PlayStation 5 Forecasted for 2020 Launch

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Echoing predictions by Wedbush Morgan’s Michael Pachter, NPD analyst Mat Piscatella believes that Sony could release the PlayStation 5 in 2020, which aligns somewhat with the brand’s launch history. While the PS4 could manage 100 million units sold by 2019, sales should be comparatively down from previous years, so a new system would make sense.

Sony is doing a good job with its software lineup though with fresh games that also release on a consistent basis. But how long can the company continue in this vein before releasing a brand-new console? “2020 is what I have in my forecast. The data suggest there’s no need to do it earlier. But I’ve been surprised before so I’m as interested in this as anyone,” he said.
 
I figured that the industry would move towards incremental updates like the PS4 Pro and XBox One X.

They could gradually phase out the original PS4’s support for newer games. This would allow for seamless backwards compatibility while at the same time allow developers to implement more demanding graphics and better FPS in new titles.
 
It should be relatively easy for Sony to make the PS5 backwards compatible with the PS4/Pro, as long as they keep using AMD for the CPU/GPU; considering that AMD is the only company that really makes higher end CPUs and GPUs in a tightly integrated package, they would have to actively mess things up to not get the contract again. By 2020 Global Foundries 7nm fab should be in full swing, so a chip with 4 to 8 Ryzen+ based cores & at least twice the GPU power as the current PS4 Pro should be easy to make. The CPU part is the most exciting; right now the old Jaguar cores in the PS4 (and Xbone) are really holding things back; even 4 current Ryzen cores would be a massive improvement, not to mention that Ryzen will be various tweaks and refinements between now and then.
 
man how fast do the years roll by. doest seem that long ago ps2 was prepping for launch.
tho i wish to hell sony does psn purchased games what ms is doing with backward compatible xbox live games
 
Hopefully the GDDR supply loosens up and prices drop by then, or this is going to be either, expensive, in short supply or both.
 
NeoNemesis said:
I figured that the industry would move towards incremental updates like the PS4 Pro and XBox One X.

They could gradually phase out the original PS4’s support for newer games. This would allow for seamless backwards compatibility while at the same time allow developers to implement more demanding graphics and better FPS in new titles.
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That would be optimal for us as consumers for sure. If you continue with AMD chips, there's no reason that backwards compatibility couldn't be easily maintained either. But that would make common sense, and most times Consoles tend to buck common sense.

I like your idea though. Even if they just said "New PS5 titles don't need backwards compatiibilty to play on PS4 consoles at all" - but kept the ability of the new console to play the older titles - I'd be more than ok with that as well. But I doubt it will happen, because they (the console makers, not just Sony) make a killing off re-selling old titles on newer platforms.
 
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NeoNemesis said:
I figured that the industry would move towards incremental updates like the PS4 Pro and XBox One X.

They could gradually phase out the original PS4’s support for newer games. This would allow for seamless backwards compatibility while at the same time allow developers to implement more demanding graphics and better FPS in new titles.
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Anyone who thought that wasn't thinking too hard about it. Those were just refreshes, enhanced versions. They have done this numerous times in the past, although this round they brought more improvements. There was always going to be a PS5. 2020 is predictable because a number of their exclusive games are not out yet, such as Death Stranding and Detroit Become Human. I expect the last few big exclusives to come in late 2018 to 2019. I suppose they will launch in the holiday season so that gives the system just under 3 years of life left.

Though I think backwards compatibility will again be a feature. The PS2 used fairly unique hardware, and the PS3 again did similar. The PS4 and likely PS5 would likely be similar.
 
Maybe but I don’t think so. 2020 puts the PS4 at 7 years old and PS4pro at 4 years old. That’s 3 years between revisions. Which could give the console cycle a 6 year term.

Or they go 8 years and release 2021. A long generation again same as 360/PS3 (05/06-2013. Right now their consoles are still selling extremely well and with the amount of games still in the pipeline I think it would be cannibalizing their own sales if they made any announcements too soon.

Of course I’m just talking out my ass I don’t really know anything.

Also going to echo that hopefully they’re planning to use an nice Custom AMD APU with Ryzen and Vega. Considering even the 2200G gives results above and beyond consoles.
 
Flogger23m said:
Though I think backwards compatibility will again be a feature. The PS2 used fairly unique hardware, and the PS3 again did similar. The PS4 and likely PS5 would likely be similar.
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The PS2 used a MIPS CPU, and the PS3 used a Cell/PPC CPU, where as the PS4 used an x86_64 CPU.
I highly doubt they would move to another processor ISA again which wouldn't, at least from a non-artificial technical standpoint, allow backwards compatibility, and I would imagine they would stick with x86_64 due to the costs.

Even if the GPU isn't vastly improved upon in their next console, I certainly hope the CPU will be improved as the AMD Jaguar, even at 2.3GHz in the Pro, is not enough to properly drive games at 60fps consistently or feed the GPU properly to support native 4K resolutions.
It's kind of funny to think that everyone says a dual-core CPU isn't enough to play games with, yet the 8-core (technically two 4-core CPUs on one die) AMD Jaguar @ 2.3GHz in the Pro is almost identical in full-SMP performance to a Haswell Core i3 @ 3GHz. :eek:

I'm not knocking the AMD Jaguar or anything, but it was considered to be a low-power CPU back in 2013 meant for embedded controllers and thin clients, let alone meant for gaming with!
But I do have to say that I'm very impressed with how much performance programmers and game designers have managed to squeeze out of it, especially in games like BloodBorne, even at just 30fps @ 1080p.


Fun fact: this post was made on a system with an AMD Jaguar! (y)
 
Well now that game devs know what to do with more than one CPU core, the next gen should be better initially.
 
Haha they will be able to do the incremental releases of new systems that are backward compatible but still release games with lower graphics for older systems. Kind of like playing the Smart Phone version of Final Fantasy XV.
 
NeoNemesis said:
I figured that the industry would move towards incremental updates like the PS4 Pro and XBox One X.

They could gradually phase out the original PS4’s support for newer games. This would allow for seamless backwards compatibility while at the same time allow developers to implement more demanding graphics and better FPS in new titles.
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I'd be surprised at this point if the ps5 and xbox two or whatever they end up calling it don't go that way. I kinda expect them to drop the ps4/xbox ones and lower the price of the ps4 pro/xbx as they get closer to the next gen. Unless arm really manages to bring out a product that competes(or the chinese with their mips processors somehow manage to make a good product) I don't see either going away from x86 for a while at this point.
 
I think the new XboxTWO and PS5 will essentially play XBO and PS4 games natively, perhaps with even better enhancements than the XBOX or PS4P, but also have access to the new games made ONLY for the newer consoles.
 
KazeoHin said:
I think the new XboxTWO and PS5 will essentially play XBO and PS4 games natively, perhaps with even better enhancements than the XBOX or PS4P, but also have access to the new games made ONLY for the newer consoles.
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If Microsoft continues to ignore their firstparty problem then it's hard to imagine another Xbox gen. The new X seems to sit untouched on every store shelf I randomly see, while people buy the S because it's cheap, or a PS4/Pro because it has the exclusives.

I'll be surprised if Nadella greenlights another gen with the way he's purging all the consumer facing product lines.
 
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What do you all think? They're going to toss the rom drive out completely or what?
 
KazeoHin said:
I think the new XboxTWO and PS5 will essentially play XBO and PS4 games natively, perhaps with even better enhancements than the XBOX or PS4P, but also have access to the new games made ONLY for the newer consoles.
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I think MSFT might try to call the next one the Xbox 5, simply because of Scorpio. That is, unless if Sony does the same and calls it the PS6 - MSFT wouldn't want to appear 1 gen behind.
 
OrangeKhrush said:
I assume people that still see the value in console gaming, there are some genres that are much better on the console
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Please enlighten me what genres are better on a console over a streamlined living room PC.
 
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tetris42 said:
Please enlighten me what genres are better on a console over a streamlined living room PC.
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Streamlined living room PC is both costly and highly inefficient for matching what a console does, last time I owned a console major titles exclusive to console included Res Evil, Metal Gear, God of War and Gears of War, Final Fantasy, Sports games such as Fifa, Madden, Gran Turismo were mostly all better to play on console (excluding exclusive titles). the beauty of a console is that it is slim and sleek, and does what it is required to do, play games on a low budget.
 
2020-hmm let's look at this and its effect on PC gaming. We've been dealing with the issues of console ports for decades at this point and the backwards problems of their out of date resolution capabilities. MS seems to be doing alright with the most recent x-box 4k machine. Sure it's got its number of smoke and mirrors for pulling off its tricks but TBH not that much different than anyone with less than a 1080 has to do. Sony is a bit in the background for this. Ironically both have finally made it to a good experience for 1080p gaming. Many PC'ers still gaming 1080p also but even more so at higher frame rates. 1440p is really gaining a foothold too. 4k is still somewhat in infancy but I think teams NV and AMD's next gen will make great strides for it. Not saying some current consoles can't do some of these exotic res/frame combos but usually at significant compromises. I've read some interesting reviews about 'em.

Lets look forward to 2020 now. Already seeing demo's for numerous 8k devices(including glasses free 3d) and by then 4k/120-165hz should be fairly prominent and that seems about right for those kinds of tech to start becoming available at reasonable prices. By then high end gaming gpu's might be close to the needed performance tiers. At that point console's will probably still be trying to keep up with full 4k/60hz support and not just compromised settings/framerates. So to summarize to where I started with this: By 2020 we can commonly expect console ports that look good for 4k/60hz gaming to support the then gen. consoles.
 
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OrangeKhrush said:
Streamlined living room PC is both costly and highly inefficient for matching what a console does, last time I owned a console major titles exclusive to console included Res Evil, Metal Gear, God of War and Gears of War, Final Fantasy, Sports games such as Fifa, Madden, Gran Turismo were mostly all better to play on console (excluding exclusive titles). the beauty of a console is that it is slim and sleek, and does what it is required to do, play games on a low budget.
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Well exclusives a PC can't do anything about, true, but you're not really naming a genre outside of sports. I guess that could be true, I don't know much about sports games. You're saying consoles are cheaper, that's not the same as "much better." On the contrary, if it's not an exclusive, I find consoles will struggle to hit 60fps and sometimes have more obvious visual downgrades, have a lack of antialiasing and screen tearing (though the latest ones address that more).

As for the cost, it used to be PC came out ahead once you factored in the cost of games and not just the hardware, although with the current price of videocards, I have to admit its completely lost its advantage there.
 
tetris42 said:
Well exclusives a PC can't do anything about, true, but you're not really naming a genre outside of sports. I guess that could be true, I don't know much about sports games. You're saying consoles are cheaper, that's not the same as "much better." On the contrary, if it's not an exclusive, I find consoles will struggle to hit 60fps and sometimes have more obvious visual downgrades, have a lack of antialiasing and screen tearing (though the latest ones address that more).

As for the cost, it used to be PC came out ahead once you factored in the cost of games and not just the hardware, although with the current price of videocards, I have to admit its completely lost its advantage there.
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Current console games have taken up the same price drops as PC. It is common to see games drop to $40 a month after release. Sure you not getting steam sells with games for $5 but most people don't want to wait years to get to that price.
 
Three whole games for the PS4
Bloodborne
Killzone
Destiny 1


No chance in hell I would get this developers went down the tubes since the PS4 launch.
The only game I want maybe is God of War 4.
 
I don't burn through games to try the latest and greatest like I used to, so backwards compatibility would be a huge selling point for me. I am more likely to be an early adopter if I can still play my favorite games but if I can't, it'll take a while for me to get around to upgrading.
 
tetris42 said:
Well exclusives a PC can't do anything about, true, but you're not really naming a genre outside of sports. I guess that could be true, I don't know much about sports games. You're saying consoles are cheaper, that's not the same as "much better." On the contrary, if it's not an exclusive, I find consoles will struggle to hit 60fps and sometimes have more obvious visual downgrades, have a lack of antialiasing and screen tearing (though the latest ones address that more).

As for the cost, it used to be PC came out ahead once you factored in the cost of games and not just the hardware, although with the current price of videocards, I have to admit its completely lost its advantage there.
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In a perfect world, all games would be on all platforms and the PC elitists here would have a valid argument about only PC gaming in 4k/60 glory on their 2k+ gaming rigs. But here in the real world, there are exclusives on certain platforms and as annoying as that it, they do indeed justify their console's existence and make them worth buying (to me at least). Most of my favorite games in the last few years have been console exclusives and most of those have been on PS4.

I guess if you're hung up on pixel peeping and kb&m only controls, then consoles aren't for you. But if you really enjoy games on any fundamental level, then these consoles provide some of the best ones you can experience on any level despite their hardware limitations.
 
but can it mine Crypto?

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You know I said that in jest but if they really want to move some consoles, why not? Like they give a crap what they're used for once sold. Release an app (or whatever the fuck they need) that allows mining and profit.
 
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T4rd said:
In a perfect world, all games would be on all platforms and the PC elitists here would have a valid argument about only PC gaming in 4k/60 glory on their 2k+ gaming rigs. But here in the real world, there are exclusives on certain platforms and as annoying as that it, they do indeed justify their console's existence and make them worth buying (to me at least). Most of my favorite games in the last few years have been console exclusives and most of those have been on PS4.

I guess if you're hung up on pixel peeping and kb&m only controls, then consoles aren't for you. But if you really enjoy games on any fundamental level, then these consoles provide some of the best ones you can experience on any level despite their hardware limitations.
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Like I said, there's nothing you can do about exclusives, I was just questioning the "some genres that are much better on console" part. Some people's perception of the PC is still stuck in the 90s. There was a person in another thread who didn't realize the vast majority of games on PC from the past 10 years are already 4k capable.
 
tetris42 said:
Please enlighten me what genres are better on a console over a streamlined living room PC.
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As a general rule you don't have the cheating problem on consoles that pc games can end up having due to the extra layers of security. Doesn't mean it can't happen(cod was hacked to shit on the xbox 360 and I believe the ps3). You didn't have the aimbot problems in the console versions of titan fall or games like division.

That and as others have said exclusives. I'd argue the games that used motion controls were better supported although personally I didn't care for most of it.
 
tetris42 said:
Like I said, there's nothing you can do about exclusives, I was just questioning the "some genres that are much better on console" part. Some people's perception of the PC is still stuck in the 90s. There was a person in another thread who didn't realize the vast majority of games on PC from the past 10 years are already 4k capable.
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Well if we're just talking about controls, I'm not sure how any console game could be better than PC since you usually have the option between using a controller or kb&m on PC, whereas on consoles you're pretty much restricted to just their controllers. The only other area that may be better on consoles is partying up online and other ease of use features for online gaming. But with MS integrating Xbox Live with Windows now, it seems to be getting better for PC as well, though I haven't used any of that stuff personally yet.

Personally, since I've mostly been playing 3rd person action/adventure games lately, I'd rather use a controller for those over kb&m anyways and I've been using my PS4 and Xbone controllers on my PC for the last few games I've played on there as well.
 
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