DHS Allocating $1 Billion to Illegally Scan Americans’ Faces at Airports

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The DHS has announced a new biometrics program that will see facial recognition scanners installed at major airports. Critics are saying that the hardware, which will cost $1 billion in taxpayer funding, doesn’t even work all that well: thousands of people could be flagged as potential criminals due to the cameras’ error rates.

DHS’ biometric exit program also stands on shaky legal ground. Congress has repeatedly ordered the collection of biometrics from foreign nationals at the border but has never clearly authorized the border collection of biometrics from American citizens using face recognition technology. Without explicit authorization, DHS should not be scanning the faces of Americans as they depart on international flights—but DHS is doing it anyway.
 
I agree. I am not for facial recognition as it still has a long way to go anyway.
 
Rather hilarious to see pro-Brennan writers talking about privacy. Do people not see the irony in this?
 
Its ok, we have the patriot act. Thanks Bush.

Did you write your state representative to fight the patriot act? You are culpable as well.

The sad part is that there is a significant segment in America that would rather have the veil of purported safety than the satisfaction of not being monitored and potentially disected every waking moment. I dislike Bush Jr. as well, but can't say that I did anything about it other than bitch and moan for his entire presidency.
 
We're just trying to catch up to China is all. Nothing to see here!

China collecting DNA, biometrics from millions in Xinjiang: report.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/12/asia/china-xinjiang-dna/index.html

According to a document posted on a Xinjiang government website, the main goal of the new scheme "is to fully and accurately verify the real number of Xinjiang's population, to collect the images, fingerprints, iris scans, blood types, and DNA biometrics of those between the age of 12 and 65."

That information is to be linked to residents' hukou, or household registration cards. The controversial registration system limits where people can access education, medical and housing benefits, essentially limiting many to the region where they were born.

"Regulating the management of identification cards is the foundation to creating a basic population database, based on one's ID numbers, for the autonomous region," the government document said.

Officials are instructed to "ensure that the hukou information for everyone in every household, in every village is completely verified in Xinjiang. No one is to be missed."
 
Did you write your state representative to fight the patriot act? You are culpable as well.
Well I was 12 at the time so I wasn’t even really a person in their eyes.

Now the renewal of the act and the passing of the freedom act, I could’ve futilely written on that.
 
Well I was 12 at the time so I wasn’t even really a person in their eyes.

Now the renewal of the act and the passing of the freedom act, I could’ve futilely written on that.

I'm in the same boat, and while I do try to promote the things I'm comfortable with (pushing Bernie since i live in Vermont), I'm certainly not getting my ass handcuffed at protests or making it my mission in life to reestablish our universal human right to privacy. I've been scanned and photo'd so many times at airports I'm sure I already have a massive digital thumbprint on file just for those unnavoidable experiences. I'm certainly not going to be taking a greyhound cross county for a 2 day business retreat. Besides we're moving towards a point where their will be biometric ID's for virtually every facet of life. You can only hold your finger to plug holes in a dam for so long until the town floods.
 
Time for everyone to start wearing offset camo makeup when you leave the house:clown::jawdrop::LOL:
 
they've been watching too many movies. This minority report shit isn't ready
 
So what's illegal? This is like a license plate scanner going around and scanning plates. They are in a public area where there is no expectation of privacy.
 
So what's illegal? This is like a license plate scanner going around and scanning plates. They are in a public area where there is no expectation of privacy.
It's not illegal in public places in the US and they've been doing it for decades. And its okay to photograph those on private property if you are on public property with the minor exception of pics of their privates if they exercised enough caution to have a privacy expectation.
 
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Yes I would like to receive relevant ads from the DHS SafetyMyAds partners program.
 
We all know we want to have the scanner from the original Total Recall in airports. Who cares if you get your full daily dose of rays each time you walk through it.
 
Corporatists getting product sales by controlling government policy and charging it to the taxpayer, a net negative to the total economy.
 
Did you write your state representative to fight the patriot act? You are culpable as well.

The sad part is that there is a significant segment in America that would rather have the veil of purported safety than the satisfaction of not being monitored and potentially disected every waking moment. I dislike Bush Jr. as well, but can't say that I did anything about it other than bitch and moan for his entire presidency.

Yes, and my (former, unfortunately) Senator was the only person in government with the big brass ones to vote against it from when it was introduced - every single time: Russ Feingold. Unfortunately, there's enough pants-wetting cowards who listen to Super PAC advertising that accused him of being soft on terror, intelligence gathering, and so on, that voted the cowardly arse known as Ronald Johnson into office.
 
Just another nail in the coffin for the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

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Depends on where and how it's used.

For instance, everyone entering on an International flight puts their thumb on a fingerprint reader which then scans the FBI's fingerprint database. But that search takes time and the size of that database only grows. But if you use facial recognition on the people as they make their way through the line, you can pre-search and create a much smaller pool and greatly shorten to fingerprint search time.

In this case, they are using it for departures on International flights, but when it comes to leaving, most will be returning and when they do, that process can also be sped up because by collecting the scan data on departure, it can be matched up on entry which can speed up the fingerprint scans as I said above.

This is the face that left .... and this is the face that came back, do they match?

So it depends.

And this is the real issue;

DHS’ uncertainty about biometric exit extends to the current face scan-based program. At a DHS Data Privacy and Integrity Advisory Committee meeting in September 2017, a committee member asked how DHS’ face scanning system would benefit the nation’s immigration system. Instead of identifying these benefits, a senior DHS official paused, then responded tellingly: “It’s not the role of the administrative agency to question what laws are passed. It’s our job to implement laws that are duly passed by Congress.”

Congress order this done, passed a law requiring it and assigning the task to DHS. DHS doesn't have a choice in this, the Agency can't pick and choose which Congressional mandates they will follow and which ones they won't.

If there is a bone to pick over this, it's with Congress, not with DHS. Unless you think DHS is going about this stupidly.
 
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So what's illegal? This is like a license plate scanner going around and scanning plates. They are in a public area where there is no expectation of privacy.

Dude really, you have to present your fucking passport to leave so what's going to be private about the experience.

Besides, we all know the rules are different at a border exit, don't we?
 
Corporatists getting product sales by controlling government policy and charging it to the taxpayer, a net negative to the total economy.
How do you think they control government? Mind Control? Government is equally if not more responsible for this situation.
 
How do you think they control government?
Who do you think pays for their reelection campaigns? Certainly not that $1 donation you can put on your taxes.

Ever since corporations got "people rights" and SuperPACs were formed, the corporate control has never been more blatant.
 
For instance, everyone entering on an International flight puts their thumb on a fingerprint reader which then scans the FBI's fingerprint database
Only foreigners. Americans don't scan their fingerprints.

Dude really, you have to present your fucking passport to leave so what's going to be private about the experience.
In the US you don't show your passport when leaving the country, only on entering.
 
Only foreigners. Americans don't scan their fingerprints.


In the US you don't show your passport when leaving the country, only on entering.

In the US you must present your passport to the ticket agent when checking in for your flight, you must present your boarding pass and your ID, Passport if traveling internationally to DHS at the Security Checkpoints.

But I do think I am mistaken about hitting the fingerprint reader on entry at the INS desk.

https://www.delta.com/content/www/e...ernational-travel/traveling-from-the-u-s.html
Passport
A passport is required for ALL international travel. If you're traveling anywhere overseas, even to Canada, the Caribbean or Mexico, you need a passport to board an international flight and to enter any country. In general, your passport must be valid for at least six months beyond the period of intended stay in a foreign country.

https://www.jetblue.com/travel/international-travel/
A valid passport is required for all customers (regardless of age) traveling to or from the United States.

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/travel/destination/international/passport.aspx
U.S. law requires all customers, regardless of citizenship, age or destination, to hold a secure document to depart the United States by air (one-way or round trip itinerary). A secure document is a passport, U.S. permanent resident card, or Stateless travel document, Re-Entry Permit, NEXUS card, U.S Merchant Mariner Card, military ID or emergency travel document issued by an embassy or consulate.


And to back up the TSA screening ID check part of my statement;
http://traveltips.usatoday.com/tsa-rules-international-travel-62791.html
Identification
Unlike domestic flights, for which the TSA accepts any form of government-issued photo ID, international air travelers are required to use passports.

Really I could go on but it's pointless. This topic is about International Air travel and you do have to present your passport or other acceptable documentation when leaving.
 
LOL, sure, and don't forget to thank the 98 Senators who voted for it, and the Democrats who had full control of congress and the White House, but chose to expand it, and Obama, who went far beyond any of the unwarranted surveillance than Bush ever did.

Not quite as clear cut as that:

2005 Reauthorization:
House:
Yea Votes: 207 Rep, 44 Dem
Nay Votes: 18 Rep, 155 Dem

Senate:
Yea Votes: 55 Rep, 34 Dem
Nay Votes: 0 Rep, 9 Dem

2015 Reauthorization (USA FREEDOM Act):
House:
Yea Votes: 196 Rep, 142 Dem
Nay Votes: 47 Rep, 41 Dem

Senate:
Yea Votes: 23 Rep, 43 Dem
Nay Votes: 30 Rep, 1 Dem

Also have to remember in 2015, the Republicans were voting "No" on absolutely anything proposed by Democrats, so I wouldn't necessarily read that as some coming to their senses.
 
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Really I could go on but it's pointless. This topic is about International Air travel and you do have to present your passport or other acceptable documentation when leaving.

Yes, sorry, you do show at those stages, however that is just a person looking at the picture and looking at you to see if you match. I meant the US doesn't have passport emigration control like every other country where you go up to a desk and they scan a copy of your passport before you leave the country.
 
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