NVIDIA Wants Retailers to Sell GeForce GPUs to Gamers, Not Miners

Master_shake_ said:
i don't think it'll pop.

i have no evidence to back that up.

but if it does it's gonna fucking hilarious when all those cards hit ebay.
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Might not pop but if crypto is moving away from Proof of Work to Proof of Stake, still might see a high supply of graphics card on ebay.
 
Chimpee said:
Might not pop but if crypto is moving away from Proof of Work to Proof of Stake, still might see a high supply of graphics card on ebay.
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There is no crypto mass movement to PoS, and we will simply not see a "flood of cheap cards on eBay" - that's total fantasy. There are too many industrial operations in motion now that will absorb any secondhand cards as long as revenue outstrips overhead. If there was a cooling off it would take a long time and be very gradual.

Times have changed, some people just have to be hit over the head with the reality stick long enough that eventually it might sink in.
 
You know what would be nice. A chip that detects when a bios has been overwritten and voids the warranty of a cars.

Couple that with a bios that cripples mining performance and you kill the resale market. That would slow the growth of new miners by making swlloffs unprofitable and the resale market cap value....

Maybe?
 
Fuk this dog and pony show! Let me trade in my 8800gt + cash for some 1080ti's I've obviously not been mining.
 
I think the only thing nVidia should do is tell retailers to limit quantities sold to an individual. Not many gamers need more than one or two cards. I'd be fine with miners having to work a little harder to get the 10 cards needed for their farms but they should still be able to use the same hardware/drivers as everyone else.
 
What difference does it make how the cards get used? If they are selling then make more to sell.

If I want to use it to hammer nails in the wall so be it. It isn't any of NVidias business what I do with it.

What am I missing? This isn't a vaccine that has a shortage and people are dying if they don't get it. It's an electronic component.
 
The only reason nvidia said this it is about fear that a day the mining will became unprofitable and will be millions of cards flooding ebay & co. Stealing huge sales from new products.
I cannot await it happens so will see also prices of new cards come down to more reasonable prices like few years ago. They are very scary about it happens just now. Imagine if gamers buy for a quarter or more only used, leave the shelves full of cards....
 
If I open up a hot dog stand, and tell my customers "Hey don't put ketchup on my hot dogs, they're supposed to be eaten with mustard only!"
They'll probably tell me to fuck off, they choose how they eat their hot dogs.
But now people back in the line are complaining "We don't put ketchup on them, sell them to us instead of people in front of me!"
Should I prioritize them instead of customers who queue up early?
Should I make my hot dogs taste awful with ketchup, to keep some of my customers away?

"Gamers" are probably butthurt because they "expected" the GPU price will go down, and always be available for them to buy. As it had been true before mining is a thing. So they chose not to queue up early. Now stock is gone and they yell they're the rightful eaters of those hotdogs?
 
nvidia couldve released their own mining card or mining rig to compete against bitmain... but noooooo
they rather continue taking advantage of the situation.

how hard could it be to have released a mining benefits only card or rig, while leaving the gaming cards as gaming benefit only.
 
Eventually difficulty will rise enough to slowly lesson profit over energy costs. But this will take years as less efficient miners are forced out.
 
Never really looked into mining but can Nvidia or AMD not just put something (hardware and/or software) into the GPU to make it a non-mining card?
 
Paladin21 said:
If they're actually *serious* about this and not just fishing for PR, then they need to make code changes in the drivers to kill hashrates on mining algorithms. Let the mining-edition cards have the unlock, but tank the performance of the gaming cards. They've already shown willingness to use their drivers as a profit engine (prohibiting data centers from using Titans instead of Teslas via driver EULA changes), so there is precedent.
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Then people would just complain about how unfair it is they are adding a paywall to something that was previously included.....like the "K" CPU's for Intel. You didn't used to have to pay for unlocked, now you do, booohooooo.
 
Burticus said:
If AMD / Nvidia really cared, they would sell cards themselves to consumers directly, limit 1 per household, at MSRP. Yeah they would be founders editions / stock cards but at least you could buy one.

I also wonder if they could build in usage detection into the drivers and auto-throttle down when mining is detected. Or multi GPU detected.

Between the mining craze and the RAM pricing bullshit going on right now, these are dark days for PC building.
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It's already been mentioned several times in this thread that NVIDIA does sell directly to consumers, and they limit it to 2 per customer.

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/shop/

You could buy a Titan Xp right now for less than a 1080 Ti on the open market.
 
quiktake said:
Eventually difficulty will rise enough to slowly lesson profit over energy costs. But this will take years as less efficient miners are forced out.
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Sure, if there was a single coin being mined. But there are dozens of different coins out there with close to 20 different algorithms behind those.

Long story short, gpu mining ain't going anywhere for the foreseeable future.
 
The best way to do this is have a limit of 1-2 per transaction and local address scalpers are the enemy as well.
Crypto currency can enjoy a big friggin hole in the ozone layer.
 
if you think for one minute that N or A give one rats ass about who buys their product I have some beach property in Tennessee that I would love to sell you.

Either they block mining in their cards or produce ( I remember last year them saying this ) cards that were mining only then we will have a solution.
BUT don't hold your breath for either one. WHY would they sell a $200 mining card when they can sell them a $1000 card ??

i.e. read line one
 
You know what you do as a company whos product is selling out left and right?



Not a god damned thing.
 
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Another way to remedy this is once the card is on Full Throttle for 24 hours have it shut down.
 
Comixbooks said:
Another way to remedy this is once the card is on Full Throttle for 24 hours have it shut down.
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Better yet, why not have the GPU self destruct?

CEO material right here, ladies and gentlemen. Why waste your potential at Walmart?
 
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It sucks to be a consumer who needs/wants a 3D graphics card for graphics, right now.

It is not going to change anytime soon and that sucks too.

There is no impetus for NVidia or AMD to fix anything. They are making the investors happy. Screw the gamers, not intentionally, but they are selling all they can make. That is a good deal for them and their business.

It would be stupid to try and compensate by expanding manufacturing. Then if the cryptocraze dies, it would take them with it. Seen that happen to too many companies in my career.
 
DukenukemX said:
The only way to solve this problem is to produce more graphics cards. Something only Nvidia has control of. That and AMD.
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Saturate the market?
Not going to happen. But yes if they made 100 times more cards, they would sell them all.
Then crytocurrency "might" bubble when there is no rarity of GPUs to troll.

There would need to be other GPU makers in the market to make AMD and Nvidia squirm enough to actually force their hand.

Imagine Matrox getting back in the gamer market and taking away sales.
 
Paladin21 said:
If they're actually *serious* about this and not just fishing for PR, then they need to make code changes in the drivers to kill hashrates on mining algorithms. Let the mining-edition cards have the unlock, but tank the performance of the gaming cards. They've already shown willingness to use their drivers as a profit engine (prohibiting data centers from using Titans instead of Teslas via driver EULA changes), so there is precedent.
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heatlesssun said:
This is just a hack that would itself get hacked.
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Not only that, but what would prevent the miners from using the version of drivers right before the version that the hashing rate was reduced?
 
I'm quite sure mining is no fad at all, but rather the emergence of distributed computing. It means that everyone will be able to sell their GPU power online for all sorts of projects.
 
Armenius said:
It's already been mentioned several times in this thread that NVIDIA does sell directly to consumers, and they limit it to 2 per customer.

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/shop/

You could buy a Titan Xp right now for less than a 1080 Ti on the open market.
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Interesting, I did not see that. But they are all sold out except the high end Titans. They all say "notify me". Too bad, they have GTX 1070's for $399.... which I know is MSRP but cheaper than you can find a new one anywhere else right now. Except, again... you can't.
 
Burticus said:
Interesting, I did not see that. But they are all sold out except the high end Titans. They all say "notify me". Too bad, they have GTX 1070's for $399.... which I know is MSRP but cheaper than you can find a new one anywhere else right now. Except, again... you can't.
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they come in stock MULTIPLE times per day.

watch nowinstock.net - sign up for txt alerts or camp the site.
 
4884 said:
If I open up a hot dog stand, and tell my customers "Hey don't put ketchup on my hot dogs, they're supposed to be eaten with mustard only!"
They'll probably tell me to fuck off, they choose how they eat their hot dogs.
But now people back in the line are complaining "We don't put ketchup on them, sell them to us instead of people in front of me!"
Should I prioritize them instead of customers who queue up early?
Should I make my hot dogs taste awful with ketchup, to keep some of my customers away?
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More like this. The guy at the front of a REALLY long line has a dog with him. He thinks his dog can shit coins if he feeds it enough. He then purchases all the hotdogs availble to sell... and feeds them to his Magic Coin Dog and walks away. You then close up shop and tell people to get on a waiting list and maybe you'll have some more hot dogs in a couple months. Or maybe there's a guy in an alley who will sell you one for triple price.

Or how about this. You go to see a new movie that just came out that you're really excited to see. But when you get there you're told that ALL the shows are sold out, a couple random dudes showed up and bought all the tickets so they can stretch out and scratch their balls, because they want to.

There's a word for this and it's called hoarding. I don't like it, but that doesn't make it illegal.

Now if these were life saving drugs or such and this was going on... stuff might get ugly. But because these are essentially luxury items, people say boo hoo, screw you.

I'm out. Nothing to be gained here.
 
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Burticus said:
Or how about this. You go to see a new movie that just came out that you're really excited to see. But when you get there you're told that ALL the shows are sold out, a couple random dudes showed up and bought all the tickets so they can stretch out and scratch their balls, because they want to.
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...and what exactly is going to stop someone from buying it and using it as they please? I dislike miners as much as the next guy but they're buying it for a purpose... just like how gamers buy their cards for a purpose.

It's basic supply and demand whether you agree with it or not.
 
The only rub I see here is if you didn't buy a couple months ago and want to now it sucks. Short of that... if you bought a couple months ago EVEN IF IT IS JUST TO GAME... like me. You can be mining when youre not gaming to make a little extra cream off the top. I don't see the problem with that. Does anyone else?
 
it would help if board partners wouldnt sell to big mining firm directly.. because they does, the card dont even have time to reach selling channel. They dont care they can sell them higher than cost. But it's only short them quick cash.

À 1060 is 659$cad right now, i paid 349$ for it in november. lol

Do I mine with my card, off course when it's idle, i was planning to update yo a 1080 since I bought my 4k tv but that project is on hold.

if it continue like this, ill take my money and buy a xbox one x....
 
I was under the impression the Nvidia has done some driver optimization for mining. If Nvidia wants to help gamers they should increase production.
 
The Nvidia PR guy had to of gotten the keys to companies private island and 6 months paid vacation for coming up with this brilliant good guy, no-effort, press release.
 
I am sure Nvidia really hates that crypto mining is making them a fortune, a fortune more than gaming ever will.
 
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