AMD Adrenalin Driver Is Causing DirectX 9 Games to Be Unplayable on PC

auntjemima said:
No kidding. Ran a TNT2 on my Celeron 300a with no issues whatsoever. And I certainly never had to switch between drivers.

I like how the AMD guys head back to mention a card from nearly 20 years ago as evidence that Nvidia also has issues. Lol, comical.
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It's not meant to be a modern representation - just my first experience with nVidia hardware, and it was so awful it left a bitter taste in my mouth that is still there today. I have had several other nVidia cards since then, GF2 Ultra, GF3, a GF4 model (can't remember which), the infamous self-unsoldering 8600 laptop chip, an 8800, a 9800, and most recently a 560. Out of those, the only ones I really liked were the GF3 and the 8800. Picture quality (especially color depth and saturation) was worse compared to my Matrox Millenium G400 (which had a much better RAMDAC) in relation to the earlier cards, but I needed more powerful 3D then I could get through a Voodoo 2 card and had to live with it.

In comparison, I've had fewer AMD cards, my first being a 9700, but I've never really been unhappy with them. I trickle down cards when I am done with them (usually first to the wife, then to the kid, then to the Media Center). After the Media Center, the cards are given away to someone that needs them - the last cards to go that way were my 6950 and GF 560, and it only went because SW Battlefront wouldn't work with it. The 290 4G is still going strong (under water), and I have 2 RX 480's (both 8G, one purchased new for $200 and the other from a friend for $150, the $200 one is under water). Media Center is currently on an R7 260. I was glad as hell when that GF 560 rolled out of here...
 
mvmiller12 said:
Were you running on the Super 7 Platform? If no, then this post would naturally have nothing to do with you. Problems with nVidia cards on Super 7 platforms were legendary. Intel chipset and 3DFX users had no problems.
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I've had a voodoo3, TNT2, Matrox G450 and some shitty SiS card in my retro PC running a SS7 board with no real issues. Is this under a certain OS? I run Windows 98se.

Edit: to be clear, I believe you. Back in the day computer hardware not working together was soooooo common. I am just curious, that's all.
 
auntjemima said:
I've had a voodoo3, TNT2, Matrox G450 and some shitty SiS card in my retro PC running a SS7 board with no real issues. Is this under a certain OS? I run Windows 98se.
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Win95 and 98 at the time. Had a lot of problems with that damn TNT2. I don't remember the specific games anymore (it's been almost 20 years!), but I literally had to shuffle drivers to avoid crashes. I had a list of which games worked with which drivers. Replaced that TNT2 with a Voodoo 3, and despite being a slower card the system was rock solid. And yes, I kept my VIA chipset drivers up to date. I will give nVidia credit for the nForce 2 chipset, though. I LOVED my nForce 2 boards.
 
Geez I have always had driver issues with AMD now they are basically telling me to F myself to buy their cards? Ha ha ha that's why I won't touch another AMD cpu or gpu That's BS. Intel and Nvidia will always beat AMD . Intel and Nvidia do FU once in a while but AMD always falters and falls behind Stupid attitude and will hurt Amd card sales. Glad I no longer use any AMD garbage...
 
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AMD said:
This title is from 2007, so we are unlikely to devote any valuable engineering resources to this issue, which is most likely caused by outdated API modules.
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zalazin said:
Geez I have always had driver issues with AMD now they are basically telling me to F myself to buy their cards? Ha ha ha that's why I won't touch another AMD cpu or gpu That's BS. Intel and Nvidia will always beat AMD . Intel and Nvidia do FU once in a while but AMD always falters and falls behind Stupid attitude and will hurt Amd card sales. Glad I no longer use any AMD garbage...
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Whoever on their support forum said the DX9 games were too old was wrong, and they are probably fired or reprimanded. AMD took a big black eye from this idiot. If they thought for one second they could actually do that and not receive tons of complaints they have found out how wrong they were.

I'd bet lots of people never hear it was wrong, or hear after months and it may hurt their sales. What has happened to making customers happy?
 
DeathFromBelow said:
Media Player Classic is dead, ClassicShell is dead, now DirectX 9 games are getting killed off as EOL... The Windows desktop is dying.
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What do you mean Classic Shell is dead? It works perfectly on Win10 and updates regularly too... I am still using Glorious win98 menus on Win10... :)
 
DeathFromBelow said:
Media Player Classic is dead, ClassicShell is dead, now DirectX 9 games are getting killed off as EOL... The Windows desktop is dying.
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Its only very certain DX9 games. I recall Nvidia having this issue as well. That SAGE engine they use seem to be non standard in some way.
 
Pieter3dnow said:
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/am...alin-driver-related-issues-with-a-hotfix.html

Seems that the press did not ask any questions and never approached the right people regarding the driver issue ....
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Not all outlets have access to lead developers at AMD, plus we don't know if their statements are damage control to the viral backlash, or if it was just an honest mistake, there's literally not enough evidence either way. What "the press" DID have is a clear-as-day statement from a representative of AMD saying they were not going to support the games they broke in the new update. Considering how that came from the company itself, I'd say that's fair game.

If I was a reporter and had a mid-tier representative at a dog food company saying they add poison to their dog food and no higher-ups could be reached for comment, you bet your ass I would report that. If they didn't want that going public, they should teach their employees not to say stupid shit. I'm all for the press holding corporate dysfunction to the fire, it came from their end.

Look at it another way: If this never got any mainstream attention, would AMD have bothered to fix it? I would give them a 50-50 chance myself.
 
I hope that original "valuable engineering resources" guy likes ramen
 
It has really only been in the last 1.5 years that AMD drivers have started to go wonky on me, at least with older (4-5 year old) systems. It seems like in every other patch update catalyst/adrenaline now drivers hate it when monitors go to sleep in win7. It requires ctrl-alt-del to wake up the monitor. Lots of other little minor issues on top of that.
 
Touche, looks like it was lackluster reporting then if he's there saying anyone can contact him.
 
tetris42 said:
Not all outlets have access to lead developers at AMD, plus we don't know if their statements are damage control to the viral backlash, or if it was just an honest mistake, there's literally not enough evidence either way. What "the press" DID have is a clear-as-day statement from a representative of AMD saying they were not going to support the games they broke in the new update. Considering how that came from the company itself, I'd say that's fair game.

If I was a reporter and had a mid-tier representative at a dog food company saying they add poison to their dog food and no higher-ups could be reached for comment, you bet your ass I would report that. If they didn't want that going public, they should teach their employees not to say stupid shit. I'm all for the press holding corporate dysfunction to the fire, it came from their end.

Look at it another way: If this never got any mainstream attention, would AMD have bothered to fix it? I would give them a 50-50 chance myself.
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I'm not sure that you fully understand what you are talking about it is clear that the person on twitter is responding to questions about this and he is the one which has been doing this for years.
That people are to lazy and stupid is not a good excuse for finding out from the AMD driver team which has had an online presence since a long long time .

You just prove that you don't give a rats ass about it anyway since you find it odd that a rep can comment on a driver story which has had no dealings with the driver team and what is really disturbing about your comments is that why would AMD have lists with bugs and then not act on it , like I said before people are lazy and stupid and the websites which reported this fall under that catagory ...
 
Pieter3dnow said:
I'm not sure that you fully understand what you are talking about it is clear that the person on twitter is responding to questions about this and he is the one which has been doing this for years.
That people are to lazy and stupid is not a good excuse for finding out from the AMD driver team which has had an online presence since a long long time .

You just prove that you don't give a rats ass about it anyway since you find it odd that a rep can comment on a driver story which has had no dealings with the driver team and what is really disturbing about your comments is that why would AMD have lists with bugs and then not act on it , like I said before people are lazy and stupid and the websites which reported this fall under that catagory ...
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I literally just said it was lackluster reporting in the post before this, in other words, my initial post was wrong, you're right, so why are you saying I don't give a rat's ass about this? You would be right in saying I don't give a rat's ass about this if I didn't literally come out and point to the correct statement. Hell, you even LIKED my next post, so basically you want to pile on somebody who readily admits he's wrong in light of new evidence? Great attitude.

My point was I've seen this swing both ways and at the time I posted that, we didn't have enough evidence either way. A dev saying anyone can contact him on this and saying no one did is pretty good evidence the press is more at fault in the situation. I've also seen statements from head people at companies be complete and utter lies, and the press treats that like it's truth, therefore case closed. For example, Ubisoft has proclaimed they never had a graphics downgrade on Watch Dogs, the press jumped all over that once somebody said otherwise, then Ubisoft doubled-down saying there was no downgrade, despite irrefutable evidence being posted after the fact. Or hey, should we have trusted AMD's intitial claims about Vega a year or two back, that it would blow everything out of the water? Or maybe you remember far back enough when ATI released drivers that would reduce the quality settings when running Quake 3 in order to post higher framerates?

Neither the press nor representatives of corporations are particularly trustworthy. There should be a healthy level of skepticism all around. When evidence is sorely lacking, I can only take my best guess on what's available.
 
tetris42 said:
I literally just said it was lackluster reporting in the post before this, in other words, my initial post was wrong, you're right, so why are you saying I don't give a rat's ass about this? You would be right in saying I don't give a rat's ass about this if I didn't literally come out and point to the correct statement. Hell, you even LIKED my next post, so basically you want to pile on somebody who readily admits he's wrong in light of new evidence? Great attitude.

My point was I've seen this swing both ways and at the time I posted that, we didn't have enough evidence either way. A dev saying anyone can contact him on this and saying no one did is pretty good evidence the press is more at fault in the situation. I've also seen statements from head people at companies be complete and utter lies, and the press treats that like it's truth, therefore case closed. For example, Ubisoft has proclaimed they never had a graphics downgrade on Watch Dogs, the press jumped all over that once somebody said otherwise, then Ubisoft doubled-down saying there was no downgrade, despite irrefutable evidence being posted after the fact. Or hey, should we have trusted AMD's intitial claims about Vega a year or two back, that it would blow everything out of the water? Or maybe you remember far back enough when ATI released drivers that would reduce the quality settings when running Quake 3 in order to post higher framerates?

Neither the press nor representatives of corporations are particularly trustworthy. There should be a healthy level of skepticism all around. When evidence is sorely lacking, I can only take my best guess on what's available.
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It is about what makes sense and what does not. If you want to take people seriously who do you listen to or ask the right questions?

AMD driver team has been fixing bugs for a good while now then why all of a sudden stop doing that , this does not make sense.
 
Pieter3dnow said:
It is about what makes sense and what does not. If you want to take people seriously who do you listen to or ask the right questions?

AMD driver team has been fixing bugs for a good while now then why all of a sudden stop doing that , this does not make sense.
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I think you're not being very imaginative if you think that response couldn't make sense. It all depends on the company culture. There's no way a company like Valve would break support for their older games and leave it that way, they make money to this day off their old games. Meanwhile, EA routinely kills off many of their games more than 4 years old, not only ending support, but rendering many of them unplayable due to reliance on central servers.

As for AMD? While Ryzen has certainly boosted them, they've been a little on the ropes for many years in their GPU division. If an order from management came down that they're no longer supporting older titles as a cost cutting measure, and if a new driver update happens to break some 10 year old games, then so be it, well, that's certainly within the realm of possibilities. It's naive to think otherwise. Now would they not fix bugs for a 3 year old game? No, I would agree, that would not make sense under any scenario. But the older the game, the less likely they are to care about whether it's supported or not. I'm glad that's not the case, but you can't assume much when it comes to corporations. Remember, their ultimate goal is their bottom line. Everything else is secondary. They have to weigh what level of support leads to the best overall results.
 
tetris42 said:
I think you're not being very imaginative if you think that response couldn't make sense. It all depends on the company culture. There's no way a company like Valve would break support for their older games and leave it that way, they make money to this day off their old games. Meanwhile, EA routinely kills off many of their games more than 4 years old, not only ending support, but rendering many of them unplayable due to reliance on central servers.

As for AMD? While Ryzen has certainly boosted them, they've been a little on the ropes for many years in their GPU division. If an order from management came down that they're no longer supporting older titles as a cost cutting measure, and if a new driver update happens to break some 10 year old games, then so be it, well, that's certainly within the realm of possibilities. It's naive to think otherwise. Now would they not fix bugs for a 3 year old game? No, I would agree, that would not make sense under any scenario. But the older the game, the less likely they are to care about whether it's supported or not. I'm glad that's not the case, but you can't assume much when it comes to corporations. Remember, their ultimate goal is their bottom line. Everything else is secondary. They have to weigh what level of support leads to the best overall results.
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It was a bug which was not but for the latest release of the driver it has nothing to do with anything you are describing , where is the logic in not willing to fix a bug which was not in the previous iteration of the driver?
 
Pieter3dnow said:
It was a bug which was not but for the latest release of the driver it has nothing to do with anything you are describing , where is the logic in not willing to fix a bug which was not in the previous iteration of the driver?
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It would depend on the nature of the bug. Say this bug is caused by optimization changes to increase performance in newer games. So newer games will run 15% faster, but then a handful of 10 year old games won't work properly. Depending on what management wanted, that could be seen as an acceptable tradeoff. Now that's not what happened, but again, I think it's naive not to think some companies might consider doing that if they could get away with it. If that went through with a minimum of complaint, then they could dump more legacy support in the future. Next thing you know, they can dump most legacy support and cut support costs by a substantial margin. If it's tolerated, dumping legacy support is a profitable move. If it's not, then it's not. Large corporations (not necessarily AMD) test these limits all the time.
 
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