Kaspersky Labs Sues Trump Administration

Delicieuxz said:
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Kapsersky said it never received any more malware samples from that particularly user, and went public with its Equation Group findings in February 2015. It says that after that disclosure, it began to find more Equation Group malware samples in the same IP range as the original discovery – honeypots to snare whoever may have stolen copies of the cyber-weapons, presumably.

"These seem to have been configured as 'honeypots', each computer being loaded with various Equation-related samples," Kaspersky Lab said. "No unusual (non-executable) samples have been detected and submitted from these 'honeypots' and detections have not been processed in any special way."
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Agent "accidentally" leaks sensitive NSA code to Kaspersky, and they say they deleted it and never shared it. Meanwhile the NSA is patiently waiting to see where that code appears in the wild so they can determine if Kaspersky is telling the truth or not and bring the hammer down.
 
Yikes fake news defense being spouted again. To the blind - Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.
I feel like this needs to be posted everywhere often. Eventually a few will look it up and realize what's happening.
 
Anyone who wants to install the Russian admin level backdoor, or wants to defend it's use in US Gov computer networks, lacks critical thinking.
 
thebufenator said:
Anyone who wants to install the Russian admin level backdoor, or wants to defend it's use in US Gov computer networks, lacks critical thinking.
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Anyone making that fallacious argument, particularly as defence for a prior fallacious argument, and especially while using compromised US software such as Windows, Skype, and hundreds of others, lacks critical thinking and understanding for the words they use.
 
TheShniz said:
Agreed, please stop with this nonsense... been seeing more and more headlines like this from [H]

- J
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Agreed. Kyle needs to take the bull by the horns here. This is how a credible and established site slowly becomes WCCFTech. And no one should ever go full WCCFTech...
 
Sonicks said:
If there is one scary thing about the current administration it's this:

A lot of followers of Trump have blindly accepted that any information that doesn't play into their narrative is unequivocally fake. All critical thinking out the window because of a few buzz words that don't fit the Trump agenda. Think about it for a second and there is nothing misleading about the headline and you know...try to read the article?

Disagree with Democrats and Republicans all you want but the flat out denial of facts that you don't like should never be the norm.
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To me the scary thing is people who think that the whole fake News Sensation is about blindly following Trump.

The New York Times, The Washington Post, and CNN are Printing retractions and adjustments so fast you could hardly call it news. That is not what responsible journalism looks like.

This literally has nothing to do with Trump, but because Trump pointed it out, now people who are mentally unhinged and need to feel compelled to oppose something just because Trump pointed it out disregard even the truth of it.

It's like some sort of mental illness, that they care about what Trump says, so they can go the opposite direction, all while claiming they don't care what Trump says. All the while disregarding anyone else who also points out the same thing and maybe more credible just because it also happens to a align with something Trump may have once pointed out at one time.

People for a long time before Trump felt like the media was propaganda.

Now more than ever, there's plenty of evidence of this. And the same people who claimed it pre Trump now refuse to believe it because they don't want to be seen as agreeing with him.

Truly a psychological disorder...
 
Delicieuxz said:
Anyone making that fallacious argument, particularly as defence for a prior fallacious argument, and especially while using compromised US software such as Windows, Skype, and hundreds of others, lacks critical thinking and understanding for the words they use.
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Let's consider for a moment that cyber is the next domain of warfare. Also consider that any modern security product is cloud-enabled, and has admin privileges. Do you understand what that enables?

Would you consider it wise to pay a Russian security company to guard US Nuke bases? Might be cheap during peace, but would it be a good idea if we were at war with Russia?

Why then do you think its fine to pay a Russian company to have an admin backdoor on your computer?
 
thebufenator said:
Let's consider for a moment that cyber is the next domain of warfare. Also consider that any modern security product is cloud-enabled, and has admin privileges. Do you understand what that enables?

Would you consider it wise to pay a Russian security company to guard US Nuke bases? Might be cheap during peace, but would it be a good idea if we were at war with Russia?

Why then do you think its fine to pay a Russian company to have an admin backdoor on your computer?
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I don't think governments are running any commercial or cloud-based anti-virus software on systems managing nukes, as I don't think that systems managing nukes are even connected to outside networks, as that would be extremely reckless in providing a route for hackers to access them. So, I think that's a moot question.

Along the same lines as the question you posed: As an individual that is not at risk of being persecuted, rightfully or wrongfully, by Russia, but who likely is in the domain of US influence and persecution-ability, why would you think it's more fine to allow US government-backdoored software on your PC? I think that would be a much greater risk to you, as an individual.

For myself, who isn't running PCs with secret company information, and who doesn't live in the US, and who, like the world in general, trusts the US less than I trust Russia, I recognize there to be a greater threat from the US than from Russia.


Since you're likely posting your message from a Windows OS (and if not, you likely have a paid license for some US-government backdoored software, since there's thousands and thousands of them), why do you think it's fine to pay a US company to have an admin backdoor on your computer, but not a Russian company to have one? Surely you aren't operating nukes, of national defence systems on your PC.

The US' hands are the dirtiest of all, when comes to cyber-espionage and cyber-attacks. And we daily use US software knowing full well that it is exploited by companies and the US government.

While the issue in general concerns me, and I think the whole state of software privacy and security a big mess right now, largely due to the US' government and its companies, I think there is no valid or truth-based point to make that US software is any more secure, and US companies and the US government any more trust-worthy with what they could be doing. I actually think the opposite. After all, it's the US government that we know hacks every device on the planet, and has agreements with tons of US companies to provide backdoors into US software. And I don't see the internet as US territory, where US propaganda should get a free pass over other nations' propaganda. So, I'm not going to pretend that the US are the 'good guys', because the US aren't 'good guys', and are nowhere close to being that.
 
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Delicieuxz said:
The US' hands are the dirtiest of all, when comes to espionage and cyber-attacks.
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I think you don't have an accurate view of what nations are conducting malicious cyber attacks. Just look at how many of the recent European elections had Russian interference.

What country are you btw?
 
thebufenator said:
I think you don't have an accurate view of what nations are conducting malicious cyber attacks. Just look at how many of the recent European elections had Russian interference.

What country are you btw?
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I'm in Canada. And which countries do you think experienced Russian interference? That's mostly propaganda, repeated ad nauseum especially in the US because it hypes the public into Russophobia, which is a goal of many news companies and political interests in the US. France's security services stated there was no Russian interference in their election, while no signs of Russian interference were found during Germany's election, and leading Russophobes Theresa May and Boris Johnson have both recently repeatedly said there was no Russian interference in the Brexit vote:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...ians-spent-just-73-pence-ads-brexit-campaign/
https://www.rt.com/uk/408493-russia-brexit-johnson-election/
https://www.rt.com/uk/410540-boris-johnson-russia-interference/
https://www.rt.com/uk/409953-may-russia-brexit-referendum/

So, in which countries' elections do you posit Russia to have interfered in?


Concerning the US, we know they created Stuxnet, and the tool that was used for WannaCry (regardless of who released WannaCry). Thanks to WikiLeaks, we know that the US has backdoored most smartphones, a lot of routers, motherboard firmware, and made deals with thousands of US companies to share information. We also have treasure troves of the US' hacking tools, which are extremely malicious in nature.

We also know that the US has interfered in elections, governments, and democracies throughout Europe and the world. When it comes to interfering in elections, Russia is an angel when compared to the US.
 
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viscountalpha said:
Wasn't Kaspersky caught with stolen files that were improperly flagged? How is this even a case?

https://arstechnica.com/information...ms-kaspersky-helped-steal-secret-nsa-secrets/
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This.

Delicieuxz said:
At any rate, the extensively-proven exploitation of US software by US security services is a much greater threat to people living in North America than hypothetical infiltration by Russian security services.
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There is nothing hypothetical about Russia's cyber attacks on our democracy. They are well documented now by every U.S. intelligence agency.
 
I just hope Trump doesn't start to think russians have installed spy camera in all his underwear and he starts walking around naked
 
Given the choices available for Imperious Leader in 2016, why would the Russians even bother? We were screwed no matter which awful choice got the the most electoral votes. Just glad my state uses scanned paper ballots. At least we can hand count if we suspect something funny happened to the electronic count.

Unless Kaspersky has used all of the administrative appeals processes available to folks selling stuff to the Feds, the courts may well bounce this.
 
Delicieuxz said:
I'm in Canada. And which countries do you think experienced Russian interference? That's mostly propaganda, repeated ad nauseum especially in the US because it hypes the public into Russophobia, which is a goal of many news companies and political interests in the US. France's security services stated there was no Russian interference in their election, while no signs of Russian interference were found during Germany's election, and leading Russophobes Theresa May and Boris Johnson have both recently repeatedly said there was no Russian interference in the Brexit vote:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...ians-spent-just-73-pence-ads-brexit-campaign/
https://www.rt.com/uk/408493-russia-brexit-johnson-election/
https://www.rt.com/uk/410540-boris-johnson-russia-interference/
https://www.rt.com/uk/409953-may-russia-brexit-referendum/

So, in which countries' elections do you posit Russia to have interfered in?


Concerning the US, we know they created Stuxnet, and the tool that was used for WannaCry (regardless of who released WannaCry). Thanks to WikiLeaks, we know that the US has backdoored most smartphones, a lot of routers, motherboard firmware, and made deals with thousands of US companies to share information. We also have treasure troves of the US' hacking tools, which are extremely malicious in nature.

We also know that the US has interfered in elections, governments, and democracies throughout Europe and the world. When it comes to interfering in elections, Russia is an angel when compared to the US.
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You just quoted rt? That's awesome. Not sure that would be unbiased :ROFLMAO:

Here is some reading to get started https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fancy_Bear
 
thebufenator said:
You just quoted rt? That's awesome. Not sure that would be unbiased :ROFLMAO:
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Well, the RT articles present and quote videos of Theresa May and Boris Johnson in the UK legislature saying that there have been no signs of Russian interference in Brexit. So, the sources are Theresa May and Boris Johnson, and not RT. I guess it's to RT's credit that they presented those videos while many other news outlets didn't.

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Here is some reading to get started https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fancy_Bear
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Fancy Bear, a group not confirmed to be linked to Russia, has got nothing on the US' Equation Group.

https://arstechnica.com/information...-nsa-hid-for-14-years-and-were-found-at-last/
 
Time to remove this bullshit news site from my RSS. So many click bait fake news run here, I no longer need to read this piece of shit.
 
Madoc said:
Cyberguyz, have you ever seen a Commie drink a glass of water?
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Have you ever seen a redneck drink one?

oROEchimaru said:
were they not caught (possibly offguard) with russian vulnerabilities? I think kaspersky is saying "we had a vulnerability but it was not intentional" . ... which puts them in an awkward spot for being a russian based company which is dumb in the first place for the government to trust for security software. however USA didn't ban cisco, microsoft etc who had dozens/hundreds of vulnerabilities exploited by the russians, chinese and north koreans.
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I would suspect that if the competing American ISec products were scrutinized as closely the same (or worse) will be found in them. Pretty much the point I was attempting to make.

viscountalpha said:
Wasn't Kaspersky caught with stolen files that were improperly flagged? How is this even a case?

https://arstechnica.com/information...ms-kaspersky-helped-steal-secret-nsa-secrets/
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Most ISec systems have the default function of sending suspect data home for analysis. Even the Windows Defender baked into windows 10 does it unless you manually disable it (which makes the icon display a yellow exclamation mark!). Why should Kaspersky be any different? As a security measure I turn off that function when I can. In packages that don't let me do that (there are a few that force you to send your suspect files home), well they get uninstalled and replaced with products that let me turn it off.
 
Dead Parrot said:
Given the choices available for Imperious Leader in 2016, why would the Russians even bother? We were screwed no matter which awful choice got the the most electoral votes. Just glad my state uses scanned paper ballots. At least we can hand count if we suspect something funny happened to the electronic count.

Unless Kaspersky has used all of the administrative appeals processes available to folks selling stuff to the Feds, the courts may well bounce this.
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Because one of the choices was an orange bafoon with a fragile ego who will do anything for money/stroking that ego. The other was just a 4 year extension of the previous administration...... And what do you know, the bafoon still hasn't enacted the sanctions that were supposed to target Russia over the election tampering......

On top of them helping place us with the most unqualified president ever, they got to test large scale election fuckery. If you think this wasn't just a warm up you are kidding yourself. And if we don't do something about it now, next election is going to be MUCH MUCH worse.
 
cyberguyz said:
Have you ever seen a redneck drink one?
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More people need to see Doctor Strangelove, or How I learned to Quit Worrying and Love the Bomb. Then they would know that the Commies are attempting to impurify our precious bodily fluids though the use of fluoridation.
 
Delicieuxz said:
Anyone making that fallacious argument, particularly as defence for a prior fallacious argument, and especially while using compromised US software such as Windows, Skype, and hundreds of others, lacks critical thinking and understanding for the words they use.
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This is some naive thinking. If you think Microsoft poses the same security threat to the US Government, or the US people, as does Kaepersky passing along information to the Russian government...

Too much false equivalence.
 
Biznatch said:
Because one of the choices was an orange bafoon with a fragile ego who will do anything for money/stroking that ego. The other was just a 4 year extension of the previous administration...... And what do you know, the bafoon still hasn't enacted the sanctions that were supposed to target Russia over the election tampering......

On top of them helping place us with the most unqualified president ever, they got to test large scale election fuckery. If you think this wasn't just a warm up you are kidding yourself. And if we don't do something about it now, next election is going to be MUCH MUCH worse.
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Don't worry, we still don't have an ambassador to South Korea, but we're tweeting personal threats to their nuclear-equipped leader, so we're well on top of it.

Oh and that kerfuffle with Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Qatar, UAE, etc...don't worry, we have no ambassador to Saudi Arabia either. Nor Turkey, Egypt, Jordan, Qatar...
 
Madoc said:
More people need to see Doctor Strangelove, or How I learned to Quit Worrying and Love the Bomb. Then they would know that the Commies are attempting to impurify our precious bodily fluids though the use of fluoridation.
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Time to start digging to avoid the Mine Shaft Gap.
 
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