Former Pentagon X-Files Chief: Existence of UFOs “Proved beyond Reasonable Doubt”

Twisted Kidney said:
How can we ever prove hyper intelligent aliens visit earth when anything with even slightly better than average intelligence would avoid contacting us?
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They don't avoid contacting us. They just continually mistake which end of a human the translation device needs to be applied to.
 
Plenty of UFO sightings in the past and some turned out to be skunk works.

Anyone who categorically denies the existence of vehicles that don't show a standardized design is a fool. Ignore them.

As far as aliens piloting them we can speculate :)

If they read forums ...... Take me from this rock plz
 
fightingfi said:
First of all In GOD I Trust NOT Humans, 2nd of all until i can smell touch taste lick feel it i dont beleive it 3rd of all why didnt the us shoot it down with missels and try to see what it really is or was and only photograph video it...........only thing out there is stupid humans wanting to beleive..........
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Let me know what an atom tastes like. What does gamma radiation feel like?
Why would you shoot at sometime that is non-threatening?
 
gxp500 said:
Can you smell/touch/taste/lick/feel god?
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As a biologist let me ask you..

We actually have many more than the elementary 5. Many are subconcious and operate on the biological autonomous level.

So where did the primary 5 physical senses come from?

Ok your answer is safely assumed... evolution..

Where did your concious complexity come from? We dont need to contemplate our selves as individuals or consider where our souls might go or not go or believe and ponder in a God or choose not too in order to outrun a predator. After all even a mouse can outwit or outrun a owl from time to time. They dont ponder thier daily routine or envision a better life for thier kids in the future or design and implement technology like a subatomic super collider to try and resolve our origins and destination.... no sir.

No animals other than humans have written langauge or communicate with wifi. They survive just fine without.

So why then do we have a soul or the ability to ponder whether or not we have a soul and its destination or if there is no destination?

Do you know the answers to these questions? I mean really know them. Not some wild opinion?

So I challenge you... is it possible your wrong simpky because its impossible to ascertain for sure through any sense or method, the affirmament of a higher being whom created us unless said being has set the ways He can be reached?

Many will tell you they have touched and felt God. Who are you to tell them they havent? I have no idea whats in your top dresser drawer much less where you live but if you tell me you have 2 red socks in your drawer and I say your a fool and an idiot for believing what you have seen felt and experienced doesnt that really make me the idiot (assuming the rhetorical).
 
jardows said:
And what is your morality based on?

As for the "UFO's" definitely exist:
Plenty of observable phenomenon that is "unidentified." There is just so much that we don't know and can't explain. However, isn't coming to conclusions without hard evidence a violation of the religion of
Science?

Funny how those who believe in the religion of Science see a fuzzy video of something that cannot be identified, and think "yep, definitely piloted by extra-terrestrials" when there is absolutely no evidence that they are otherworldly in origin.

Yet those same people mock those of us who believe in a transcendent Deity simply because you cannot prove that God exists.
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The morality will be based on some form of collectivism. It always is with these types.
 
M76 said:
Everything you can't identify is an UFO, that doesn't mean they're aliens.
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But the mil pilots decribed flight maneuvers that simple rocks cant make. Again ... discounting valid reports because its heretical tonyour personal belief. Sounds a little bit Salem like to me.
 
fightingfi said:
First of all In GOD I Trust NOT Humans, 2nd of all until i can smell touch taste lick feel it i dont beleive it 3rd of all why didnt the us shoot it down with missels and try to see what it really is or was and only photograph video it...........only thing out there is stupid humans wanting to beleive..........
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jardows said:
religion of
Science
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...I don't even...

Post's of the year right here boys.

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fightingfi said:
Yes any Human being can Feel and Sense GOD.............
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fightingfi said:
GOD Is REAL otherwise Humans wouldnt be alive thats why i dont trust in Humans.................
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Literally completely impossible to prove on any level..Look if you want to believe in god, more power to you, but don't pretend like that belief is in any way a verifiable fact by making complete asinine statements like this.
 
Shmee said:
Well UFO means 'unidentified flying object'. Not aliens, so I believe there are things that fly that we can't identify based on bad video footage.
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This was footage from the most advanced infrared system around (at the time, 2004). The ATFLIR pod. The pilot estimated the object was at a distance of 2000 feet (< 1/2 mile). The ATFLIR pod can track objects upto 40 nautical miles (46 standard miles). So this object would have been WELL within the optimal range of this camera. The significance of that, is that there are no visible wings or tails. Helicopters do have less visible lift surfaces, and as a result they are much slower (less then 200MPH). This was going very fast, and had no lift generating surfaces. As far I know, there is no public demonstration of this ability.
 
Dekoth-E- said:
...I don't even...

Post's of the year right here boys.

Literally completely impossible to prove on any level..Look if you want to believe in god, more power to you, but don't pretend like that belief is in any way a verifiable fact by making complete asinine statements like this.
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There is a difference between science and the religion of Science. Science simply is a means to understand and explain the phenomenon of the world we live in. There are things that are unknown, but the pursuit of science holds the hope that the unknown will become known. The religion of Science vehemently denies that there is anything that cannot be observed by physical means, and looks to find hope and meaning for life in that physical realm. It is the progression of naturalism, and has become a religion for the adherents, with proselytizing efforts fervently underway. If you deny that people put faith in science and treat science as a religion, then you are blind.
 
fightingfi said:
First of all In GOD I Trust NOT Humans, 2nd of all until i can smell touch taste lick feel it i dont beleive it 3rd of all why didnt the us shoot it down with missels and try to see what it really is or was and only photograph video it...........only thing out there is stupid humans wanting to beleive..........
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The technology necessary for Aliens to travel the vast distances needed to visit us would violate our current understanding of physics ... our level of technology (missiles) would be quaint to them.
 
jardows said:
There is a difference between science and the religion of Science. Science simply is a means to understand and explain the phenomenon of the world we live in. There are things that are unknown, but the pursuit of science holds the hope that the unknown will become known. The religion of Science vehemently denies that there is anything that cannot be observed by physical means, and looks to find hope and meaning for life in that physical realm. It is the progression of naturalism, and has become a religion for the adherents, with proselytizing efforts fervently underway. If you deny that people put faith in science and treat science as a religion, then you are blind.
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Please just stop embarrassing yourself.
 
tangoseal said:
So why then do we have a soul or the ability to ponder whether or not we have a soul and its destination or if there is no destination?

Do you know the answers to these questions? I mean really know them. Not some wild opinion?

So I challenge you... is it possible your wrong simpky because its impossible to ascertain for sure through any sense or method, the affirmament of a higher being whom created us unless said being has set the ways He can be reached?

Many will tell you they have touched and felt God. Who are you to tell them they havent? I have no idea whats in your top dresser drawer much less where you live but if you tell me you have 2 red socks in your drawer and I say your a fool and an idiot for believing what you have seen felt and experienced doesnt that really make me the idiot (assuming the rhetorical).
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Whats a soul? Is it some ghostly figure that floats away when i die? You watched too many movies i see.
I don't have all the answers you're seeking, all i can talk about is what i smell/touch/taste/lick and feel.
Bring up god or soul in a court of law an see how far you get, "i was compelled by god to do this" and lawyers will question your sanity.
 
gxp500 said:
Whats a soul? Is it some ghostly figure that floats away when i die? You watched too many movies i see.
I don't have all the answers you're seeking, all i can talk about is what i smell/touch/taste/lick and feel.
Bring up god or soul in a court of law an see how far you get, "i was compelled by god to do this" and lawyers will question your sanity.
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You are so wild in your assumptions of what something is or is not and you apply such an overkill perspective of using SOUL in a court of law as your defining characteristic.

No one said anything about proving or disproving what a soul is. It is the fact that you are so ready and willing and die hard to admit that there is absolutely NO POSSIBILITY of a soul. That is the defining characteristic between someone who is truly close minded or someone that has the ability to discern that there just might be possibilities in the universe that maybe just maybe little ole' me on tiny little Earth can comprehend.

I mean have you ever seen a photo of the Earth from a satellite orbiting Saturn. We look like an infinitesimally small little speck of light and our entire solar system looks like an infinitesimally small speck of light to another star system. The Hubble Deep Field images focused on a spec of sky the size of a penny if you held it at arms length for a long period of time and discovered that there were thousands and thousands of specks of light and when scientists zoomed in they discovered each speck was an entire galaxy each filled with hundreds of billions of stars each with the possibility of countless planetary bodies.

And you sit here and act like there is absolutely NO CHANCE there is a soul or God.

But I digress we are tech forum and this discussion is probably not a welcome discourse so I make this my final post on this forum topic.

Matthew 10:14 - "If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet."
 
I like how this turned into a religious debate shit thread.

The thread is about UFO's. Not Aliens, Jesus, God, or the holy fucking ghost.
 
jardows said:
And what is your morality based on?

As for the "UFO's" definitely exist:
Plenty of observable phenomenon that is "unidentified." There is just so much that we don't know and can't explain. However, isn't coming to conclusions without hard evidence a violation of the religion of
Science?

Funny how those who believe in the religion of Science see a fuzzy video of something that cannot be identified, and think "yep, definitely piloted by extra-terrestrials" when there is absolutely no evidence that they are otherworldly in origin.

Yet those same people mock those of us who believe in a transcendent Deity simply because you cannot prove that God exists.
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im pretty sure there is hard evidence in a bunch of US bunkers...dead bodies, live aliens, secreted technology gleaned from the crashes
just go back to roswell, area 51 and los alamos or even wright patterson


So us common folk would be able to see it or much less be told it's real ...really???
like everyone told how to make a FUSION bomb?...- the most highly secretive knowledge in the USA - not likely
Much less share that knowledge with the world if you come clean - imagine having to share the same tech with the russians - again not likely to say they are real much less show everyone the proof - and have the world demand you fork it over

more like NOT TOLD and KEPT HIDDEN like because a alien invasion would send us into a tizzy. and we all overthrow governments and be rioting in the streets - according to the brookings institute report that the government paid for around 60 years ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brookings_Report

so you really trust your government? -....boy i sure hope you can see thru those mud covered glasses or have an iq that puts you above brain dead
 
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Where's our pictures and video? Because no pictures and video means it didn't happen.
 
Luis Elizondo, who quit as head of the Advanced Threat Identification Programme (AATIP) two months ago, warned nations now “had to be conscious” of the potential threat posed by UFOs.
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Holy shit, X-Com is going to be reality soon! :D
 
This thread is a real eye-opener for me.

Not because of aliens or any sort, mind, but of all the strange new people with various viewpoints that I had no idea existed on these forums...

I should leave my usual subforums more often. :whistle:
 
tangoseal said:
But the mil pilots decribed flight maneuvers that simple rocks cant make. Again ... discounting valid reports because its heretical tonyour personal belief. Sounds a little bit Salem like to me.
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Again... treating nth hand witness reports as proof, because it coincides with your personal beliefs? Sounds like a religion to me.

Eyewitness testimony is the worst, least reliable evidence for anything. More people have claimed they witnessed a miracle by god than those who claim to have seen aliens in flying saucers, and I'm not convinced by them either.
 
For one I would hope we meet them in my life time (either hostile or friendly), because I want to see my religious friends and family try to explain to from one of their misquoted biblical passages that proves they always believed aliens were out there.

As for God, don’t know, I believe something is out there, either a higher power or our alien creators.
 
Back in the early 80's june or july around 8pm... Garden City Michigan, a friend and i saw some lights in the sky. They hovered above Merriman rd for about 10 minutes.. we thought it was a plane... but it was just hanging there... then they rotated CW..then CCW.. so we got on our bikes and tried to follow it. We followed the lights all the way to ford road and down to the K-mart parking lot.. many people saw the same thing, by then we could see planes circling (flashing lights) it finally went off into the distance. For the next 3 nights around the same time i would go out on my porch and it would appear again... my mom woke up to use the bathroom and i dragged her out to the porch to see it... she was confused and did not now what it was. The news papers said that it was a satellite or something. This thing was not more that 100ft off the ground at first. Some years later i was watching an HBO special on UFO's... they talked about planes being scrambled from Selfridge air national guard base during the same time... im not one for ufo's or aliens, but whatever it was it had the attention of the military. I filled out a report on the back of some science magazine and 3 weeks later received a response. Something about swamp gas and outdoor lighting bla bla. true story.
 
I never understood why the thought of extraterrestrials boggled the minds of some. Is it really that far out there to believe other beings exist in the universe?
 
fightingfi said:
First of all In GOD I Trust NOT Humans, 2nd of all until i can smell touch taste lick feel it i dont beleive it 3rd of all why didnt the us shoot it down with missels and try to see what it really is or was and only photograph video it...........only thing out there is stupid humans wanting to beleive..........
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Hmmmm
 
Pringle said:
I never understood why the thought of extraterrestrials boggled the minds of some. Is it really that far out there to believe other beings exist in the universe?
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For some people... unfortunately...

As to why they'd bother to visit us if they were as advanced as they'd need to be to do it, I'm not sure. One would think the curiosity in lesser beings would wear off a bit by that point. :D (unless it's shear novelty and they have a good sense of humor)
 
jardows said:
And what is your morality based on?

As for the "UFO's" definitely exist:
Plenty of observable phenomenon that is "unidentified." There is just so much that we don't know and can't explain. However, isn't coming to conclusions without hard evidence a violation of the religion of
Science?

Funny how those who believe in the religion of Science see a fuzzy video of something that cannot be identified, and think "yep, definitely piloted by extra-terrestrials" when there is absolutely no evidence that they are otherworldly in origin.

Yet those same people mock those of us who believe in a transcendent Deity simply because you cannot prove that God exists.
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I am sorry, but I don't think the majority of scientists believe in UFOs being alien. I think you will find a lot of scientists who believe that alien life may exist, but in what form and where is unknown. Also, most likely that alien life exists somewhere far from us. So don't try to lump the entire scientific community into the alien UFO theories.

tangoseal said:
But the mil pilots decribed flight maneuvers that simple rocks cant make. Again ... discounting valid reports because its heretical tonyour personal belief. Sounds a little bit Salem like to me.
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There was a time when I pilot would say there was no way to break the sound barrier, or no way a pilot could survive all the conditions of flying an SR-71. Or that there was no way to survive space travel. Or no way to survive the g-forces of modern jets. Just because a pilot says something cannot be done, does not mean it actually cannot be done.

Draax said:
The technology necessary for Aliens to travel the vast distances needed to visit us would violate our current understanding of physics ... our level of technology (missiles) would be quaint to them.
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How would it violate our current understanding of physics? Because we can't currently create the technology to effectively travel large distances with the limited resources and funds we have does not mean it violates our understanding of physics. There are all kinds of designs and theories of how we could do interstellar travel using our current understanding of physics. The problem is cost, resources and valid testing.
 
She lusted after their genitals--as large as those of donkeys, and their seminal emission was as strong as that of stallions.

Ezekiel 23:20
 
NoOther said:
How would it violate our current understanding of physics? Because we can't currently create the technology to effectively travel large distances with the limited resources and funds we have does not mean it violates our understanding of physics. There are all kinds of designs and theories of how we could do interstellar travel using our current understanding of physics. The problem is cost, resources and valid testing.
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In order to travel the vast distances necessary for contact one would need to travel at near the speed of light or better. Our current understanding of physics states that for matter to travel at such a speed you would require near or infinite amounts of energy.
 
Draax said:
In order to travel the vast distances necessary for contact one would need to travel at near the speed of light or better. Our current understanding of physics states that for matter to travel at such a speed you would require near or infinite amounts of energy.
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That does not exclude the ability to do interstellar travel. You are assuming that alien life has the same lifespan or sense of time as we do. You are also assuming that the UFOs are controlled by biologic life. Why would one have to travel at near the speed of light or more? Traveling at less than the speed of light can still get one from place to place. There was just a link here about NASA planning to travel to another solar system.
 
NoOther said:
I am sorry, but I don't think the majority of scientists believe in UFOs being alien. I think you will find a lot of scientists who believe that alien life may exist, but in what form and where is unknown. Also, most likely that alien life exists somewhere far from us. So don't try to lump the entire scientific community into the alien UFO theories.
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Don't be sorry. I am not implying the entire scientific community believes in intelligent extra-terrestrials flying ships around our atmosphere. I am simply addressing those who do, and finding it ironic that some will state without hesitation that extraterrestrial intelligence is absolutely the explanation for these phenomena, without any evidence, while at the same time mock those of us who believe in God simply because we cannot prove God exists using physical means of measurement.
 
fightingfi said:
First of all In GOD I Trust NOT Humans, 2nd of all until i can smell touch taste lick feel it i dont beleive it 3rd of all why didnt the us shoot it down with missels and try to see what it really is or was and only photograph video it...........only thing out there is stupid humans wanting to beleive..........
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Second seems to be in conflict with your first...

I totally agree with that last part.. many versions around the world but they all think their skydaddy is the one.

Aliens existing a far better chance.
 
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