New Ryzen 2 (Pinnacle Ridge) gets only 200 MHz boost according to a leak

My wife still plays WoW a lot and her stock 1600 plays great with a 75Hz ultra-wide. That at 3.4 all core and maybe occasionally touching 3.6 on a single core. Also that little 1600 of hers impresses me every day more than my 4.0Ghz 1800X.
WoW is the worst game to run AMD cpu cause it have lower clocks and ipc then Intel and wow heavily favours that because of the outdated engine only utilizing one core properly. Wich is why they cant make any graphical improvements because they are still cpu bottlenecked heavily, both my 980ti and 1080ti is running at 50% or less load cause of this, mostly less. but my fps sucks because of this, not even setting to low settings change it cuz it is so bottlenecked. i seriously hope they fix this damn engine some day. but amd is great value and alot of cores is nice as games are not optimized for 4 cores from now on, maybe some but.. 4+ cores is the future. i would guess if u OC the cpu u will see major gains in fps for sure.
 
WoW is the worst game to run AMD cpu cause it have lower clocks and ipc then Intel and wow heavily favours that because of the outdated engine only utilizing one core properly. Wich is why they cant make any graphical improvements because they are still cpu bottlenecked heavily, both my 980ti and 1080ti is running at 50% or less load cause of this, mostly less. but my fps sucks because of this, not even setting to low settings change it cuz it is so bottlenecked. i seriously hope they fix this damn engine some day. but amd is great value and alot of cores is nice as games are not optimized for 4 cores from now on, maybe some but.. 4+ cores is the future. i would guess if u OC the cpu u will see major gains in fps for sure.
Can't speak for you but even on my fx 8350 I ran it at 120 cap, usually 60-70 in 40 man raids with the initial .5 sec dip at the start of the boss fight. She is running a stock 290 and easily pushing 75 capped in world with 50 - 60 raid, again with the initial low at start of boss fight. Damn game will run on a potato now, ever since they added x64 support. The NVidia based graphical settings can be cumbersome but hbao/ssao isn't necessary for gameplay.
 
But even with my 1080 ti and cpu in raids on low settings i could dip to 30 or worse cause of the heavy physics req in raiding, esp. nighthold. it seems they tuned it better after it but. Even so they need to fix engine to utlilize cores better cause if they keep improving graphics u will get 20 fps in raids next expansion lol. In some way it is very well optimized, it is more not so graphical byt style that makes it look great but. But it suffers from not utilizing more then 1 core better, that is it's bottleneck for me. even older rigs could see massive improvements with better multicore improvements.It's quite clearn when u set all to lowest settings and still have same fps its not gpu that is problem but cpu bottleneck. My cpu is still top of the line so in theory it shouldnt be a problem
 
But even with my 1080 ti and cpu in raids on low settings i could dip to 30 or worse cause of the heavy physics req in raiding, esp. nighthold. it seems they tuned it better after it but. Even so they need to fix engine to utlilize cores better cause if they keep improving graphics u will get 20 fps in raids next expansion lol. In some way it is very well optimized, it is more not so graphical byt style that makes it look great but. But it suffers from not utilizing more then 1 core better, that is it's bottleneck for me. even older rigs could see massive improvements with better multicore improvements.It's quite clearn when u set all to lowest settings and still have same fps its not gpu that is problem but cpu bottleneck. My cpu is still top of the line so in theory it shouldnt be a problem

I would only dip to 20's in nighthold when I was using OBS to capture video on 3rd highest settings (maybe 4th) On my 1800X tho ...Using R9 290X
 
Yeah cuz its not a graphics card issue it's cpu bound problem. If u have overlay and watch cpu load u will see it run 1 cpu core to 100% an rest isnt active, maybe a second core runs at max 50%. Or even better look at gpu load aswell, now 280x is an aged card but still good so i wont go into guessing what load it runs at but.
 
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Please go to the Intel forum and make a very negative post about Intel's 200mhz upgrade from the 6700k to 7700k.

Posting that the chip spotted in Sandra is an qualification sample, not an engineering sample, is not making "a very negative post".

Posting the accepted definition of a qualification sample, is not making "a very negative post".

I already read your former comment about 6700k to 7700k, and I ignored it, but if you insist on repeating it to me then let me say one thing: I know some posters that did make very negative posts about Kabylake clocks and accused Intel of milking users and of lack of innovation. The same posters aren't making the same negative comments about Pinnacle Ridge. Even if the final clocks were only 50MHz higher, they would praise AMD and talk about competition and blablabla.

There is a difference between those posters and me. I know how difficult is to get 200MHz from a node optimization. That is the reason why I didn't make any negative comment about 7700k and that is the reason why I am not making any negative comment about this chip (even when I was expecting a 300--400MHz upgrade with Pinnacle Ridge).

When you're OP only gets liked by THE resident shill....

The OP consists of two different parts. One part is the data spotted in Sandra database about a new QS. The other part is a personal comment. The first part are three lines including a link. The comment is a short line.

Some of you are focusing in the comment and ignoring the important part. If haters could downvote the OP, it would have many downvotes now. Others as myself prefer to focus in the important part of the OP and discuss data about this new chip, liking his post for the data, and ignoring the personal comment. That is THE difference...
 
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Not true. Engineering samples come out in phases which are sent to different groups for different reasons. Reviewers like myself don't usually get Engineering Samples that don't represent final silicon. However, OEMs who need to do testing and hardware validation will get various stages of silicon throughout the development process. It is probable that those are the final clocks, but only because the rumored release date isn't that far off.

You are talking about engineering samples. I am talking about qualification samples.

An engineering sample is a prototype of the final product, usually sent to ODMs for testing and enabling them to make their own product around the upcoming final version of the chip. Engineering samples have lower clocks and can lack features, for instance some early engineering samples of Zen had SMT disabled or turbo disabled. AMD denotes engineering samples with a number in the first string of the codename.

A qualification sample is often identical to the commercial version of the chip, usually sent out to OEMs to let them validate their hardware, BIOS, ACPI etc etc, with the final chip. AMD denotes qualification samples with a Z in the first string of the codename.

For R7 Ryzen:

1D2801A2M88E4_32/28_N --> (first batch engineering sample with 2.8GHz base clock and 3.2GHz turbo)

2D3151A2M88E4_35/31_N
--> (second batch engineering sample with 3.1GHz base clock and 3.5GHz turbo)

ZD3601BAM88F4_40/36_Y --> (qualification sample with 3.6GHz base clock and 4.0GHz turbo)

R7 1800X
--> (commercial chip with 3.6GHz base clock and 4.0GHz turbo)
 
In Blade and Soul Ryzen fps goes as low as 20s while Intel i7's can keep above 40 fps. Wish Ryzen 2 can improve it.
 
If it will overclock to 4.5GHz I will buy new Ryzen 2. But if it is only 200MHz, no way. I will wait for 8 core Intel on mainstream platform and buy it right away when it hits the shelves.

If OC potential is 200MHz too, it is a ridiculously low improvement. It makes me really angry to think about it. How can you guys keep calm about it? We were all upset by what Intel did. Intel made very small improvements and sold them with a new mobo. AMD is better in that it won't require a new mobo but it might happen that a new mobo can be a part of the performance boost. How is AMD different than Intel now?
 
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In Blade and Soul Ryzen fps goes as low as 20s while Intel i7's can keep above 40 fps. Wish Ryzen 2 can improve it.

It is a game made by an independent third party, these games tend to show anomalies particularly towards AMD largely running very old engines. I would only count on it getting better if t he Devs can work game code level tweaks.
 
ZD2600BBM68AF_38/34_Y , the nomenclature seems out here, AMD didn't once use in the part ID the designation of the final product. I believe this could be a fake.
 
what a flat out stupid OP. Intel has seen more clock speed drops year to year than increases since 2011 (Ivy, haswell, Broadwell all clock lower than the predecessor), yet people foam at the mouth to get their 0-5% upgrade year on year. this is a 65w TDP part with no xfr and from this leak is almost 10% faster than the chip it's replacing from this leak, but hey, the engineering sample for a 65w TDP chip isn't 5ghz 3 months before launch, FUCK AMD FOREVER! lol.
 
https://hothardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-5-2600-12nm-zen-cpu-asus-crosshair-vii-hero-x470-motherboard

If this leak is true, I will stay away from AMD forever and ever. I will sell my Ryzen 1700 right away. Sorry AMD.

Fine, you evidently have money to burn as you will need an intel CPU and a new mobo, oh but remember that z370 is a dead end so when upgrade to your next cpu you'll need another new mobo. Chances are x370 for AMD will take the Zen 2 chips next year
 
This is the 2600, not the 2600X or the flagship 8 core 2800X product. Just because the 1600 -> 2600 is *probably* (but not confirmed - QS's aren't always final clocks) a 200MHz improvement does not necessarily rule out a higher improvement for the higher end products. Nor does it comment on the overclockability of the product.

I was hoping for ~400MHz improvement at the top end/overclocked this time around, though. So if only 200MHz across all levels, it will be a minor disappointment, unless there are small IPC gains along with it... which I doubt.

Anyway, if I were building today, I'd still wait just in case, but would be leaning 8700k or 7820x. But I'm not, and I'm certainly not going to throw away this box because this tock is smallish. That's kind of stupid.
 
If they can get the clocks up with Zen+- they might be able to post higher multi-thread numbers than Intel is with the 8700k in the majority of end-user scenarios.

Might actually be interesting!
 
what a flat out stupid OP. Intel has seen more clock speed drops year to year than increases since 2011 (Ivy, haswell, Broadwell all clock lower than the predecessor), yet people foam at the mouth to get their 0-5% upgrade year on year. this is a 65w TDP part with no xfr and from this leak is almost 10% faster than the chip it's replacing from this leak, but hey, the engineering sample for a 65w TDP chip isn't 5ghz 3 months before launch, FUCK AMD FOREVER! lol.

Although Intel lowered clock speeds, the CPUs of Intel were always better than AMD's CPUs. I am angry that AMD cannot catch up with Intel. It should not be so difficult.
 
Although Intel lowered clock speeds, the CPUs of Intel were always better than AMD's CPUs. I am angry that AMD cannot catch up with Intel. It should not be so difficult.

How difficult could it be?

It's not like Intel has 14 times the revenue that AMD does.
 
Although Intel lowered clock speeds, the CPUs of Intel were always better than AMD's CPUs. I am angry that AMD cannot catch up with Intel. It should not be so difficult.

Given the R&D budget difference and size disparity between the two companies, it's more of a surprise AMD can compete in any meaningful way at all. It's incredibly difficult to beat Intel at the game it started.
 
MOAR Transistors... thats all they need. And lower power transistors too, just glue that shit on and make it rain.

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Although Intel lowered clock speeds, the CPUs of Intel were always better than AMD's CPUs. I am angry that AMD cannot catch up with Intel. It should not be so difficult.

were always better? lets just ignore the history between the two companies where AMD was dominating the crap out of intel while still at half the budget intel had during the P4 era.. yeah AMD made mistakes and tried some new idea's in an attempt to catch back up to intel after they pulled a rabbit out of a hat with the core 2 architecture but for a company that has the budget they do still willing to go outside the box with architecture designs at least they were trying even if they didn't work out the way they had hoped they would. at the rate intel is going year to year zen 2 has a good chance to surpass intel's performance but only time will tell, either way i'm glad there's finally a slightly cheaper alternative to intel within the same performance range. hopefully zen+ starts another price war that will benefit us again.
 
i7-4770: 3.4 84W
i7-6700: 3.4 65W
i7-7700: 3.6 65W

Better yet, the performance improvements clock-for-clock since Haswell are less than 15% in nearly 5 years.

Troll is a troll.
 
Given the R&D budget difference and size disparity between the two companies, it's more of a surprise AMD can compete in any meaningful way at all. It's incredibly difficult to beat Intel at the game it started.

R&D budget is not everything. It matters but is not everything. The strategy to use the R&D budget is important.

were always better? lets just ignore the history between the two companies where AMD was dominating the crap out of intel while still at half the budget intel had during the P4 era.. yeah AMD made mistakes and tried some new idea's in an attempt to catch back up to intel after they pulled a rabbit out of a hat with the core 2 architecture but for a company that has the budget they do still willing to go outside the box with architecture designs at least they were trying even if they didn't work out the way they had hoped they would. at the rate intel is going year to year zen 2 has a good chance to surpass intel's performance but only time will tell, either way i'm glad there's finally a slightly cheaper alternative to intel within the same performance range. hopefully zen+ starts another price war that will benefit us again.

Yeah I remember AMD was better. I am mad they stayed behind for so long.

How difficult could it be?

It's not like Intel has 14 times the revenue that AMD does.

Revenue is not everything. Revenue can be used various ways.
 
lol, not to mention the Ryzen engineering samples were clocked at 2.8 to 3 ghz on skus that ended up having 3.4 to 3.6ghz base clocks and 3.8 to 4 ghz boost clocks. Intel actually made 0% improvement to ipc and TDP with the 7700 from 6700 and the 5775 has higher ipc than the 6700/7700. AMD makes some actual progress without qualifiers on a simple refresh and it's somehow all shitty.
 
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lol, not to mention the Ryzen engineering samples were clocked at 2.8 to 3 ghz on skus that ended up having 3.4 to 3.6ghz base clocks and 3.8 to 4 ghz boost clocks. Intel actually made 0% improvement to ipc and TDP with the 7700 from 6700 and the 5775 has higher ipc than the 6700/7700. AMD makes some actual progress without qualifiers on a simple refresh and it's somehow all shitty.

As mentioned before, this chip leaked is not an engineering sample, but a qualification sample. The difference between both has been explained in #47. Also, as mentioned before in this thread, the qualification samples for the Summit Ridge chips you mention had exactly the same base clock and turbo (3.4/3.8 GHz and 3.6/4.0GHz respectively) than the commercial chips

ZD3406BAM88F4_38/34_Y ---> (qualification sample for the 1700X)
ZD3601BAM88F4_40/36_Y --> (qualification sample for the 1800X)


There is a possibility than the commercial Pinnacle Ridge chip has higher clocks than its qualification sample (ZD2600BBM68AF_38/34_Y), but usually qualification samples have final clocks. Even if the final chip has higher clocks that the qualification sample, don't expect much more.
 
ryzen 2 and zen 2 are two different things. In fact, ryzen 2 isn't even a thing.

zen, zen+, and zen 2 are architecture names. ryzen is the marketing brand, and zen+ will probably be ryzen 1xxx (eg, r7 1850, 1900, etc) parts just like zen, whereas zen 2 will probably be ryzen 2xxx parts (2800, etc.). Of course, the exact nomenclature may be different, but it should be something like that.
 
Ryzen is great for mining but not much else. just like the vega 64 i have paired with my Ryzen 1700. I'm about to buy an 8700K rig with a 1080ti in it since thats the only reasonable route to buy a 1080ti right now. pre builts are about the only way to buy a 1080ti right now. I've been holding out solid news on the newer chips first. It looks like a safe time to jump back to intel. Thanks for the price drops AMD but you're not gonna be in my desktop.
 
You would jump ship because it was only 200 mhz.. Guess you'll be back.. because Intel does that too..

4790k Base 4.0 Turbo 4.2
6700k Base 4.0 Turbo 4.2
7700k Base 4.2 Turbo 4.5

Wow... look at that speed increase.. LoLz..
 
Zen+ is the name of the architecture. Ryzen 2 is the marketing name.

Oh, so that chart above was all just a bunch of lies?

Ryzen is great for mining but not much else. just like the vega 64 i have paired with my Ryzen 1700. I'm about to buy an 8700K rig with a 1080ti in it since thats the only reasonable route to buy a 1080ti right now. pre builts are about the only way to buy a 1080ti right now. I've been holding out solid news on the newer chips first. It looks like a safe time to jump back to intel. Thanks for the price drops AMD but you're not gonna be in my desktop.

Door is that way, do not let it hit you in the butt.
 
ryzen 2 and zen 2 are two different things. In fact, ryzen 2 isn't even a thing.

zen, zen+, and zen 2 are architecture names. ryzen is the marketing brand, and zen+ will probably be ryzen 1xxx (eg, r7 1850, 1900, etc) parts just like zen, whereas zen 2 will probably be ryzen 2xxx parts (2800, etc.). Of course, the exact nomenclature may be different, but it should be something like that.

zen+ is Ryzen 3/5/7 2xxx and zen 2 will be ryzen 3/5/7 3xxx.
 
Ryzen is great for mining but not much else. just like the vega 64 i have paired with my Ryzen 1700. I'm about to buy an 8700K rig with a 1080ti in it since thats the only reasonable route to buy a 1080ti right now. pre builts are about the only way to buy a 1080ti right now. I've been holding out solid news on the newer chips first. It looks like a safe time to jump back to intel. Thanks for the price drops AMD but you're not gonna be in my desktop.

This is nothing but a troll post.
 
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