Reviews for AMD’s APU Ryzen 2400G are in.

I got my 2400G and ASRock B350 ITX board yesterday. I measured the Wraith Stealth at 48mm, going from the flat surface that mates with the CPU. Shorter than the previous measurements reported, not sure if I'm measuring it differently?

Ordered from Newegg and the board was advertised as Ryzen 2000 series ready, sure enough it all worked right out of the box, it has BIOS 4.40.

I also ordered a Cryorig C7 and Noctua L9a-AM4 but they haven't shown up yet. Not really impressed by the Wraith Stealth; it doesn't seem especially loud, but it's also just a simple block of aluminum. I guess it works alright, but the BIOS on this board was stuck reporting a CPU temp of 127.5C immediately on boot, so I can't really gauge its effectiveness. Not sure what that's about, but it might make it difficult for me to do an actual comparison.

This is my first AM4 setup so I was a bit surprised to see that the Wraith Stealth install required removing the traditional AM4 brackets and screwing it directly to the retention backplate.

I saw some complaints about wifi performance on it but I didn't have any issues last night - it's using an Intel 3168-AC chip, which is 1x1, so it isn't as fast as the 8260/8265, but I'm not having any signal strength issues like others reported. I've got a couple older systems with Intel 3160-AC and they have been fine as well, I guess YMMV with the wifi. Didn't take the module off of the board to check but it looks like it's a vertical M2 slot underneath the shield, with two screws on the bottom of the board to release it. Shouldn't be difficult to replace if that's your cup of coffee.

Also I guess the USB 3.1 stuff with this board is weird. The website says it supports 3.1, and the chipset supports 3.1 gen1 and gen2, but it looks like ASRock didn't implement the gen2 on the board. The I/O backplate just calls them 3.0 ports, which I guess is more accurate, but I didn't know about this until after I ordered the board. Seems like a weird omission since the chipset already has support for gen2.

Lack of a DP output wasn't an issue for me - it might end up connected to a 1080p TV or driving a 1440p monitor at most, which the HDMI ports can do just fine, but I could see how not having a 4k60 output capability would be a turn-off for a lot. Also seems like an odd decision.

Anyways, board seems nice overall. Really impressed - I'd had some bad experiences with a series of ASRock boards in the Ivy/Haswell era, but I figured it was time to give them another try and so far I'm glad I did.
 
I still wanted to do like the 1800x and like the Taichi or something. build that man lol
 
I picked up a 2400G and Gigabyte AB350 Gaming 3 recently. I got that board not because it's the best thing in the world, but because it was an open box for $28 at Micro Center. I updated the bios with a Ryzen 1600 which I have since sold. For RAM I just have some 2666 which I know will limit performance, but I'd rather not spend $250 for just marginally better RAM now.

So far I did try Doom and it seemed to have some issues at first under DirectX. 1080p low or medium would give about 10fps. I switched to Vulkan and all of a sudden I was 30-40 most of the time. I'm not sure what happened there. It may be a problem in my set up. This is with AA turned off and I shut off vsync because fps was low already. This seems to be a similar fps to an old GTX 580 I tried on another Ryzen computer a while ago. If you look at it that way then that's pretty impressive. The 580 is a 200+ watt gpu and was a monster in it's day.

Rise of the Tomb Raider seemed to run OK at 1080p but now I can't remember if that was low or medium and I think I turned off the hair setting and some other things. By Ok I mean in the 30 fps or so range. This may be barely playable to others.

For cooling I picked up a Silent Wraith from ebay. There is one seller with tons of them for $17.59. These are new with TIM on them so they are ready to go. See item 323086322322.
If you get one then you can keep the AM4 retention brackets in place.
The temps are probably pretty low with this thing but I haven't monitored while gaming. It's huge compared to the old Phenom II coolers which had a 70mm fan that sounded like a buzz saw. The wraith fan is 92mm and much quieter.
The Gigabyte fan curve was a bit aggressive and the temps seemed to fluctuate a bit so the fan was going up and down a lot. The noise wasn't too bad, but fluctuations were a pain to listen to so I changed the curve to Silent in the bios. That made things much better. Just a tip if you have a Gigabyte board.
 
pgaster said:
So far I did try Doom and it seemed to have some issues at first under DirectX. 1080p low or medium would give about 10fps. I switched to Vulkan and all of a sudden I was 30-40 most of the time. I'm not sure what happened there. It may be a problem in my set up.
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nope not your setup, its the game not playing nice with the apus ogl. seen it before on yt and zalazin got the same thing. either the driver or game needs updating.
 
Do not recommend using OpenGL for anything, ever, unless as a last resort.

With Vulkan available, it will hopefully (and rightfully) be abandoned.
 
I am still waiting for the laptops. Where are they?
 
dgz said:
I am still waiting for the laptops. Where are they?
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Hp and Asus right now, I'm sure there will be more. The Asus looks nice but I'm waiting for an xfr (25w) 2700u, not the 15w in the asus.
 
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Hp and Asus right now, I'm sure there will be more. The Asus looks nice but I'm waiting for an xfr (25w) 2700u, not the 15w in the asus.
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Same boat as you. I've been without a laptop for over year and a half now. I've been waiting on AMD for a long time :D
 
does that lenovo use single channel ram though? if so, it'll hurt performance
 
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Was thinking clearing out lower Bin cpus. Apparently HP has 68 SKUs which is a lot even considering configuration. The desktop part (2400G) is amazing. I got 4.1 Ghz stable and good scores on the OC.
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Almost makes me wanna stick one in my good old Node 304.
 
Spent some more time with my build over the weekend, doing a paint job on the ISK 110 and re-assembling everything. Couple things I noticed.

On my ultrawide, the thing is outputting 3440x1440@60Hz. Previous systems I had without HDMI 2.0 could only push this to 50Hz. Not sure what that means; I figured the board was HDMI 2.0 capable depending on the APU in use, but the specs were typed up before Ryzen APUs were released, so it has out of date info. Unless someone knows for certain? I don't have a 4k display to test that theory.

The Cryorig C7 is a little shorter than the Wraith Stealth as I measured it. It might fit, but mine didn't come with an AM4 bracket so I've got to wait on that before I can test it out. I did install the Noctua L9a-AM4 and that's working quite well; temperatures seem to be about the same from some really quick testing I did (single Heaven run), maybe 1-2C lower.

Just swapped it into the place of my main system so I can get some regular use of it. Might try to take the fan off the L9a and put a Prolimatech Vortex 12 on the case lid, to see if the extra wide airflow changes anything.
 
OEM parts are designed for the majority of casual users that don't know this from that so giving enough memory in single channel format saves money for a feature a layman may notice like better screen quality. These are not going to be used for gamers who already know to buy gaming level latptops. I actually don't mind these products, for the proposed usage they are rather cool.
 
Just got my 2400g. It wouldn't work at first. Forgot to put bios back to default and change graphics output to igpu. Glad I did as I used way too much thermal paste. The H80i cpu block / Ryxlzen CPU must be ultra flat!

Looking forward to tweaking this weekend!
 
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Anyone see some high overclocks on the 2400G?. I got mine stable at 4100 Mhz 1.4 volt CPU, 1600Mhz GPU. Haven't had much time with it yet.Voltage was way too high at default, had to manually set. This was a drop in to a previous R5 1600 build on the B350 Tomahawk.
Edit- Do have it under the Deep cool Captain "Overkill" 240EX so far stays under 75C.
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Can you share what voltage settings you put on the CPU and SoC for those clocks. I am always confused on what I should see in the BIOS, Cpu-z and LLC settings. I want to play around with my 2400g but I don't want to get to crazy on the volts.
 
You can leave it on auto for the CPU and use Ryzen Master but I had 1.4 volts set at 4.1 Ghz. I noticed my voltage way too high on auto and jumping all over the place and what do you know, the board bricked finally. Tried it with the R5 1600 and no go, got three beeps once then failboot . The board was intermittent performing all along. Will try to RMA it and sell the board when it comes in. SOC setting was set at 1.25 V for 1600 Mhz on GPU. The Gfx Volts will follow the SOC Gfx setting. Hopefully both chips will be OK. Ordering an Asrock iTX.
 
Thanks man. I might still use the BIOS, but I will make sure the volts stay down. I have an a asrock b350m tuf.
 
gigaxtreme1 Been liking my ASRock B350 ITX board so far. BIOS has some kind of bug with temp reporting but Ryzen Master showed everything correctly.

Have you tried any undervolting? I tried a 50mv/35mv drop for CPU/SOC and it seemed fine, but as soon as I tried the next tier up (100/70) I got hard locks.

Also at defaults been having an odd HDMI sleep issue where the system doesn't fully enter sleep, but won't wake up with keyboard/mouse. If I hold the power button it goes fully to sleep, then I can wake it up with another power button press.

Could be ASRock thing, could be something else?
 
Its an innate guy thing to console ourselves our toys are tools. We only need a car, but our psyche pushes us toward a truck, which feels foolish unless we invent an interest in boating also :)

I dont even game as an excuse for pc power. Mega spreadsheets to keep track of my assets? I wish. Rendering? I am confident the apu will punch well above its weight in time.

Its clear many here get ~as much fun; building, twiddling the knobs, benchmarking and exploring esoteric nooks and crannies as they do from gaming itself, and why not? - its wonderful intellectual exercise.

A new pc is a toy for me, except as an educational tool, but that is no small thing. I love this stuff. There are far worse vices.

The Zen Vega APU is a tightly integrated single die cutting edge platform to explore, learn and experiment with, using the same processors and ecosystem as some of the most advanced hyper rigs on the planet. Its amdS crown jewels in a single lean module. All that is missing is gpu cache and HBCC afaik - huge fun to just play with.

That said, for gods sake spend the lousy extra $70 on the 2400g, and get the full toybox as well as the obvious extras. Stay in the ecosystem mainstream, which includes smt/threading e.g.


The APU's ~price point alternative is a; dreary, futureless old tech cpu & dgpu for little if any gaming gain. None of that learning curve will have future relevance.

Unless u spend $300 more on the discrete route, dont bother. Live with an apu. It will improve in time far more than we are accustomed to. Its a mother lode of tweaks waiting to be mined by coders.


Life is short. Time is our most precious asset. Dont invest your time in learning curves that go nowhere.

intel and nvidia have no choice but to emulate amdS modular architecture, so amd is the best learning platform.

I would also say from my experience, there is a belated depressing effect of expensive purchases. You cant bring yourself to discard them, so they act as constant reminders of the cost then vs now.
 
I cant believe the lack of interest/excitement about the recently announced native bootable nvme raid on am4 400 series boards. It may even apply to all am4 moboS.

To recap the 4x pcie3 lane nvme situation on am4 apuS afaik, most have one native port, and all have 8x pcie3 lanes free to add up to 2 more drives.
 
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I cant believe the lack of interest/excitement about the recently announced native bootable nvme raid on am4 400 series boards.
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I'm not even really excited about booting off of a single NVMe drive- they're expensive, and for OS/App installs, not any faster than a SATA drive (M.2 or otherwise).

But I'd certainly put them to work if I had an application that could use the bandwidth!
 
msroadkill612 said:
I cant believe the lack of interest/excitement about the recently announced native bootable nvme raid on am4 400 series boards. It may even apply to all am4 moboS.

To recap the 4x pcie3 lane nvme situation on am4 apuS afaik, most have one native port, and all have 8x pcie3 lanes free to add up to 2 more drives.
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cool they're adding it but quite frankly it doesn't interest me at all nor does it effect the vast majority of users.. i'm sure the benchmark kiddies will enjoy it though.
 
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Yes really IMO.

Are you saying there is only one way to code - the unimprovable dgpu pci bus way?

How can you possibly know?

There has never before been such a tightly integrated apu of such power, processor cache coherency and latency and on a bus like Fabric.

The; memory controller, cpu & gpu no longer use the legacy pci bus, and connect over relatively tiny distances.

Its fresh from the ground up, processors too.

Why would coders NOT have new and better ways of improving, compared to coding for the rats nest of gaming platforms with roots from a decade + ago, and it only gets better with apiS afaik.

Zen and the apu'S crushing perf/$ at the big volume entry level practically guarantees a large, homogeneous & lucrative market for coders to enhance their product for.

The alternative market to optimise code for, is a rats nest of combinations of cpu & gpu. More can be achieved with less by fine tuning the all new options presented by zen vega apuS.

APUs seem relatively weak because nobody yet plays to their strengths, but they will.

Memory bandwidth is sure a problem if the coder assumes its high and its not. If he acknowledges it's not so for apuS, he can find other methods from the strengths apuS introduce.

Sure its version one for the integrated apu as a whole, but it's component zen & vega have been evolving & maturing in the market place for ~1 year. The apuS zen side is to mostintents, the zen+ refresh w/o the new 12nm process. Its much improved on ryzens implementation of zen on the zeppelin die.
 
msroadkill612 said:
I cant believe the lack of interest/excitement about the recently announced native bootable nvme raid on am4 400 series boards. It may even apply to all am4 moboS.

To recap the 4x pcie3 lane nvme situation on am4 apuS afaik, most have one native port, and all have 8x pcie3 lanes free to add up to 2 more drives.
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I thought you already could boot off nvme?!
 
sirmonkey1985 said:
cool they're adding it but quite frankly it doesn't interest me at all nor does it effect the vast majority of users.. i'm sure the benchmark kiddies will enjoy it though.
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I don't like cucumber FYI.

Exactly. Nobody could possibly want storage so fast it blurs the boundaries between memory and storage. Its obvious that nobody uses it - oh wait - it didnt really exist as an option til ~now.

Intel pretend they have multiple native nvme ports and raid on their chipset, but its limited to the chipset's bandwidth - which is about that of a single good nvme.

An engineer's comment I saw was that her TR workstation boots from a triple raid 0 array, and totally blitzes her colleague's rigs.

Vega Hbcc (not included with the apu) btw, allows such arrays to be used as gpu cache extenders, for ~unlimited (512TB) gpu memory address space. You would be surprised how many desire this

DB8haur benched 8x raid on TR on youtube for ~28GB/s max read.

My mistake. I thought the world was desperately looking for more and more affordable ~memory.
 
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I'm not even really excited about booting off of a single NVMe drive- they're expensive, and for OS/App installs, not any faster than a SATA drive (M.2 or otherwise).

But I'd certainly put them to work if I had an application that could use the bandwidth!
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Well we are from different planets. We are talking about ~100 MB/s vs up to 3500MB/s. Access times, noise, power, heat, reliability differences are off the scale.

Yes HDD has an ongoing role for cheap, large ~static storage.
 
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I thought m.2 actually ran hotter. Boot times have shown to be very minimal in difference between nvme and ssd. They are faster in some real world apps. It might actually be worth the price difference now.

Again, this is referring to the capability of running nvme in raid. Cool as a novelty, but itis really meaningless to 99.8% of pc users.
 
msroadkill612 said:
Well we are from different planets. We are talking about ~100 MB/s vs up to 3500MB/s. Access times, noise, power, heat, reliability differences are off the scale.

Yes HDD has an ongoing role for cheap, large ~static storage.
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I do believe IIC was talking about Sata SSDs, not HDDs. In which case, he's entirely correct.

The only reason I love the M2 form factor is for the form factor.
 
msroadkill612 said:
Yes really IMO.

Are you saying there is only one way to code - the unimprovable dgpu pci bus way?

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All of this may be somewhat new for Personal Computers (but some of it isn't depending on how you define a Personal Computer) but all of these have been in workstations going back decades (some of the technology is new but the principles are not).

We are certainly benefitting from shrinking the size of the components allowing integration to occur at an unprecedented pace, but the principals you outlined in your post are certainly not new by any means.
 
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I got my 2400G and ASRock B350 ITX board yesterday. I measured the Wraith Stealth at 48mm, going from the flat surface that mates with the CPU. Shorter than the previous measurements reported, not sure if I'm measuring it differently?

Ordered from Newegg and the board was advertised as Ryzen 2000 series ready, sure enough it all worked right out of the box, it has BIOS 4.40.

I also ordered a Cryorig C7 and Noctua L9a-AM4 but they haven't shown up yet. Not really impressed by the Wraith Stealth; it doesn't seem especially loud, but it's also just a simple block of aluminum. I guess it works alright, but the BIOS on this board was stuck reporting a CPU temp of 127.5C immediately on boot, so I can't really gauge its effectiveness. Not sure what that's about, but it might make it difficult for me to do an actual comparison.

This is my first AM4 setup so I was a bit surprised to see that the Wraith Stealth install required removing the traditional AM4 brackets and screwing it directly to the retention backplate.

I saw some complaints about wifi performance on it but I didn't have any issues last night - it's using an Intel 3168-AC chip, which is 1x1, so it isn't as fast as the 8260/8265, but I'm not having any signal strength issues like others reported. I've got a couple older systems with Intel 3160-AC and they have been fine as well, I guess YMMV with the wifi. Didn't take the module off of the board to check but it looks like it's a vertical M2 slot underneath the shield, with two screws on the bottom of the board to release it. Shouldn't be difficult to replace if that's your cup of coffee.

Also I guess the USB 3.1 stuff with this board is weird. The website says it supports 3.1, and the chipset supports 3.1 gen1 and gen2, but it looks like ASRock didn't implement the gen2 on the board. The I/O backplate just calls them 3.0 ports, which I guess is more accurate, but I didn't know about this until after I ordered the board. Seems like a weird omission since the chipset already has support for gen2.

Lack of a DP output wasn't an issue for me - it might end up connected to a 1080p TV or driving a 1440p monitor at most, which the HDMI ports can do just fine, but I could see how not having a 4k60 output capability would be a turn-off for a lot. Also seems like an odd decision.

Anyways, board seems nice overall. Really impressed - I'd had some bad experiences with a series of ASRock boards in the Ivy/Haswell era, but I figured it was time to give them another try and so far I'm glad I did.
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Interesting you went with the ASRock AB350 ITX for Raven Ridge given the lack of DisplayPort (which as you said, wasn't an issue for you), and some issues with BIOS 4.40 and the beta BIOS 4.43 that I've read about or experienced myself. I'm glad it's working fine for you, it's the same motherboard I use for my Summit Ridge Ryzen 5 1600 and it's been working great on BIOS 3.40. I'm glad you were able to get one updated out of the box, that saves you a potentially major headache.

I agree with you on the WiFi performance, the Intel 3168 wasn't bad at all for the week I used it. I swapped it out for an Intel 8265 shortly after, but for my everyday use I don't think I could complain about the 3168. Plus, the cost of the AB350 ITX and an Intel 8265 off Amazon was still less than the cost of the X370 ITX board by itself, and that uses a 7265. You are correct in that it is a vertical M.2 slot, you just need to unscrew the metal housing on the right side (careful of the capacitors in front of it), pull it up, remove the antennas, and pull out the WiFi card. Pretty simple operation, just wish the screw was a bit higher up on the housing.
 
Have not built any AMD systems since the AMD64 days, but the 2400G seems pretty intriguing to use in my new work desktop.

For a $400 computer to handle basic productivity tasks and web browsing, is there any better current option over a 2400G/B350 setup?
 
FRZ said:
Have not built any AMD systems since the AMD64 days, but the 2400G seems pretty intriguing to use in my new work desktop.

For a $400 computer to handle basic productivity tasks and web browsing, is there any better current option over a 2400G/B350 setup?
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doubt it, but I'm sure some Intel FanBoi will be visiting shortly.
 
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