NORAD Tracks Santa’s Christmas Eve Movements for 62nd Year

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The North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) is for the 62nd year tracking the flight path of Santa Claus and his sleigh as he makes his way around the world on Christmas Eve. NORADsanta.org shows visitors Santa’s location on a world map, his next stop, and his expected arrival time at a selected location. The site also displays a running tab of how many gifts he has delivered and shows the weather at the North Pole.
 
This for 62 years?

So many kids growing up only to find out the same thing what their parents found out at their age about Santa.....

It's like chain letters.
 
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Doesn't matter anymore. You have the new breeds raising kids who don't believe in "lying" to their kids about Santa so they tell everyone @ 5 years old Santa is not real.

Fucking moron parents.
 
Hallucinator said:
This for 62 years? So many kids growing up only to find out the same thing what their parents found out at their age about Santa.....
It's like chain letters.
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Parents lie to their children when they tell them Santa is real, Commercialism thrives on the lie and Coca-Cola tied it all together with a nice red bow when it invented "Santa" in the 1950's
 
doz said:
Doesn't matter anymore. You have the new breeds raising kids who don't believe in "lying" to their kids about Santa so they tell everyone @ 5 years old Santa is not real.

Fucking moron parents.
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I don't lie to my child, lying is retarded (kinda like the myth of Santa)...you lie to your child all you want...just don't expect me the join in on the lie, lie to my child or support your lies....simple as that.

I'm not doing anything wrong...not me that is full of lies.
 
Can we get this program's funding cut? I know it won't save much money, but every little bit helps.

Factum said:
I don't lie to my child, lying is retarded (kinda like the myth of Santa)...you lie to your child all you want...just don't expect me the join in on the lie, lie to my child or support your lies....simple as that.

I'm not doing anything wrong...not me that is full of lies.
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Parents lie to their children and they wonder why some children have problems trusting their parents (or anyone else for that matter) about other things? If you lie to your children, you are a bad parent. (I don't have children, but if I do, I would refuse to lie to them as it teaches them that lying is OK, which it is not.)

I would love for someone to tell me how lying is a good thing (unless you are doing it to save someone's life). That argument would be interesting.
 
[21CW]killerofall said:
Parents lie to their children and they wonder why some children have problems trusting their parents (or anyone else for that matter) about other things? If you lie to your children, you are a bad parent. (I don't have children, but if I do, I would refuse to lie to them as it teaches them that lying is OK, which it is not.)

I would love for someone to tell me how lying is a good thing (unless you are doing it to save someone's life). That argument would be interesting.
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Sometimes it's best just to let kids be kids. They don't need to know everything terrible about the world when they are 5 years old, and they do not possess the faculties to understand it, even if you were to tell them everything.

if you do ever have children, you will understand this.
 
Crosshairs said:
Sometimes it's best just to let kids be kids. They don't need to know everything terrible about the world when they are 5 years old, and they do not possess the faculties to understand it, even if you were to tell them everything.

if you do ever have children, you will understand this.
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So how is Santa not existing a terrible thing? I understand oversimplifying things so that kids can understand it but why just make something up when you can have a simple explanation? You could just say "mommy and daddy got you the gifts." Why lie when there is no need to?
 
Crosshairs said:
Sometimes it's best just to let kids be kids. They don't need to know everything terrible about the world when they are 5 years old, and they do not possess the faculties to understand it, even if you were to tell them everything.

if you do ever have children, you will understand this.
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I will not lie and make pretend that lies are real.
Why is lying to your child about "Santa" a good thing?
I see lying about "Santa" as a bad thing.
Children don't need lies served as reality...if you want to "lie"...use fairytales/fiction...but don't try and defend lies about "santa" as a good thing...your are lying to your child, simple as that.

The mother of my daugther tried the "lying" approch to "santa"...I took the honest road...guess who my daugther got annoyed at?
 
[21CW]killerofall said:
So how is Santa not existing a terrible thing? I understand oversimplifying things so that kids can understand it but why just make something up when you can have a simple explanation? You could just say "mommy and daddy got you the gifts." Why lie when there is no need to?
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Factum said:
I will not lie and make pretend that lies are real.
Why is lying to your child about "Santa" a good thing?
I see lying about "Santa" as a bad thing.
Children don't need lies served as reality...if you want to "lie"...use fairytales/fiction...but don't try and defend lies about "santa" as a good thing...your are lying to your child, simple as that.

The mother of my daugther tried the "lying" approch to "santa"...I took the honest road...guess who my daugther got annoyed at?
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nowhere in either of your original replies did either of you mention this was strictly about Santa ..so perhaps I misunderstood your positions.
 
Ah well...we can include all other made up characters too? ^^
But since this was,about the US military wasting money "tracking santa" I was talk about "santa"...but my rule applies to anything from "santa" to news to sex...I don't lie to children.
I remember how annoyed I got at my parents for trying to lie to me about "santa".
I remember the all the "innocent lies" adults tried to tell me as kid...I really hated being lied to.
Sadly most parents forget that felling, turn of the brain and uses "tradition" to justify why the lie to their children...
 
We will just have to disagree. I don't think children need the truth all the time. They need to be able to be children.

Part of being a parent is protecting them, and if lying about a particular thing does that, then so be it.

And just to be clear, I am talking about young children, not young adults .
 
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Factum said:
Ah well...we can include all other made up characters too? ^^
But since this was,about the US military wasting money "tracking santa" I was talk about "santa"...but my rule applies to anything from "santa" to news to sex...I don't lie to children.
I remember how annoyed I got at my parents for trying to lie to me about "santa".
I remember the all the "innocent lies" adults tried to tell me as kid...I really hated being lied to.
Sadly most parents forget that felling, turn of the brain and uses "tradition" to justify why the lie to their children...
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There's nothing wrong with letting a kid believe in such things. Eventually they will figure it out and question you about it only then should you just tell them the truth. But as long as they're still young kids, there's really no harm in letting them have fun in the spirit of tradition.
 
I guess we really have a fundamental difference here.
I do not think lying to children is a good thing...you are doing the child a disfavour.

My daughter loves the fact that she knows I never lie to her...she is 14, almost 15...not lying to her has really allowed us to bond and have a close relationship...and have made her an excellent observer...and vey good at spotting people lying to her.

I consider that a major bonus...that it killed "Santa"...I don't see that as a negative.

And try and reverse the roles...you want your child to lie to you?
Your child is only doing it to "protect" you...copying your behavior...circle complete ;)
 
NickJames said:
There's nothing wrong with letting a kid believe in such things. Eventually they will figure it out and question you about it only then should you just tell them the truth. But as long as they're still young kids, there's really no harm in letting them have fun in the spirit of tradition.
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You just turned "tradition" into:
Keep lying...your parents did it to you...so it's okay to lie to your children.

My daughter asked me about "Santa" when she was 3 or 4 years old.
I was honest...her mother wasn't.
She got real mad at her mother for lying to her...her mother got mad at me for being honest.

The way I see it...lies about "Santa" has nothing to do with the children...it's an excuse for adults to lie...because that is how it used to be done...dead fish floating with the stream.
 
Factum said:
I guess we really have a fundamental difference here.
I do not think lying to children is a good thing...you are doing the child a disfavour.

My daughter loves the fact that she knows I never lie to her...she is 14, almost 15...not lying to her has really allowed us to bond and have a close relationship...and have made her an excellent observer...and very good at spotting people lying to her.

I consider that a major bonus...that it killed "Santa"...I don't see that as a negative.

And try and reverse the roles...you want your child to lie to you?
Your child is only doing it to "protect" you...copying your behavior...circle complete ;)
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I feel the same way. If you don't like being lied to, why would you think that others would? Lying to your children erodes their trust in you, just like lying to anyone else also erodes their trust in you. By lying to your children, you are teaching them that lying is OK. Lying is not OK.
 
Oh boy.. there's some other deep seated issues here I am not going to touch lol. Also good luck making it through this world without ever telling a lie because that is impossible.
 
[21CW]killerofall said:
I feel the same way. If you don't like being lied to, why would you think that others would? Lying to your children erodes their trust in you, just like lying to anyone else also erodes their trust in you. By lying to your children, you are teaching them that lying is OK. Lying is not OK.
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It is obvious that you don't have kids. If you do have kids and I am wrong, I can assure you that you are lying to yourself if you try and believe that you never told them a lie (a lie is a lie, no matter how small it is). If you really believe that "lying" about Santa being real erodes trust with your kids, you might just have mental issues.
 
Everyone's situation is different, and everyone's family is different. If not doing the Santa thing works for your family, that is great, just respect what others are doing also.

I have two boys and the oldest now knows about Santa. It was an awesome experience when we sat down with him two years ago to talk about Santa. We had a great talk about Saint Nicholas and who he was, how that became a tradition of giving gifts, and how the spirit of Christmas is about carrying on the tradition, so becoming 'Santa Claus'. He was super excited to now join in with being Santa for his younger brother. So in essence, our talk is that Santa is real, because we make him real through our love, giving, and service to others.

Works for us.
 
doz said:
It is obvious that you don't have kids. If you do have kids and I am wrong, I can assure you that you are lying to yourself if you try and believe that you never told them a lie (a lie is a lie, no matter how small it is). If you really believe that "lying" about Santa being real erodes trust with your kids, you might just have mental issues.
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If it is "obvious" that he doesn't have kids...did you on purpose forget about me?
 
che said:
Everyone's situation is different, and everyone's family is different. If not doing the Santa thing works for your family, that is great, just respect what others are doing also.

I have two boys and the oldest now knows about Santa. It was an awesome experience when we sat down with him two years ago to talk about Santa. We had a great talk about Saint Nicholas and who he was, how that became a tradition of giving gifts, and how the spirit of Christmas is about carrying on the tradition, so becoming 'Santa Claus'. He was super excited to now join in with being Santa for his younger brother. So in essence, our talk is that Santa is real, because we make him real through our love, giving, and service to others.

Works for us.
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You explained a false myth to him, sorry to say.
Christians like to "patent" several celebrations...and try and cover up the pagan roots.

"Santa" is way older than the myth about "Sct. Nicolai".
If you are from Scandinavia you most likely know that Wodan rode on his eight-legged horse "Slepnir" (hence eight raindeer on "santa's" sleigh) in a red cape at Yule bringing gifts to humans.

We still use the pagan name (Jul) in Scadinavia...and not the newer name of "Christ mass".

You sinply replaced one lie...with an older lie...
 
Factum said:
If it is "obvious" that he doesn't have kids...did you on purpose forget about me?
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I'm sure you never lied to your kids, about anything...... Not even as simple as the smallest lie. Perfect parent here who has never lied about ANYTHING. Maybe you are in line to be the next God?
 
doz said:
I'm sure you never lied to your kids, about anything...... Not even as simple as the smallest lie. Perfect parent here who has never lied about ANYTHING. Maybe you are in line to be the next God?
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You think children are little fragile snowflakes that must be shield from the cruel, cruel world?
Now I am wondering if you have any kids yourself?

Or a mental issue were you just are dandy with lies...which makes me wonder about your upbrining
(you started the mental issue thing)...

A lie is a lie...and lies break the bond of trust....especially to children.
 
Factum said:
You think children are little fragile snowflakes that must be shield from the cruel, cruel world?
Now I am wondering if you have any kids yourself?

Or a mental issue were you just are dandy with lies...which makes me wonder about your upbrining
(you started the mental issue thing)...

A lie is a lie...and lies break the bond of trust....especially to children.
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Come to Vegas. My rowdy ass kids will teach you a thing about life and probably make you run for the hills :D We can have some beers, share some stories, cause some trouble, then you can really see how much honesty and dysfunction goes on around here! But I will still lie to my kid about Santa.
 
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