have silly politicians like we do ?

Please tell me we're not the only country with dumb people running it.
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Asian politicians are funny to watch, they get into physical fights in their equivalent of "congress"
 
Masterbation, sex, orgasm, so long as no harm is being done (no more sandpaper to the wily guys) all have proven health benefits. Not just prostate cancer reduction either.

The same type of politician lost the war on making vibrators illegal. The us postal service lost the war about pubic hair being indecent. Seriously I think it was the sears catalog, had a model with a few hairs sticking out the waistband kind of thing. Of course sears also had underwear models with their nuts hanging out too.

Vibrators are still illegal in Alabama, so maybe I should not be surprised About this.
 
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vegeta535 said:
You people already pay high ass taxes cause of you health care. Why should they be taking it even more? I rather take my cheap gas and taxes with my employer paid health care over what you have there. I don't have to wait 6 month to get life saving surgery. Shit my modest town house proabably cost 4 times more for something comparable in/near a big city in Canada.
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As a Torontonian, I concur. Sadly.
 
Right leaning/Republican states pull this stuff because of morals. While left leaning/Democrat states pull this stuff because of money.
 
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