Intel lawsuit

Odd, the thread about the lawsuits against AMD had all the usual suspects railing against them. This thread is strangely quiet.
 
Oh yeah, the American way... Sue the manufacturer of the car instead of the person who throws nails out in front it.
 
4330thgink said:
Oh yeah, the American way... Sue the manufacturer of the car instead of the person who throws nails out in front it.
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Except that is not an accurate representation of what happened at all. The manufacturer in this case knowingly made the processors with the defect in order to keep processing speed up and never bothered to fix it, even though the internet has been such that an attack could be leveraged on this type of vulnerability for at least a decade now. I don't know if the last part of that statement is true or not, but I wanted to get the point across. There are more similarities between this and the Chevrolet ignition switch debacle.
 
The funny thing is a piece of software can ship with millions of bugs without any lawsuit. But be damned for CPUs shipping with 100-300 or phone and other SoCs that ships with 1000-10000 bugs.

However it´s simply a consequence of our expectations. Imagine hardware with 10 years QA and paying 1000-10000$ per CPU. Or imagine software with that may have 20 years QA with an even higher price tag. Its simply not realistic with the demands we have and the pace required for the industry not to halt to a stop due to required revenue flows.

If a lawsuit on a global scale would pay 20$ back per CPU for the last 5 years. Most of the CPU makers would instantly be bankrupt and the couple left (Intel, Apple, IBM and Fujitsu) would be handicapped so much that development would suffer for decades ahead at best.
 
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yes lets not punish the manufacture. Let them keep on making billions and F the customer.
Its the american way

funny they have not brought out processors with this fixed.
 
sparks said:
yes lets not punish the manufacture. Let them keep on making billions and F the customer.
Its the american way

funny they have not brought out processors with this fixed.
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How many bugfree applications do you have on your PC or your phone? Or bugfree hardware in your entire home and workplace. Or even flaws in your home construction.

There is utopia and then there is reality.

And it´s not like the issues isn't being fixed with OS patches and microcode updates.
 
what you fail to accept is this was not something that last week they went ....oh crap it has a problem.
This has been a known problem for years and they continued to sell the same thing with no re guard to anything or exploit that this could be used by.
And you can bet the bean counters went wait this might cost 30 cents a chip and cause us to wait a month before release....F it

that is my problem with this.
 
sparks said:
what you fail to accept is this was not something that last week they went ....oh crap it has a problem.
This has been a known problem for years and they continued to sell the same thing with no re guard to anything or exploit that this could be used by.
And you can bet the bean counters went wait this might cost 30 cents a chip and cause us to wait a month before release....F it

that is my problem with this.
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What you don't understand is it takes several years to develop a new CPU. Even something like QA after the chip is done takes over a year.

Why do you think Intel, AMD, ARM, Apple, Samsung, IBM, Fujitsu, MediaTek, Qualcomm, Broadcom and so on all have the same issue. They all knew it, none of them could do shit about it without stopping sales for close to 2 years. But again, all the CPUs gets fixed via OS updates and microcode updates. That means no phones, no TVs, no PCs, no consoles, no tablets and a tonne of other appliances you wanted a complete sale stop on for close to 2 years. The technology industry would collapse and the advancements would be gone for good.

Applications are no different. But again, you can choose between your utopia that you wont wait on or pay for. Or you can pick what we got today. You cant have both.
 
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gonna listen to epeen and bragging rights people that flipped through hardware that fast just for 8700k and worried about buggy stuff...where practically almost same core performance...and still hard pressed for a real good reason for most things needing more cores....
 
sparks said:
what you fail to accept is this was not something that last week they went ....oh crap it has a problem.
This has been a known problem for years and they continued to sell the same thing with no re guard to anything or exploit that this could be used by.
And you can bet the bean counters went wait this might cost 30 cents a chip and cause us to wait a month before release....F it

that is my problem with this.
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Years? A real life practical exploit has only been known about for a few months. Before then there was some studies done that stated an exploit was theoretically possible through side channel attacks, but they didn't know how it could be exploited. You don't go about fixing bugs you think might be present with no real evidence they exist, much less a way to reproduce their behavior. That's just a recipe for disaster.


And you don't scrap a multi-year multi-million dollar product launch without announcing the reason why it's being scrapped to your shareholders. Doing that though would have told the world about the flaws long before anyone was remotely ready to mitigate them. Imagine the lawsuits Intel would have faced from that action coming in from AMD, IBM, ARM, MS, etc.
 
In reality he ask that 5B+ devices of different kind wouldn´t be sold, including over 3B smartphones and millions of people without a job and a tech era gone due to not wanting a fix in the form of OS updates and microcode ;)
 
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