PlayStation 5 Forecasted for 2020 Launch

Etherton said:
but can it mine Crypto?

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You know I said that in jest but if they really want to move some consoles, why not? Like they give a crap what they're used for once sold. Release an app (or whatever the fuck they need) that allows mining and profit.
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I actually quite surprised that the newer consoles haven't been rooted to do this. I'm imagine a 4.2 TFLOP (Playstation 4 Pro) or 6 TFLOP GPU (XBox One X) with access to >= 8GB DDR5 would be appealing, especially at current asking prices...
 
bugleyman said:
Tens of millions of Playstation owners?

Oh wait...you meant you don't care, and since only you matter...
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Nope.... I don't care. Owned to many shitty electronics by Sony that failed to care what they do any more.

This is [H].... Go read IGN.
 
hlfbkd420 said:
Nope.... I don't care. Owned to many shitty electronics by Sony that failed to care what they do any more.
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You said "Nope"...only to go on to confirm that it is, in fact, you that doesn't care. Do you know what "Nope" means?
hlfbkd420 said:
This is [H].... Go read IGN.
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As it happens, I have a PC, a PS4, and an XBox one, and I'm not going to go elsewhere because Sony hurt your fweelings.

Nice chat though.
 
bugleyman said:
You said "Nope"...only to go on to confirm that it is, in fact, you that doesn't care. Do you know what "Nope" means?


As it happens, I have a PC, a PS4, and an XBox one, and I'm not going to go elsewhere because Sony hurt your fweelings.

Nice chat though.
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Reading comprehension must be hard... You said "you mean you don't care.." Nope, is an entirely appropriate response, because yes, you are right, I DON'T care... It's one sentence, as in, "no, I do not care". Not an answer to your missing question.. Read smarter, not harder.

I'm sorry I offended you and millions of Playstation sheeple on a PC website.

My feelings aren't hurt.. I asked a tongue in cheek question, you are the one who took offense to it by calling me out. I didn't have any problem with my original post, unlike yourself.
 
hlfbkd420 said:
Reading comprehension must be hard... You said "you mean you don't care.." Nope, is an entirely appropriate response, because yes, you are right, I DON'T care... It's one sentence, as in, "no, I do not care". Not an answer to your missing question.. Read smarter, not harder.

I'm sorry I offended you and millions of Playstation sheeple on a PC website.

My feelings aren't hurt.. I didn't have any problem with my original post, unlike yourself.
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You're right...I definitely write "nope" when I mean yes. (y)

P.S. I'm not offended. I was pointing out that your comment was dismissive and exclusionary, and might be taken by such by others. This is called empathy. Now, "sheeple" on the other hand? That makes you giant tool. ;)
 
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bugleyman said:
You're right...I definitely write "nope" when I mean yes. (y)

P.S. I'm not offended. I was pointing out that your comment was dismissive and exclusionary, and might be taken by such by others. This is called empathy. Now, "sheeple" on the other hand? That makes you giant tool. ;)
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Yes, I don't care.

Nope, I don't care.

The first doesn't sound so good..

Your post cracked me up though. Good show. What is this empathy you speak of?
 
NeoNemesis said:
I figured that the industry would move towards incremental updates like the PS4 Pro and XBox One X.

They could gradually phase out the original PS4’s support for newer games. This would allow for seamless backwards compatibility while at the same time allow developers to implement more demanding graphics and better FPS in new titles.
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In other words what PC has been doing since the beginning?
 
bugleyman said:
I actually quite surprised that the newer consoles haven't been rooted to do this. I'm imagine a 4.2 TFLOP (Playstation 4 Pro) or 6 TFLOP GPU (XBox One X) with access to >= 8GB DDR5 would be appealing, especially at current asking prices...
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No doubt. Price wise and a neat all-in-one package. Should be a no brainer. Now leave my GPU prices alone!
 
Etherton said:
No doubt. Price wise and a neat all-in-one package. Should be a no brainer. Now leave my GPU prices alone!
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Right? You don't even have to put them together!

I guess the security has proven tamper-resistant, at least so far? I just can't see how that could be the case given the amount of money on the table...

Owwwww! Conspiracy theory time: The consoles have been cracked, but the few who have succeeded have stayed quiet.
 
I'd consider making the switch to consoles (again) if 60 fps becomes the standard. I'm not overly picky about resolution, the checkerboard stuff that I've seen on the PS4 Pro is adequate for me, but it's that 30 fps which I can't get used to.
 
I am so old, every time someone says Jaguar(refering to the cpu in modern consoles) I think:
 

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SeymourGore said:
I'd consider making the switch to consoles (again) if 60 fps becomes the standard. I'm not overly picky about resolution, the checkerboard stuff that I've seen on the PS4 Pro is adequate for me, but it's that 30 fps which I can't get used to.
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Depending on the type of game, I agree. Hell, for most games, I'd take 720p/60 over 1080p/30!
 
I’m also thinking a Q4 2020 launch window.

Personally my armchair thoughts are:

Ryzen 2+ 4C/8T
Vega 2 (equivalent to Vega 56?)
16GB GDDR5x with custom additiona
1TB HDD

OS will start being similar to iOS or Android where updates are pushed across a line of consoles to streamline development costs.

Fully backwards compatibility with PS4 with PS4 games being easily identifiable tiles. PS Store would be the same with different sections, where PS4 wouldn’t have the option to download PS5 games but still be visible (for advertisements more or less)

VR package built into the system so all you need is the headset. Support for FreeSync and fully HDMI 2.x compliant.

Effectively make it extremely easy for developers to transition over using x86.

MSRP for 399.99

Not happening but I’d like to see some sort of 16GB built in flash variant or extremely fast flash for the OS. Built in dust filters in a slide out mesh similar to what computer cases have these days but meh.
 
I tried to tell people all last year that no ps5 was coming in 2017 or 2018. I've been saying 2020 with a possibility of 19 all along.
 
next-Jin said:
I’m also thinking a Q4 2020 launch window.

Personally my armchair thoughts are:

Ryzen 2+ 4C/8T
Vega 2 (equivalent to Vega 56?)
16GB GDDR5x with custom additiona
1TB HDD

OS will start being similar to iOS or Android where updates are pushed across a line of consoles to streamline development costs.

Fully backwards compatibility with PS4 with PS4 games being easily identifiable tiles. PS Store would be the same with different sections, where PS4 wouldn’t have the option to download PS5 games but still be visible (for advertisements more or less)

VR package built into the system so all you need is the headset. Support for FreeSync and fully HDMI 2.x compliant.

Effectively make it extremely easy for developers to transition over using x86.

MSRP for 399.99

Not happening but I’d like to see some sort of 16GB built in flash variant or extremely fast flash for the OS. Built in dust filters in a slide out mesh similar to what computer cases have these days but meh.
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I agree with you mostly but I believe we're going to start to see over $499.99 become more common by then for the high end console tiers. Maybe, just maybe some kind of wifi nic since the new standards should be rolled out by then.
 
seems like game consoles are always lagging on the hardware. idk why ppl buy into the ps4 pro because it's just a gimmick to me. no UHD player, a larger HD which you can upgrade yourself, 4k stream etc. they'll never bring back backwards compatibility because they don't make $$$ from that. this is the reason i didnt buy the ps4 until 2016 and yet still use my fat ps3 today. i'll just have to wait for 2025 for the ps5
 
spacecowboy863 said:
seems like game consoles are always lagging on the hardware. idk why ppl buy into the ps4 pro because it's just a gimmick to me. no UHD player, a larger HD which you can upgrade yourself, 4k stream etc. they'll never bring back backwards compatibility because they don't make $$$ from that. this is the reason i didnt buy the ps4 until 2016 and yet still use my fat ps3 today. i'll just have to wait for 2025 for the ps5
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Wrong, you can't upgrade the HD on the PS4 Pro. It's a maximum fixed 4k UHD.
 
spacecowboy863 said:
seems like game consoles are always lagging on the hardware. idk why ppl buy into the ps4 pro because it's just a gimmick to me. no UHD player, a larger HD which you can upgrade yourself, 4k stream etc. they'll never bring back backwards compatibility because they don't make $$$ from that. this is the reason i didnt buy the ps4 until 2016 and yet still use my fat ps3 today. i'll just have to wait for 2025 for the ps5
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There is limited to no backwards compatibility with the PS3 due to the fact that the PS4 has completely different CPU and GPU architectures from the PS3.
The only reason the PS3 (first-generation only) was able to play all PS2 games was because there was PS2 hardware (MIPS EmotionEngine) embedded within it, and the same was with the PS2 and having PS1 hardware within it.

The PS4 does not have a Cell/PPC processor, or any of the rest of the PS3's hardware within it, meaning everything would have to be emulated, and the PS4 (even the Pro) isn't really powerful enough to do that level of emulation properly, assuming the PS3 games aren't ported or modified to run on the PS4 natively.
That's on the technical side, though, but on the business side, you aren't entirely out of the ballpark. ;)


ZodaEX said:
Wrong, you can't upgrade the HD on the PS4 Pro. It's a maximum fixed 4k UHD.
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I think he meant the HDD, which is indeed upgradeable.
 
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Yar nice thing about PlayStation 4 is that the internal hdd is designed to be user upgradeable.

No voided warranty there.
 
Makes me feel old. Seems like only yesterday I was playing hockey on my Playstation while stationed in Okinawa, 1996.
 
hlfbkd420 said:
Who cares?
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I had my original XBox One before it was officially released and it sat collecting dust two weeks after Destiny until Final Fantasy 15. Beat that, and just let my stepson have it. No desire for consoles anymore.
 
OrangeKhrush said:
I assume people that still see the value in console gaming, there are some genres that are much better on the console
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How does the device change the game? If the same game runs on both console and PC, what makes it better on the console? Since you can connect a controller to the PC to play the game, you can't even use that as a reason.

This is just a baseless statement born in the dark ages of consoles, when some kid ran out of arguments defending his console.
 
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Fine by me. I just want it to be a real next-gen system and not something like the PS4 Pro. I have no desire for games to be developed for old hardware with "optional" upgrades potentially being available for PS4.5 owners.
 
ZodaEX said:
Who said UHD? I did herp derp, learn how to read. And no, HD stands for high definition. HDD stands for hard drive.
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You are technically right, but the way it was implied in the original post was meant to be a HDD, which is upgradeable. ;)
 
M76 said:
How does the device change the game? If the same game runs on both console and PC, what makes it better on the console? Since you can connect a controller to the PC to play the game, you can't even use that as a reason.

This is just a baseless statement born in the dark ages of consoles, when some kid ran out of arguments defending his console.
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The main reason is for console exclusives.
Also, as of within the last few months only, GPU prices have skyrocketed making PC gaming for those who don't already have high-end GPUs almost unviable at the current prices for new builds, sadly.

Outside of that, though, I agree.
 
Red Falcon said:
The main reason is for console exclusives.
Also, as of within the last few months only, GPU prices have skyrocketed making PC gaming for those who don't already have high-end GPUs almost unviable at the current prices for new builds, sadly.

Outside of that, though, I agree.
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Well a game that doesn't exist on PC is hard to compare. If I could count how many times I wished that some games were also available for PC so I could thoroughly enjoy them. In some cases that happens and it's a world of difference, so I'm convinced that if a game is properly ported to PC it will be better. Except when it is a half assed cashgrab running almost as an emulator made by konami or other garbage japenese company)

GPU prices won't make gaming better on consoles, just cheaper. It's still a compromise, a financially appealing one.
 
next-Jin said:
I’m also thinking a Q4 2020 launch window.

Personally my armchair thoughts are:

Ryzen 2+ 4C/8T
Vega 2 (equivalent to Vega 56?)
16GB GDDR5x with custom additiona
1TB HDD

OS will start being similar to iOS or Android where updates are pushed across a line of consoles to streamline development costs.

Fully backwards compatibility with PS4 with PS4 games being easily identifiable tiles. PS Store would be the same with different sections, where PS4 wouldn’t have the option to download PS5 games but still be visible (for advertisements more or less)

VR package built into the system so all you need is the headset. Support for FreeSync and fully HDMI 2.x compliant.

Effectively make it extremely easy for developers to transition over using x86.

MSRP for 399.99

Not happening but I’d like to see some sort of 16GB built in flash variant or extremely fast flash for the OS. Built in dust filters in a slide out mesh similar to what computer cases have these days but meh.
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Offering different specs for the sake of discussion..

I think hardware backwards-compatibility will be thrown out the window for having the best hardware so---ARM/NVIDIA.

ARM is a Japanese owned company now and all the game consoles (as well as mobile games) sold in Japan now are ARM based except PS4, I expect the Japanese game industry will consolidate around ARM next-gen.

ARM will offer superior efficiency over x86 Ryzen and NVIDIA will have custom ARM cores than can match a console grade Ryzen's performance.

Additionally, the ARM/NVIDIA hardware will allow a scaled down SoC later to be used in a PS5 portable to compete with Switch.

NVIDIA is a lot bigger and more powerful company now compared to last time console contracts were made. NVIDIA has the best GPU tech and will offer a more cable, plus energy efficient GPU than AMD by one generation. NVIDIA can get PS5 just for the PR win and make the deal at break even or small profit to counter AMD's cheap prices.

Softbank, the Japanese company that owns ARM, has also invested $4 billion in NVIDIA and has partnered with Sony before to sell its phone, as well offer ties to major mobile gaming partnerships like Tencent. I see this common Japanese thread for PS5.

Backwards-compatibility will come through emulation later and Sony will offer 4K remasters and collections the first years.

2020 expected launch.

Well, that was my out of the box expectation.
 
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I'm more excited about the PlayStation then the pile o shit that Xbox has become. Can't even navigate the menu system without lag.

Plus ps actually has some really good exclusives!
 
Neo_East said:
Offering different specs for the sake of discussion..

I think hardware backwards-compatibility will be thrown out the window for having the best hardware so---ARM/NVIDIA.

ARM is a Japanese owned company now and all the game consoles (as well as mobile games) sold in Japan now are ARM based except PS4, I expect the Japanese game industry will consolidate around ARM next-gen.

ARM will offer superior efficiency over x86 Ryzen and NVIDIA will have custom ARM cores than can match a console grade Ryzen's performance.

Additionally, the ARM/NVIDIA hardware will allow a scaled down SoC later to be used in a PS5 portable to compete with Switch.

NVIDIA is a lot bigger and more powerful company now compared to last time console contracts were made. NVIDIA has the best GPU tech and will offer a more cable, plus energy efficient GPU than AMD by one generation. NVIDIA can get PS5 just for the PR win and make the deal at break even or small profit to counter AMD's cheap prices.

Softbank, the Japanese company that owns ARM, has also invested $4 billion in NVIDIA and has partnered with Sony before to sell its phone, as well offer ties to major mobile gaming partnerships like Tencent. I see this common Japanese thread for PS5.

Backwards-compatibility will come through emulation later and Sony will offer 4K remasters and collections the first years.

2020 expected launch.

Well, that was my out of the box expectation.
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I’d agree. Nvidia, unlike years past, is now opening to licensing its IP to 3rd parties. While Sony is out of the SoC race, they may still have enough pride and design teams to insist on a semi custom ARM CPU with Nvidia GPU IP.

Of course, this doesn’t mean AMD RTG is closed to the concept, either, but I do expect ARM to power the CPUs of all next gen consoles.
 
jeremyshaw said:
I’d agree. Nvidia, unlike years past, is now opening to licensing its IP to 3rd parties. While Sony is out of the SoC race, they may still have enough pride and design teams to insist on a semi custom ARM CPU with Nvidia GPU IP.

Of course, this doesn’t mean AMD RTG is closed to the concept, either, but I do expect ARM to power the CPUs of all next gen consoles.
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Totally. Sony could work with NVIDIA to adapt a custom ARM core specifically for use in PS5 along with its GPU, and the result would be a beautiful, state of the art, next-gen console SoC design.

Could I ask you to please expand upon your conviction for ARM in consoles?

I am certainly of this conviction, but I am looking for more ammunition to counter the vicious assaults from precious-x86 defenders that insist some form of Ryzen will be used, and that the suggestion of ARM is completely unfounded and ludicrous.

Thanks.
 
Etherton said:
but can it mine Crypto?

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You know I said that in jest but if they really want to move some consoles, why not? Like they give a crap what they're used for once sold. Release an app (or whatever the fuck they need) that allows mining and profit.
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You can already mine crypto on consoles. An Xbox One gets about 14H/s. Not Mh/s. Not Gh/s. H/s.
 
SeymourGore said:
Yar nice thing about PlayStation 4 is that the internal hdd is designed to be user upgradeable.

No voided warranty there.
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The nicer thing is that you don't even have to do that anymore unless you just REALLY want to. I think firmware 4.50 and up allows for external USB hard drives for game installs now. Of course Xbone had it all along, but we won't dwell on that. Of course the first thing I personally did with my PS4 launch console was to upgrade the internal HDD :)

I don't think Sony needs to rush to put the PS5 out... even if it did something neat like 4k/60 without checkerboarding, I bet half the consumers wouldn't really notice the difference. And 8k is so far off it's not a big concern at this stage.

I also wonder if the next versions will see the exit of the optical drive. Neither Sony nor MS would shed a single tear to eliminate game resale. Gamestop wouldn't be happy about it, but screw them anyway. I know that I was a staunch supporter of optical just for the game resale purpose. But I find that I've become a hypocrite, as I've started to buy more and more games digital.
 
Neo_East said:
Totally. Sony could work with NVIDIA to adapt a custom ARM core specifically for use in PS5 along with its GPU, and the result would be a beautiful, state of the art, next-gen console SoC design.

Could I ask you to please expand upon your conviction for ARM in consoles?

I am certainly of this conviction, but I am looking for more ammunition to counter the vicious assaults from precious-x86 defenders that insist some form of Ryzen will be used, and that the suggestion of ARM is completely unfounded and ludicrous.

Thanks.
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Here's a round of ammo for you: most modern ARMv8 and v8.2 CPU cores are actually faster core-for-core and clock-for-clock than the AMD Jaguar x86_64 cores from 2013, both in integer and floating point operations.
The Apple A11 hexa-core ARM CPU (4 big, 2 little) in the iPhone X, which is, in full-SMP, around 40% faster than the 8-core AMD Jaguar; granted that this is an Apple in-house design, but it might be possible with the ARM Cortex A57 or A75 and above processors.

That's not a small amount of processing power in difference - 40% is quite a bit, and that is a mobile processor from 2017.
The biggest limitation in these consoles is, sadly, the CPU, and using one that is so much more capable, customizable, and more cost-effective, would make it a clear winner from the data that we've seen so far.

The AMD Jaguar x86_64 CPU definitely got the job done for this era of 30-60fps 1080p console-gaming content, but for 4K and above resolutions, more CPU is going to be needed, and this same opinion has been backed by quite a few AAA game developers for both the PS4 and XBone.
 
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