NVIDIA Unlikely to Unveil 2018 Graphics Cards at GDC, GTC

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Contrary to recent rumors, NVIDIA will not be revealing new GPUs during March’s Game Developers Conference (GDC) or Graphics Technology Conference (GTC): Tom’s Hardware claims to have ”multiple independent sources” that claim there is only disappointment and more waiting in store.

What remains for gamers? AMD just isn’t putting enough pressure on the market with Vega right now to force Nvidia to make a major move. And if you leave the crypto-mining sector out of the equation, Nvidia has no big impetus to push innovation in the gaming sector. This is in keeping with our information that Nvidia’s Turing launch has apparently been pushed back.
 
Two F`ing years common man!

I want to replace my 980 already
 
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Goes hand in hand with gysnc HDR displays being pushed back to Q3/Q4.
 
Come on! I need more mining GPU's!!!
Maybe they are just going to ramp up production of the 1080ti's and others, to just wait a bit for the new ones?
 
Remind anyone of Intel's slow pace of CPU advances, back when they were the only game in town?
There's just no extra profit to be had in NVidia releasing new GPUs for gamers right now.

I wouldn't be surprised if they are instead allocating resources to chips for the autonomous vehicle market.
 
pcgeekesq said:
Remind anyone of Intel's slow pace of CPU advances, back when they were the only game in town?
There's just no extra profit to be had in NVidia releasing new GPUs for gamers right now.

I wouldn't be surprised if they are instead allocating resources to chips for the autonomous vehicle market.
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Exactly. NVidia is much more than a GPU card company now - they are breaking into a bunch of other segments that are way more competitive than graphics cards and hold a pretty strong grip over the GPU market. There's little reason to keep pushing the technology further in this segment when they can simply buckle down, take advantage of the economy of scale to maximize profits, and focus their R&D resources into brand new segments that are on the technological forefront (such as AI and driverless cars) while they have their dominant GPU business backing them up financially.

If you look at their job postings for positions up and down the east coast, they seem to be going all in on AI and autonomous vehicles. Makes sense - if they become the dominant chip powering all autonomous systems, their business will grow exponentially compared to GPU's as there will be way more demand for cars than there ever will be for video cards.
 
Who cares whether NVIDIA or AMD comes out with new graphics cards? It's meaningless until:

1. Graphics cards are actually in stock at retailers.

2. They are available at sane prices, i.e., MSRP or below.

The current situation is going to catch up to the entire industry as people do not upgrade not only their graphics cards, but their entire systems, or buy new PC's until graphics and memory prices normalize. The cascade effects will harm all components manufacturers, as well as software companies as folk abandon PC gaming for the far more affordable game consoles.

They are killing the golden goose right now.
 
Cmdrmonkey said:
They’re raking in money hand over fist as miners and gamers fight over their cards, and have no real pressure from AMD from a performance standpoint, so why would they release anything new?
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Because they can, and because there's an opportunity cost if they just perpetually delayed new tech that's ready to go. They're not Intel, Jen-Hsun doesn't take his foot off the gas. They didn't have any pressure when they released the 1070/1080, 970/980, 770/780, 670/680, go as far back as you want.

They're the leader, so every 18-24 months it's "here's the new tech, no we're not going to overprice it like everyone assumed, and this train ain't stopping for shit so see you in two years, probably sooner".
 
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Honestly, with the market mayhem going on with existing graphics card chipsets right now how do they launch a new multi-billion dollar line of cards? They can't make the current lineup fast enough to keep up it seems so what happens if they try to empty the channel as normal during the switch to producing new cards? The channel is already pulled down hard. I doubt there is any serious excess inventory anywhere and orders keep coming in for cards to be produced over the next couple of months.

If they try to launch new cards there will inevitably be a big dead zone between the channel emptying and the new card production ramping up. That's just mountains of money lost that Nvidia could just as easily be making selling their current product.

It's not like it is malicious. They can continue R&D, but deciding WHEN to release a new series right now is going to be hell. They may have to pile up a rather insane amount of inventory before releasing them, and that's equally scary if the mining ever slows down. How do they even begin to guess just how saturated the video card market COULD be if suddenly all the mining cards went into general consumer's hands?

If I was in Nvidia's shoes I'd be looking at continuing to make the current cards and skipping the next release cycle entirely so that when they do launch there is enough performance difference to actually entice gamers to not want to buy one of what could be an infinite supply of their old used cards.

And finally, launching new cards also has other risks. The current cards work and are a known quantity. What if they released now and had a design flaw forcing a recall of early production? Why would they want to risk their current ultra high demand golden goose with that possibility? And if they tried pure paper launching the new cards with this demand? There would be a riot. "We have new cards! Availability? NEVER!"
 
What about the rumours they stopped making pascal chips last november?

Also if they intend to make mining specific cards, would it not be best to release the asap, b4 the craze dies down or GPU's become too slow to mine current coins like what happened with bitcoin?
 
Denpepe said:
What about the rumours they stopped making pascal chips last november?
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I also read that they stopped manufacturing Pascal back in Nov/Dec timeframe. If this is true then it's only going to get worse from this point forward.
 
they aren't going to not sell anything for 6+ months... so i doubt it.
 
Hey, whatever makes miners happy, right? /s

I love my GTX 750 Ti SC, but it would be nice to have used GPUs out there that I could buy for an upgrade. But anything used seem to be mining cards that, in my opinion, have been through torture. And I can't afford them anyways. Even a new GTX 1050 is $150, and I see it as kind of a lateral move from my 750. A 1050 Ti is well over $230. Yes, I do realize that a lot of those cards have 4GB, vs my 2GB. But, as a consumer with a small budget, the point is moot.

Even a GTX 970 is $200, used, on eBay.

So, I'm screwed.
 
But I need to redo my loop and I can't motivate myself to take it apart if I'm not putting something new in #firstworldproblems
 
I sold my 1070 and moved to a 1080 right during the Christmas sales. Originally I was just following the same pattern I had with the 970 and 980, moving up before anyone knew when the next gen cards would be out so I'd have plenty of performance at 1440p. I think I got one of the last $500 1080 cards. And at the time I thought it was stupidly expansive. Figured I'd have it for 3 or 4 months.

Now I'm trying to figure out if I need to plan on keeping this thing for the next year.
 
If you can't afford to pay $75-150 over msrp and can't be arsed to use a cell phone for alerts. And it's enough to stop an entire system upgrade for you. Then you don't want it bad enough.

Stifling innovation get outta here with that bullcrap blaming it all on miners. They want more performance just like you. The only ones who might not want a new release are those who just bought a whole bunch of GPUs and overpaid for it by a buttload.
 
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If you can't afford to pay $75-150 over msrp and can't be arsed to use a cell phone for alerts. And it's enough to stop an entire system upgrade for you. Then you don't want it bad enough.
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Advil said:
I sold my 1070 and moved to a 1080 right during the Christmas sales. Originally I was just following the same pattern I had with the 970 and 980, moving up before anyone knew when the next gen cards would be out so I'd have plenty of performance at 1440p. I think I got one of the last $500 1080 cards. And at the time I thought it was stupidly expansive. Figured I'd have it for 3 or 4 months.
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I did something similar. I had a pair of G1/OC/970's in a SLI setup that just could just barely play at 4k w/o a lot setting compromises for most games. Still rocked at 1080p/90-110 fps though. In preparation for future-proofing and some good BF deals I made my 4930k rig while salvaging parts from the 2600k build. I moved the 970's and coupled them with a 780OC edition for physX. Games that used phsyX rocked 60fps in 4kl but otherwise they were in the 30-40 range. After 2 years of waiting I went all in on a pair of G1/OC/1080's right when they came out. Had to abandon the 780 due to the size of the 1080's. Does the job for most things at 60fps/4k but everyone knows how SLI support is on the way out. Eventually I put my 2600k build back together as I upgraded the 4930k and put back the old parts. I then decided to take a final plunge and got a 1080TI when it came out since performance was so close to the 1080SLI and a few other improvements as well. This rig is solid for 1440p, couldn't be happier. The 1080SLI rig gets the job done, but produces a lot of heat and the ongoing headaches of SLI support which puts me back in the boat of waiting for the next gen cards. I felt crazy when I got these cards, but I honestly can't believe the price increases they've gone thru.
 
A 1080ti does pretty good still however when HDMI 2.1 becomes standard I suspect people will need an increase to keep up: 4k/120hz

Hopefully in a year give or take when that becomes standard AMD will have a Vega replacement out and Nvidia will have the new gpu out along with possibly miner specific cards to help segment the market out between the dedicated miners and gamers.

Seems like there is enough market demand to build another FAB. That should help and not just the GPU market.
 
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I am still using a 970 - the few games I play are indies and not taxing my system, so it works fine. I am waiting for the next gen to be released before I upgrade. Actually, the wait isn't terrible for me. I have a 2600k system with a 1080p monitor. By the time I upgrade, I will likely go with a 4k monitor, some VR solution (want to do this but am held back by dad-type responsibilities), etc.
 
I wouldn't if I was Nvidia, as crypto miner snatch up everything all Nvidia will do is piss off its regular customer base (sorry cryto guys, your not here to stay, only until the gold runs out).

If you can't see what is bad with a temporary market snatching up all your product, leaving your normal customer base pissed off... Welp its too late for you.

I would be shocked if Nvidia did not have some kind of plan, even if it's just more production (a bad plan).
 
Whats the point of releasing new GPUs when last gen is still going for top dollar? The pessimist in me thinks there won't be any true innovation in this market until Crypto dies.
 
I was expecting a 1070 > 1160 rebadge at least.

nvidia is milking this shit.
 
odditory said:
They're not Intel, Jen-Hsun doesn't take his foot off the gas. They didn't have any pressure when they released the 1070/1080, 970/980, 770/780, 670/680, go as far back as you want.
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Is a lot of this true though? They didn't have pressure at any of those generations? Really? The 670/680 was getting it's ass handed to it by the 7950/7970, same with the 770/780 and 290/290X that killed them as well. It's been since the 980 maybe that AMD hasn't really been competing on the absolute top but they've still been strong in the mid-range markets.

For right now Nvidia is selling their two year old GPU's faster than they can make them and doing so at a higher price. They have no INCENTIVE to release anything.
 
Mut1ny said:
Is a lot of this true though? They didn't have pressure at any of those generations? Really? The 670/680 was getting it's ass handed to it by the 7950/7970, same with the 770/780 and 290/290X that killed them as well. It's been since the 980 maybe that AMD hasn't really been competing on the absolute top but they've still been strong in the mid-range markets.

For right now Nvidia is selling their two year old GPU's faster than they can make them and doing so at a higher price. They have no INCENTIVE to release anything.
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Cool. So what incentive did they have to release the 980? 1080? Why didn't they just keep coasting indefinitely if there was "no incentive"?
 
I think they just used games as a stepping stone to make wide use compute units that look like video cards. I think that's why they bought the 3dfx leftovers, so they wouldn't have someone else getting in the way of profits with scan line interleave during this process.
 
Mut1ny said:
Is a lot of this true though? They didn't have pressure at any of those generations? Really? The 670/680 was getting it's ass handed to it by the 7950/7970, same with the 770/780 and 290/290X that killed them as well. It's been since the 980 maybe that AMD hasn't really been competing on the absolute top but they've still been strong in the mid-range markets.

For right now Nvidia is selling their two year old GPU's faster than they can make them and doing so at a higher price. They have no INCENTIVE to release anything.
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There is one big problem with your logic. It costs BILLIONS to develop new GPUs. If the next generation is finished, like you seem to be implying, then it is incredibly stupid not to release them. All they would be doing is sitting on billion of dollars in R&D with no ROI. With how fast cards are selling there is no reason to believe that new cards wouldn't also sell. Hell, they could have both products going at once right now and they'd still sell everything that could be put out.
 
If game devs supported tensor cores, I would so buy the Titan V, but we know how that will go, hahahahaha.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Samsung and the other mobile phone makers buying out most of the memory production in the market? Seems like NVIDIA now has to pay a lot more than they used to for memory; "heated negotiations" like that, might be another reason as to why NVIDIA won't just slap out new video cards (as opposed to engineering samples).
 
I’m glad I got my 1080ti at launch when it was normal price.
 
Wow at first I was regretting my purchase of a GTC1080 SC that I got a WHILE ago but it’s like the best purchase I ever made. Better than when I bought 2001 mustang in 2013 with 90k miles for $1800.
 
Cmdrmonkey said:
They’re raking in money hand over fist as miners and gamers fight over their cards, and have no real pressure from AMD from a performance standpoint, so why would they release anything new?
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Luckily my GTX 1070 still does good in most games at 1440P. At this point Nvidia is largely competing with themselves. If their follow up isn't that great I think many will probably continue using their 1070/1080s.
 
Derangel said:
There is one big problem with your logic. It costs BILLIONS to develop new GPUs. If the next generation is finished, like you seem to be implying, then it is incredibly stupid not to release them. All they would be doing is sitting on billion of dollars in R&D with no ROI. With how fast cards are selling there is no reason to believe that new cards wouldn't also sell. Hell, they could have both products going at once right now and they'd still sell everything that could be put out.
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Couple reasons I'd guess.

their long term customer base (everyone but miners) will end up incredibly pissed off with Nvidia that they can't get one at or around MSRP and they know that. Not a good business move to alienate your core consumer for a temporary market, even if it's profitable in the short term.

With crypto buying all the gpus they can make, they are not hurting for profit. As long as mining is profitable, miners will snap up everything they can.

Tech companies have shown the ability and willingness to sit on tech advancements for long periods of time depending on market conditions.

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It would be foolish to push new tech out the door when your competition has nothing on you and your product is already selling like hot cakes. If your ahead in the game you can keep funding R&D and hold tech in reserve to could counter your competition, or for any other strategic reason.
 
Aireoth said:
Couple reasons I'd guess.

their long term customer base (everyone but miners) will end up incredibly pissed off with Nvidia that they can't get one at or around MSRP and they know that. Not a good business move to alienate your core consumer for a temporary market, even if it's profitable in the short term.

With crypto buying all the gpus they can make, they are not hurting for profit. As long as mining is profitable, miners will snap up everything they can.

Tech companies have shown the ability and willingness to sit on tech advancements for long periods of time depending on market conditions.

Summation

It would be foolish to push new tech out the door when your competition has nothing on you and your product is already selling like hot cakes. If your ahead in the game you can keep funding R&D and hold tech in reserve to could counter your competition, or for any other strategic reason.
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If what AIBs told Gamers Nexus is right Nvidia might not be selling as many chip as you'd expect. They're making a lot of money, even without raising their prices, but it sounds like the big problem is memory. AIBs have chips, they have coolers, they have PCBs, etc, what they don't have is GDDR5. If Nvidia really did have production of GP102 chips shut down late last year, and hasn't restarted it, I think that says a lot about chip demand, and stock, for 1080 tis.
 
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