Report: Tesla Is Dead Last in the Driverless Vehicle Race

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According to market research and consulting team Navigant Research, Tesla is actually doing the worst out of all 19 companies currently involved with automated driving systems. Their report claims that autopilot has regressed; the latest version (V2) has lost functionality that was present in the original.

Navigant ranked the 19 major companies developing AV technology based on 10 criteria, including vision, market strategy, partnerships, production strategy, technology, product quality and staying power. According to the report, General Motors and Waymo, the auto unit of Alphabet, are the top two AV investment opportunities in the market today.
 
deton8 said:
Is it the worst of all the available options, or the only available option?
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Nah it's the only available option vs. everyone else's testing vehicles that are not yet in production and have those silly spinning radar things on the roof of their cars.
 
Wow those ranked catagories have little to do with how well it works or not... Partnerships, vision....gimme a break
 
^William Henry Harrison often gets on lists as one of the best presidents and one of the worst for the same reason. Same logic applies here.
 
This is because mobile eye backed out on tesla and tesla basically had to start from scratch hardware and software wise. Now mobile eye is with Ford iirc
 
sfsuphysics said:
Not to disagree with the results... but how are you dead last when you're literally the only commercial vehicle to have said technology?
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Technically they're dead last AND first! Glass half full vs half empty.

Jim Kim said:
Now will they quit calling it AutoPiloT? [wink]
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It's the correct term. AutoPilot has never meant fully-automated / pilotless. It has always meant assisted technologies, e.g. throttle controls, fly-by-wire, altitude hold, landing guidance, and other mechanisms that assist the pilot in reducing their workload (hence why planes no longer have cockpit crews of 4-5 people, they've lightened the duties enough that even the flight engineer is no longer required). All of which sounds awfully similar to the assisted technologies in a Tesla (adaptive cruise, lane guidance, auto braking, steer assistance).

Only recently has technology caught up to a point where it could mean pilotless, but the term predates that tech by a mile.
 
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westrock2000 said:
There's car out there that can do this better?

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I would say that a sleeping driver is travelling in a driverless vehicle. That story from Navigant Research has problems, like many do when defining what is meant isnt done first.

Kinda wish it was done on some social issues too, so folks would be on the same topic :cool:
 
So because Tesla's consumer available production cars aren't at the level of other companies' non-consumer grade R&D projects it means Tesla is dead last? That makes sense.

I highly doubt Tesla is stopping at the level their production vehicles are currently at. All these other companies simply have investors hook line and sinker with their literal one-of-a-kind auto pilot cars that would not be cost effective to mass produce any time soon.
 
I'll probably by 75 years old and still want only my hands and feet controlling the vehicle. Then again im in the minority I suppose as I still prefer having the man pedal in performance vehicles.
 
My 2014 S550 can drive over the Howard Frankland Bridge (~7miles) without me touching anything...its awesome.
 
FlawleZ said:
I'll probably by 75 years old and still want only my hands and feet controlling the vehicle. Then again im in the minority I suppose as I still prefer having the man pedal in performance vehicles.
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Unfortunately for the rest of us the minority tends to be the vocal majority.
 
Only last due to software. The hardware is more than capable. As soon as Tesla gets its software development under control, they will destroy all the other car makers due to better hardware and better availability.
 
FlawleZ said:
I'll probably by 75 years old and still want only my hands and feet controlling the vehicle. Then again im in the minority I suppose as I still prefer having the man pedal in performance vehicles.
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Meanwhile most people prefer an automatic and will have no problem letting the computer drive their car.

Once you get into your 60's or 70's, with failing eyesight, slower reaction times, poor night vision, etc., you'll be glad to have a self driving car.

And when you hit your 80's, you will likely not be able to drive any more, so a self driving car = freedom.

Meanwhile, many younger people have no desire to drive. They trust technology, and would rather the car drive itself.
 
only reason why planes needs pilots these days is because of the need to stock, refuel, board, landing, takeoff queues and passenger control etc.
 
I hope to get an auto pilot car, move to some very affordable town 2-3 hours away and sleep on my commute to work. Will be glorious. I'll be a night owl. (or a ghetto Batman to lazy to fight crime)
 
Basically the article is aimed at stock market investors gamblers since it's all predicated on future outcomes.

Tesla is leading from behind?:rolleyes:
 
Hopefully more will join the apathy for driverless cars.. its damn stupid. People already have enough excuses as to why they don't pay attention on their morning commutes..
 
Well at least Tesla partnered with AMD to make the "autopilot" chip and not Intel. Although "Driver failed to respond" could reach a whole new level of frustration.
 
OrangeKhrush said:
Depends where you live. And forgive me, I will never get into a car with no human input controls because you cannot trust automation.
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I can appreciate that train of thought but I believe the number of folks who want the automation will vastly outnumber the auto enthusiast group. Just like computer circles still have enthusiast overclocking groups it is not as widespread as it once was. From what I see around me I would prefer the automated cars that don't tailgate, cutoff, turn without blinkers, type on their phones etc.
 
Another thing I don't think was considered was that Tesla just built another factory to build solar panels that look like regular roofing shingles. It seems to be the only company in the world that is building "Nice" looking solar panels to put on a home. https://www.tesla.com/solarroof
 
Accursed said:
I hope to get an auto pilot car, move to some very affordable town 2-3 hours away and sleep on my commute to work. Will be glorious. I'll be a night owl. (or a ghetto Batman to lazy to fight crime)
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Fuck that. Maybe in a fully automated world but not with human drivers on the road still being the majority. Not a nice way to wake someone driving into you while you are sleeping. Anyway V8 for life with manual driving.
 
OrangeKhrush said:
Depends where you live. And forgive me, I will never get into a car with no human input controls because you cannot trust automation.
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Here's the thing with most people, it's not a matter of "hacking" or "trusting automation" it's not being in control themselves. Yet people get on buses, and in taxis all the time. And shit happens then too, and go on about how "trained" they may be, how do you know that's not some rookie who just got a job? It's hard to give up control, and that's what this whole driverless thing is really about, and while it doesn't happen often, I still get butterflies in my stomach when my wife drives the car with me in the passenger seat but if it's a long road trip or I'm really tired eventually I do relax and it's all a good day.

For every mishap of automation you could show me, I could probably find 10 where human being that were in control did just as bad.
 
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