Advice needed on new 1080 Ti purchase, wait for next gen instead?

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Just purchased another 1080 Ti for gaming, had a MSI 1080 Ti Gaming X sold because could not deny the resale value. Picked a EVGA FTW3 1080 Ti still within return period, should I return/sell and wait for next gen Nvidia GPU since possibly so close?
 
Keep in mind both miners and people wanting to upgrade their old cards are going to go crazy for the new series, so it will likely surge the prices up and make it hard to get the cards. When the GTX 1080 was released there was high demand that led to shortages for months, that was even without factoring in the mining craze.
 
As soon as I get my hands on a next-gen card I'll sell my current 1080Ti. I suspect a lot of people will be doing that.
 
Jayham said:
Just purchased another 1080 Ti for gaming, had a MSI 1080 Ti Gaming X sold because could not deny the resale value. Picked a EVGA FTW3 1080 Ti still within return period, should I return/sell and wait for next gen Nvidia GPU since possibly so close?
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depends on what you paid for it.
 
xBanzai89 said:
Keep in mind both miners and people wanting to upgrade their old cards are going to go crazy for the new series, so it will likely surge the prices up and make it hard to get the cards. When the GTX 1080 was released there was high demand that led to shortages for months, that was even without factoring in the mining craze.
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This is true :/

darrpara said:
EVGA has their 90 day step up period https://www.evga.com/support/stepup/. Personally I would wait but if you need a GPU then I'd hedge my bets with EVGA using step up.
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I've thought about this as well just don't know if this will be an option because time constraints... card is almost 2 weeks old leaves 2 weeks for return (otherwise sell while value still high) and leaves 2 1/2 month for "step-up" which i don't think is enough time.

rive22 said:
depends on what you paid for it.
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About $850 - profit from previous 1080 Ti
 
Jayham said:
This is true :/



I've thought about this as well just don't know if this will be an option because time constraints... card is almost 2 weeks old leaves 2 weeks for return (otherwise sell while value still high) and leaves 2 1/2 month for "step-up" which i don't think is enough time.



About $850 - profit from previous 1080 Ti
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My experience with step up is that you file for it and are then put into a queue. So if you file for it on the absolute last day it still counts and any shipping times don't matter. Personally I think step up is a good value. ok

Worst case scenario you end up with a great card for a few months before you sell it off. If you can get the 1080ti close to MSRP then you very likely will be selling into market that is still dealing with a GPU shortage where your card is most likely equivalent to the new "2080" or whatever.
 
Jayham said:
Just purchased another 1080 Ti for gaming, had a MSI 1080 Ti Gaming X sold because could not deny the resale value. Picked a EVGA FTW3 1080 Ti still within return period, should I return/sell and wait for next gen Nvidia GPU since possibly so close?
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Probably worth just keeping if you are going to use it for gaming. Remember that nVidia's strategy with GPUs lately has been that when they launch a new series, they don't launch a very high end part, except for an overpriced Titan. The high-end Ti card comes later. It isn't likely that the 1180 or 2080 or whatever the hell it ends up being called will be much faster than a 1080Ti, and there's nothing that a 1080Ti doesn't just destroy these days.

I mean what's the point in getting a gaming rig, only to not get to use it for gaming for months on end because you are after the next best thing and don't have a card to use? That's the reason I haven't sold my 1080Ti at an inflated price: I am using it to play games and it does that REALLY well. I'm not interested in getting some cash only to have to hold it for an indeterminate amount of months before I can game again. My play time is worth far more than that.
 
Sycraft said:
Probably worth just keeping if you are going to use it for gaming. Remember that nVidia's strategy with GPUs lately has been that when they launch a new series, they don't launch a very high end part, except for an overpriced Titan. The high-end Ti card comes later. It isn't likely that the 1180 or 2080 or whatever the hell it ends up being called will be much faster than a 1080Ti, and there's nothing that a 1080Ti doesn't just destroy these days.

I mean what's the point in getting a gaming rig, only to not get to use it for gaming for months on end because you are after the next best thing and don't have a card to use? That's the reason I haven't sold my 1080Ti at an inflated price: I am using it to play games and it does that REALLY well. I'm not interested in getting some cash only to have to hold it for an indeterminate amount of months before I can game again. My play time is worth far more than that.
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You are far to optimistic, sorry to say.
Whrn GV104 launches be prepared for the usual poster to claim that the SKU is Nvidia's next "highend" card and whine about how is not a big improvement over the 1080Ti.

They always do...sad but true.

And when you try and tell then that a Ti version will be out later they stock their head in the sand as that fact doesn't suit their agenda.

Just wait and see...
 
Well regardless of how people feel about high end cards, my advice would be the same. It would be the same to someone with a midrange card, and the same to someone with a card several generations out of date: I wouldn't sell a card now and hold on to the money hoping for a future release, I'd keep the card I had so I could play games now. No point in giving up the ability to do something you like now for the chance it'll be better in the future.
 
yes indeed Sycraft.. Ive found my self doing exactly that. Im still kicking myself for buying a 1070 instead of a 1080 but I didnt want to spend that much money .... now sure wish I did.

but Ill keep this 1070 till things get more reasonable.. besides will take me some time to save up enough to get a 1080 or whatever may be available ie next gen.
 
Sycraft said:
Probably worth just keeping if you are going to use it for gaming. Remember that nVidia's strategy with GPUs lately has been that when they launch a new series, they don't launch a very high end part, except for an overpriced Titan. The high-end Ti card comes later. It isn't likely that the 1180 or 2080 or whatever the hell it ends up being called will be much faster than a 1080Ti, and there's nothing that a 1080Ti doesn't just destroy these days.

I mean what's the point in getting a gaming rig, only to not get to use it for gaming for months on end because you are after the next best thing and don't have a card to use? That's the reason I haven't sold my 1080Ti at an inflated price: I am using it to play games and it does that REALLY well. I'm not interested in getting some cash only to have to hold it for an indeterminate amount of months before I can game again. My play time is worth far more than that.
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Excellent post

If you were cryptomining the flip side might be true as gddr6 is supposed to be a monster for hash rate, but I’d expect for gaming the 1180 will be the typical 15-35% faster than the previous gen card (1080), which typically puts it right at the speed of the 1080 TI. So a lateral.

It should also consume less power, but that doesn’t matter much to a gamer.


Why did you sell a MSI gaming 1080ti for a EVGA 1080ti. There’s no significant real world difference in performance with any of these 1080ti in my experiences.
 
LordVampyre said:
yes indeed Sycraft.. Ive found my self doing exactly that. Im still kicking myself for buying a 1070 instead of a 1080 but I didnt want to spend that much money .... now sure wish I did.

but Ill keep this 1070 till things get more reasonable.. besides will take me some time to save up enough to get a 1080 or whatever may be available ie next gen.
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You had plenty of opportunity over the last six month to sell that 1070 for $700 and buy a 1080 or 1080ti. Still could.

Camp Nvidia.com(setup notify me) and buy a founders edition 1080ti for $699

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/10series/geforce-gtx-1080-ti/
 
As someone who did the step-up of an EVGA 980 Ti Classified to a 1080...

If you have the money, buy what you want when you can. With EVGA you do have 90 days to step up to a better card if you buy from an approved vendor and register the card within 14 days (no, they don't usually allow SC, FTW, or Classifieds as an option to step up to). This was nice for me in that I didn't have to constantly scour retail websites trying to find a 1080. I was on a waitlist with a number that guaranteed my upgrade, but I did have to wait a while.

As to the performance difference between a 980 Ti and a 1080? The 1080 was about 15% faster overall. It will likely be a similar performance delta with the new series.

It's up to you to determine if being without a card during the step up phase is worth it, or if you'd rather just wait and try to get a new X080 when they are released.
 
No way to answer this without benchmaks for the new card and knowing your resolution and usage scenario.
 
Just keep it you might have a good 2-3 month wait or more even before the good after market coolers come out and if they are not sold out
 
Adding my 2c, in 25 years in the market, I've never seen a situation like this. Used recent cards are reselling for 20% over MSRP - insane. What's very likely going to happen is, shortly, nv and and are gong to bifurcate their card lines: one for crypto (a crypto-tesla, if you will), another for gaming. They can't afford to alienate the gaming market, and there's gold in them there crypto hills (at least for the time being).

In summary, I've decided I can live with 1080p/1440p gaming for a few months. I just sold both my 1080 tis for £750 ($1100) and picked up a used 780 ti for $200. I had bought the 1080 tis last year for $700 a piece... an $800 total profit on used cards.

I'll step up when either a) amphere arrives, or b) the crypto market stabilizes or falls out and will have earned some cash.
 
harmattan said:
Adding my 2c, in 25 years in the market, I've never seen a situation like this. Used recent cards are reselling for 20% over MSRP - insane. What's very likely going to happen is, shortly, nv and and are gong to bifurcate their card lines: one for crypto (a crypto-tesla, if you will), another for gaming. They can't afford to alienate the gaming market, and there's gold in them there crypto hills (at least for the time being).

In summary, I've decided I can live with 1080p/1440p gaming for a few months. I just sold both my 1080 tis for £750 ($1100) and picked up a used 780 ti for $200. I had bought the 1080 tis last year for $700 a piece... an $800 total profit on used cards.

I'll step up when either a) amphere arrives, or b) the crypto market stabilizes or falls out and will have earned some cash.
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Kinda impossible to make seperate mining and gaming cards with the current design of CUDA cores FYI.
 
If you want to wait till June to pick up a card then sure go ahead and sell it now.
 
Factum said:
Kinda impossible to make seperate mining and gaming cards with the current design of CUDA cores FYI.
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Just scrollwheel when you see "They should just make separate mining cardz for the miners or just cripple the gaming cardz from the cripto craze" posts.

You're bailing the ocean trying to explain why it would be all downsides and bad PR for Nvidia, zero upside - and it becomes a matter of energy to deal with them.
 
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you could of got a 1080 for like 500...1070s were like 400....their gonna fix this shit dude it's autism.
 
Factum said:
Kinda impossible to make seperate mining and gaming cards with the current design of CUDA cores FYI.
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They could lock the bios and drivers so that mining is not an option with the gaming card. They can make it clear that you can't use these cards for mining and that they are for gaming only. I think it's time that they start making separate skus for each class of card. One mining sku, one gaming sku, and one workstation sku (already have this).
 
pooloffire said:
They could lock the bios and drivers so that mining is not an option with the gaming card. They can make it clear that you can't use these cards for mining and that they are for gaming only.
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That's not gonna happen, at least anytime soon.
 
pooloffire said:
They could lock the bios and drivers so that mining is not an option with the gaming card. They can make it clear that you can't use these cards for mining and that they are for gaming only. I think it's time that they start making separate skus for each class of card. One mining sku, one gaming sku, and one workstation sku (already have this).
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From a market stability standpoint this makes total sense. nV (and AMD) can't risk damaging their core market. Moreover, they already do this by default with the Quattro and Telsa lines.

That said, they may not segment the lines and ride the current crypto tide. What's assured in any case is there's a team of analysts who have been looking at short-term profit vs. impact of crypto fallout i.e what happens when crypto crashes (or stabilizes) and there are less PC gamers and a flood of cards hitting the secondary market
 
harmattan said:
From a market stability standpoint this makes total sense. nV (and AMD) can't risk damaging their core market. Moreover, they already do this by default with the Quattro and Telsa lines.

That said, they may not segment the lines and ride the current crypto tide. What's assured in any case is there's a team of analysts who have been looking at short-term profit vs. impact of crypto fallout i.e what happens when crypto crashes (or stabilizes) and there are less PC gamers and a flood of cards hitting the secondary market
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I don't think so. WIth more and more people holding off on making part purchases because they can't afford a video card. More manufacturers are going to start putting major pressure on Nvidia and AMD to fix things. I think it going to happen soon than later. When motherboards, cases and stuff like that are not selling because nobody is building it will hurt Nvidia and AMD too. I had to use NXZT bld to get my wife a new PC. I couldn't afford to get her an 1080. When the 1080 was nearly the whole budget.
 
pooloffire said:
I don't think so. WIth more and more people holding off on making part purchases because they can't afford a video card. More manufacturers are going to start putting major pressure on Nvidia and AMD to fix things. I think it going to happen soon than later. When motherboards, cases and stuff like that are not selling because nobody is building it will hurt Nvidia and AMD too. I had to use NXZT bld to get my wife a new PC. I couldn't afford to get her an 1080. When the 1080 was nearly the whole budget.
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That's the rub: retailers are moving card at extortionate prices, just not to their core market. While retailers are much more likely to be in it for a fast buck (and can rise/drop their prices on a whim), nV and AMD are in it for the long game and don't want to erode their core base. This is why they will likely segment the lines... But not until they let resellers have their fun.

It's unfortunate that the same tool is being used to both hammer nails and shovel dirt, but that's where we are.
 
Well, I hated not being able too build my wife's new pc, but she did get a 1080 at msrp. So I can't be to upset, and I am sure that the new build will be well built.
 
pooloffire said:
They could lock the bios and drivers so that mining is not an option with the gaming card. They can make it clear that you can't use these cards for mining and that they are for gaming only. I think it's time that they start making separate skus for each class of card. One mining sku, one gaming sku, and one workstation sku (already have this).
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How??? How would they lock the BIOS?!? Stop with this nonsense, people! Please!

Buying a standalone graphics card *right now* makes no sense. As Archaea pointed out, and as I see it, *right now*, the only thing that makes sense is buying a full system with the desired graphics card configured in it.
Think about it - you get a modern kick ass CPU, RAM, Windows license, manufacturer warranty and a kickass shiny graphics card. Great deal all around *right now*.
 
harmattan said:
That's the rub: retailers are moving card at extortionate prices, just not to their core market. While retailers are much more likely to be in it for a fast buck (and can rise/drop their prices on a whim), nV and AMD are in it for the long game and don't want to erode their core base. This is why they will likely segment the lines... But not until they let resellers have their fun.

It's unfortunate that the same tool is being used to both hammer nails and shovel dirt, but that's where we are.
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What do they care about their core base. It is like we have anywhere else to go to for cards. Nvidia and AMD know this. Expect on Nvidia and AMD end to start upping the MSRP on their next gen. For years I could go to a Best buy and see shelves full of GPUs. Now they are bare and been like that for 6 months. They would be cutting themselves off at their knees with their revenue by making a separate line for miners. For ever miner card they make it is 1 gamer card taking off the production line that will proabably have higher profit margin s at this time. Yes it will hurt them later cause when this mining bubble pops there will be a whole shit ton of cheap high end used cards flooding the market but I am sure Nvidia has done the research and took it all in consideration. You forget Nvidia is branching off I a lot of different market and soon the gamer market might not matter as much to them.
 
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vegeta535 said:
What do they care about their core base. It is like we have anywhere else to go to for cards. Nvidia and AMD know this. Expect on Nvidia and AMD end to start upping the MSRP on their next gen. For years I could go to a Best buy and see shelves full of GPUs. Now they are bare and been like that for 6 months. They would be cutting themselves off at their knees with their revenue by making a separate line for miners. For ever miner card they make it is 1 gamer card taking off the production line that will proabably have higher profit margin s at this time. Yes it will hurt them later cause when this mining bubble pops there will be a whole shit ton of cheap high end used cards flooding the market but I am sure Nvidia has done the research and took it all in consideration. You forget Nvidia is branching off I a lot of different market and soon the gamer market might not matter as much to them.
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They don't really "care" about their core base, so to speak; what they care about is hedging against crypto insecurity. If they price out gamers, and crypto falls off a cliff, they may find the well has dried up next year as folks turn away from PC gaming (I know I have already in a respect).

But yes, the crypto craze has been like a lottery win for NV and AMD and has been a massive gift to them raising prices across the board (which started years back, with NV in any case).
 
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