Overclocking the Budget AMD Ryzen Raven Ridge 2200G APU

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If you are looking at building a budget gaming box to play mainstream shooter games on at 1080p, this article over at TechSpot is worth a read. No need to buy an expensive GPU and the cost on the 2200G CPU is only $100, you can pick up a B350 chipset motherboard for about $94 more. Throw in 8GB of Corsair RAM for $119 and a Seasonic 450W PSU for $64 and you are on your way!


Today we'll be overclocking AMD's Ryzen 3 2200G to the max with a $20 air cooler from DeepCool called the Gammaxx 200T. Now, you might be questioning the idea of splurging on an aftermarket cooler for a Raven Ridge APU that only costs $100 itself and already ships with the Wraith Stealth heatsink that is sufficient for mild overclocks. However, we've been keen to see how much more can be extracted from the APU when using an upgraded heatsink and whether that works out value-wise.

Using the R3 2200G's stock cooler we were able to push its integrated Vega 8 GPU from 1.1GHz up to 1.6GHz, and while this lead to some nice gains, it also pushed operating temperatures well into the 80s and for this reason I wasn't able to overclock the CPU cores as well.

Our overclock saw a 45% increase in GPU frequency, providing around 35% more frames and truly transforming the affordable R3 2200G's potential when it came to gaming. This got us thinking...
 
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I kind of want to do this with a SFF just for the fun of it but I can hardly justify it when I’ve got a Desktop with a 290 that I don’t even turn on most weeks.
 
and of course the honorary "can it mine?"

I suppose theoretically, but not practically. The heat you'd have to produce to cause the CPU to melt through the case and make any significant head way through a foundation and into soil....well, you'd have to get it really, really hot, really really fast because the heat is just not going to last long. At the end of the day, it would be easier to mine with a spoon.
 
Spire has a vapor chamber, and is a good sink that just needs a better fan, or perhaps 14V from a step-up converter.
Is the stealth heatsink similarly salvageable, or pure junk?
 
I just finished building a 2400G system on a Gigabyte AB350N.

It's a solid build. There were a few caveats for me though.

1) Realize that if you purchase 3000MHz DDR4, you have to run it at 2933 MHz. It's just how Ryzen is. You can use XMP, but have to manually change the multiplier so you land at 2933. Leaving it at 3000MHz will make you very, very unhappy. This will be different for 3200, I think AMD supports that speed officially.
2) I encountered issues installing the AMD graphics driver with an HDMI monitor. This was on Win10 x64 build 1709. The only workaround I found was to connect a DisplayPort monitor during setup, then reboot and get to desktop, then switch back to HDMI.
3) It seems that GPU-Z bluescreens the machine every time. For some people, FurMark does as well. For me, Furmark ran.

Just a few things that might help some folks keep more of their hair ;)

Regarding the packaged CPU cooler: Eeeehhh. First thing I did was tweak the profiles in the BIOS, that made it more bearable. I'd say if the system is very open, or located close to you, that fan will annoy you. It's just annoying noises it makes. I am not overclocking and am tempted to rip that thing out and put a 212 in there. But my wife might not mind it, and the system is for her, so we'll see. The heatsink itself it just one block of machined aluminum, no vapor chambers here, and no copper core or anything. Workable, but cheapish.
 
The Gammaxx 300 has an additional heatpipe and is cheaper, think of overclocks while saving that sweet dollar.:)
45% increase in GPU frequency, that ain't too shabby.
 
That's a 2 hour video.


If that dude paid me 300 bucks, i might watch all of it.
 
The Gammaxx 300 has an additional heatpipe and is cheaper, think of overclocks while saving that sweet dollar.:)
45% increase in GPU frequency, that ain't too shabby.
Heck, the Gammaxx 400 is on sale for $23 on Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/DEEPCOOL-GAMMAXX-400-Heatpipes-Compatible/dp/B007JEMXYQ/

1) Realize that if you purchase 3000MHz DDR4, you have to run it at 2933 MHz. It's just how Ryzen is. You can use XMP, but have to manually change the multiplier so you land at 2933. Leaving it at 3000MHz will make you very, very unhappy. This will be different for 3200, I think AMD supports that speed officially.

I think 2933 is the official support. I tried 3200 on a 2400G and it blue screened frequently in WIndows on XMP w/ voltage bump. 2933 was rock solid. I'm guessing next AGESA rev may dial it in more.
 
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and of course the honorary "can it mine?"

Well, my Ryzen 1300x @ 4Ghz gets about 300 h/s and the RX-560 in it also pulls about 300 h/s and that's Mining Monero. So on with the 2200G, the CPU side, I'd guess about 260 h/s and the Vega GPU may be able to do 220 h/s. I would love to have an owner verify my assumptions.
 
Well, my Ryzen 1300x @ 4Ghz gets about 300 h/s and the RX-560 in it also pulls about 300 h/s and that's Mining Monero. So on with the 2200G, the CPU side, I'd guess about 260 h/s and the Vega GPU may be able to do 220 h/s. I would love to have an owner verify my assumptions.

thanks for the numbers. if thats the case its around a 5month roi on the chip alone on electroneum. if anyone has a chip and wants to load up linux and tude xmr miner it would be in tresting to see what it can do.
 
Heck, the Gammaxx 400 is on sale for $23 on Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/DEEPCOOL-GAMMAXX-400-Heatpipes-Compatible/dp/B007JEMXYQ/



I think 2933 is the official support. I tried 3200 on a 2400G and it blue screened frequently in WIndows on XMP w/ voltage bump. 2933 was rock solid. I'm guessing next AGESA rev may dial it in more.

Right, DDR4 3000 is just a MARKETING NUMBER, because it's a round number.


DDR4 officially iterates at 266.6 MHz intervals (2133. 2400, 2666, 2933, 3200).

You can get fractional multipliers, but that would depend on the motherboard. Easier to just go with the next-lowest JDEC spec, and simplify your life.
 
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The correct question to ask is: "Should it mine?"

And the answer is: no, no it should not. No electronic device should turn electricity into virtual coins.

i feel like it may interest some people if the hardware can pay for itself. and the visa servers are turning electricity into virtual usd so is that morally wrong? i supose if it is we must only accept cash at this point. but lets not turn yet another descution into one about mining. there are plenty of those that already covered all the morals of mining.
 
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Wonder if they could get better results by bumping the bclk a few MHz instead of just a pure multiplier OC...
 
Wonder if they could get better results by bumping the bclk a few MHz instead of just a pure multiplier OC...

it looks like temp is the main bottle neck in the article. i would be tempted to see one of these under water with a heavy cpu+gpu oc. I wounder if they would hit a power issue after a certain point
 
I find it upsetting the ram is the most expensive component in the system
And like always it's due to price fixing. We'll have to wait until ram manufacturers are sued to oblivion and then prices drop again. AMD, Intel, and Nvidia aren't happy about it I'm sure. I would have upgraded to Ryzen by now if it wasn't for the ram prices. I'm waiting for them to get back down to $50 for 8GB.
 
I would have upgraded to Ryzen by now if it wasn't for the ram prices. I'm waiting for them to get back down to $50 for 8GB.

Ditto x2. I would like to replace my FX server but 32gb of DDR4 is $300 - 400 depending on brand + speed, which is sick. I spent $200 on a 32gb Corsair DDR3 kit like 3 years ago.

The cheapest stuff at Microcenter is 16gb for $160 (and Crucial isn't great, and it's slow 2133 or 2400 ram).

Sad. I don't know if we'll ever get back to sub $100 16GB kits, but something needs to happen.

I'd like to play with the 2200G or 2400G but when the ram costs more than the CPU + motherboard combined.... SIGH.

Anyway it's nice to see some OC headroom when using a decent cooler. I have a 212 evo standing by, already ordered the AM4 bracket for it.
 
And like always it's due to price fixing. We'll have to wait until ram manufacturers are sued to oblivion and then prices drop again. AMD, Intel, and Nvidia aren't happy about it I'm sure. I would have upgraded to Ryzen by now if it wasn't for the ram prices. I'm waiting for them to get back down to $50 for 8GB.

yea almost all my rigs use ddr3 ecc ram because its DIRT cheap ($2 a gb) that makes it pretty easy to throw however much i need into any servers. the only exceptions are a x99 rig i kinda hate with 1 8gb stick that i hated to buy and one of my many intel phi servers but luckly those servers dont even need ram as its all onchip :p
 
I am still thinking about one of the 2400G chips for a new Linux machine. Got it down to about $400 recycling a case I already have. It is tempting.
 
useless video the dude cant even figure out how to get it to mine correctly. and win 10 is terrible for cpumining coins. i want to see its zcash hashrate on the gpu and cpu on monero

+1

That dude has no clue.

He gets mixed up and says mini and micro. Then he says the board is a mini. Wrong, that one is called micro atx. Gigabyte has a mini itx, that must be the mini he is trying to talk about, but he doesn't understand basic terminology and got his facts wrong.

Someone in the comments noticed that he has memory in wrong slots so it's running single channel. This makes all his results crap.

He didn't hook up the rear fan, so heat will build up in the case. That's just sloppy.
 
I have a 2200G sitting on my desk, waiting until I can buy a normal size ATX board that has support for it out of the box. And no I don’t want to have AMD send me a free CPU just so I can upgrade the BIOS of an existing board.

Thanks Obama.
 
i feel like it may interest some people if the hardware can pay for itself. and the visa servers are turning electricity into virtual usd so is that morally wrong? i supose if it is we must only accept cash at this point. but lets not turn yet another descution into one about mining. there are plenty of those that already covered all the morals of mining.
Yes it is morally wrong. I have no problem if someone gets more money for less work, I don't even mind if someone gets money for no work at all. But I do mind if someone is making money by being a leech on resources while producing no valuable contribution to society in return for those resources. I'm sure there are multiple methods of self justification for miners. But I don't think it's justifiable. I'm on the standpoint that mining for profit is more harmful to the economy and society than economic migrants.

Perhaps if you only mine using the computer you already own for gaming when you're not using it, but dedicated mining rigs definitely blow my fuse.
 
I specced out a 2200g, b350 motherboard, 2x4gb 3000 ram, hdd, case, psu and win10 home for $407 on Amazon. That's console pricing for an entry level gaming PC that can be easily upgraded to a very good gaming machine once video cards become sane again with no wasted money or hassle with trying to sell parts to upgrade. I almost bought it, but I plan to wait for the 4xx chipsets and put my 1700 in one of those, oc the hell out of it, and use my existing b350 board for one.
 
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Yes it is morally wrong. I have no problem if someone gets more money for less work, I don't even mind if someone gets money for no work at all. But I do mind if someone is making money by being a leech on resources while producing no valuable contribution to society in return for those resources. I'm sure there are multiple methods of self justification for miners. But I don't think it's justifiable. I'm on the standpoint that mining for profit is more harmful to the economy and society than economic migrants.

Perhaps if you only mine using the computer you already own for gaming when you're not using it, but dedicated mining rigs definitely blow my fuse.
No value? the market is worth $430B today according to coinmarketcap.com. It's fine you hate crypto, except if you had looked into all the good use cases that are out there and invested, you'd be setting pretty right now. Seems you are upset you missed out.

How is it more harmful than migrants (do you mean illegal immigrants)? You are really grasping for that crypto hate. You should have invested, then you wouldn't be so angry.
 
No value? the market is worth $430B today according to coinmarketcap.com. It's fine you hate crypto, except if you had looked into all the good use cases that are out there and invested, you'd be setting pretty right now. Seems your upset you missed out.

How is it more harmful than migrants (do you mean illegal immigrants)? You are really grasping for that crypto hate. You should have invested, then you wouldn't be so angry.
"Money" is not something of value. Money is a label we put on exchange of goods and services. With cryptomning there is no service provided (apart from serving the continuation of the currency itself) and no goods produced. Therefore it is of no real value. It literally turns valuable resources into virtual currency. Using up finite resources to create personal wealth without any tangible product is morally questionable. Especially when we're already experiencing a crisis in waste and pollution. I can't explain it any better than that. The earth and the environment but most importantly humanity's future existence is everyone's common responsibility. I'm sorry that you don't give a crap about those things.
Do I seem angry to you? I'm not angry, bitter perhaps, even sad to see this. On the other hand judging by your outburst at me it seems to me that deep down you know that what you're doing is morally indefensible. And I hope my words are prodding hard at your bubble of self-justification. And I hope I can burst that bubble not just for you, but everyone.
 
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People use crypto all the time for purchasing goods and services. Don't know what you're smoking...
 
"Money" is not something of value. Money is a label we put on exchange of goods and services. With cryptomning there is no service provided (apart from serving the continuation of the currency itself) and no goods produced. Therefore it is of no real value. It literally turns valuable resources into virtual currency. Using up finite resources to create personal wealth without any tangible product is morally questionable. Especially when we're already experiencing a crisis in waste and pollution. I can't explain it any better than that. The earth and the environment but most importantly humanity's future existence is everyone's common responsibility. I'm sorry that you don't give a crap about those things.
Do I seem angry to you? I'm not angry, bitter perhaps, even sad to see this. On the other hand judging by your outburst at me it seems to me that deep down you know that what you're doing is morally indefensible. And I hope my words are prodding hard at your bubble of self-justification. And I hope I can burst that bubble not just for you, but everyone.
Always some way to argue it. One thing is sure, having made 6 figures is better than your bad attitude with 0 figures, so whatever your argument you won't change my mind. You are angry because you try to say it's worse than illegal immigration which is crazy angry talk. You lose if you don't play, so better to go with the flow now rather than flowing more tears as crypto takes off even more.

It's not morally indefensible to make some money so I have a good life. What does the bank do, nothing different yet you attack miners. You claim environmental reasons not to mine, yet it's a small percentage, there is plenty of evidence talked about on this very board that it's not a huge drag on the power, except maybe in China.

You go for the low information people and try to blow a bunch of smoke up their ass with your lies. Don't talk to me about morals! LOL
 
You can get fractional multipliers, but that would depend on the motherboard. Easier to just go with the next-lowest JDEC spec, and simplify your life

Especially since it can be looked at as "same speed' according to some tests that show how the increased cas #'s of faster memory sometimes gives lesser performance. A cas 14@3000 could perform better than a cas 19@4000. Always puzzled me how the cas goes down as the supposed speed goes up. Tests show this too.
 
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