Intel's 8th Generation Core Family - Coffee Lake (LGA 1151, 6C/12T)

Where do you expect Core i7-8700K's Turbo to land?

  • 3.8/3.9 GHz

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • 4.0/4.1 GHz

    Votes: 3 23.1%

  • 4.2/4.3 GHz

    Votes: 6 46.2%

  • 4.4/4.5 GHz

    Votes: 3 23.1%

  • 4.6/4.7 GHz

    Votes: 1 7.7%
  • Total voters
    13
  • Poll closed .
juanrga said:
You mean all those predictions that I got right and you got wrong despite your imaginary overclocker friend was giving you supersecret info/leaks?

Writing here all the nonsense and hype you have posted during three last years would be time consuming. So I will write a resume of some of the more glaring nonsense you posted:

* SMU is AMD version of hyperthreading.
* RyZen does 5GHz on air without problems.
* RyZen IPC is 10% higher than Kabylake.
* Current Ryzen models (1700/1700X/1800X) are "engineering samples" that AMD is re-branding as retails chips. The true RyZen chips have not still launched.
* Magic BIOS update will increase RyZen performance by 40%.
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I think you are confusing me with all your angsty boyfriends on semi accurate.

Just for the record i went with haswell performance not kabylake and i challenge you to find where i said that. All i know is my initial 135 @3.5 was a lot closer than your 104 and other whack vs APU predictions.

He did leak threadripper details to the finest detail 4 months before, something you disputed and again got wrong.

Anyways you seem very salty these days. It's nourishing
 
Speedeu4ia said:
Lately it always seemed to me that the 1st batch people had the best luck with and later they were more average. I seem to never get a great chip, well maybe an old q9650 that was good.

The temps are higher that I expected but on par with my 7700k @4.8. what cooler do you have?
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Phanteks PH-TC14PE with Liquid Ultra TIM.
 
juanrga said:
i7-8700k is #3 in Amazon best-selling list.

R7-1800x is #19.
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The 1800X has also been on the market for like 10 months, by now the demand would be less. This while the waiting list on the 8700K is "please wait they are coming".

As for cheaper the 8700K was listed on amazon for 469 dollars while the 1800X is like 350, I don't think numbers are your strong point.

Keep being a angsty b....h it's helping the day go by faster.
 
juanrga said:
LOL. Nightfire compared the 1800X with the 8700k. I replied him with data about the 1800X and the 8700k. Then you didn't like the data given and after making a silly remark about the 8700k, wanted to change the discussion to 1600 vs 7700k.

Now we are onto amazon wishlists as the binding bible of bullchit, there are no numbers on total units sold but Ryzen is pretty much bought out and the demand is going to be less than the "hope they have stock" coffee lake parts. The fact that Ryzens are still on their shows at least the market is still buying them.

Amazon lists are like seasons, new flavours of the month and Intel have had about 3 lines out in the space of less than a year.

As from yesterday, the 8700K is on the wishlist because people wish they can get it, kappa.

1)
The i7-8700k is a top-of the line chip that costs $400 on Amazon, whereas the R5-1600 is a bargain chip that costs $200. Volume sales are inversely proportional to price, but the i7 is immediately after the R5 in sales, which says it all about how bad is selling RyZen and how good is selling CoffeLake.

Is this Spanglish? Anyway your lack of qualification and knowledge on the fiscals makes this just another "more bullchit move along".

2)
The R5 was released before and had more time to sell. If you check the new releases list, then there is no any RyZen model among the top ten best seller.

When something has been on the market for a long time, less people need it, strange concept.

3)
Finally if you check the most wished list, The 8700k is #2 whereas the R5 is #3. People prefer the i7 over your belowed R5.

Circular arguments, you mentioned this in all the paragraphs, it is almost like you are trying to create a fictional situation that you and the fanboy pajama party club want to believe, they you convince yourselves that the crap you write is correct.

You and others can continue negating reality and sharing your hate for CoffeeLake, but Coffee will not stop selling.

You can create a lie and believe it, doesn'[t make you right.
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Gideon said:
Your the only one that cares and must spin it to look like the 8700k is selling so much better. Reality is the 7700K has remained the best seller, if the 8700k was the blockbuster you think it is then it would have exceeded the 7700K on the list. Reality is the price is to high on the 8700k. It's like you cant accept people have a choice and can pick whatever works best for them, you just sling Intel marketing instead. You guys love to act that Ryzen isnt selling but all facts point to it selling just fine, get over it and enjoy some competition in the cpu market, without it you still be paying a lot more for a Intel cpu. Cant wait for you to go into overdrive when Ryzen 2 launches early next year..
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This thread follows its normal run until some of you come here to say how bad is CoffeeLake and how a better value is the RyZen XYZ model: "The 1800X is a better deal then the 8700k" Then when you are given sales for both chips (8700k is #3 in sales and 1800X is #20 in sales), and confronted with the reality that most people doesn't agree with your opinion, you react angrily and start to spin, to move the goal, and to make personal remarks.

If you don't like to be reminded reality, just don't come here to post false information.

Hagrid said:
The 8700k(and others) could not be the best seller anyways since they made very few of them, it was a paper launch.
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If a paper launched 8700k is #3 in bestseller list and the 1800X is in #20, then RyZen is selling really really really bad!
 
R7 is #16, #17, and #23 at the momentm it is impossible to tell if those combined are more popular than the 8700 series. Again, the 1800x has always been the worst selling of the 3.

It is sort of like the Ford vs GM argument. Ford sells the most halftons, but Chevy and GMC are ahead when combined.
 
Nightfire said:
R7 is #16, #17, and #23 at the momentm it is impossible to tell if those combined are more popular than the 8700 series. Again, the 1800x has always been the worst selling of the 3.

It is sort of like the Ford vs GM argument. Ford sells the most halftons, but Chevy and GMC are ahead when combined.
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So now we have to compare the sales of a single CoffeLake chip with the combined sales of three different RyZen chips to make you happy? Ok, your derail of this thread is enough. I stop here. ;)
 
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/a...l-faster-than-analysts-had-thought-2017-09-06

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Yeah but where is Amazons sales data, stuff like this? oh wait its a wishlist, with no actual sales data, because all of us normal folks pay over the top to import with amazon instead of going to a local reseller.

Until you provide data its just more pie in the sky theory.
 
So i guess the 1950x competes with only the 7900x?

No, it doesn't. It competes against the 7900x, 7920x, 7940x, etc.

Just as the 1920x/1900x competes with the rest of x299.

You make no sense.
 
juanrga said:
Mindfactory sales :rolleyes:

And Kudos to you for confounding Amazon wishlist with Amazon best seller list. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
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It was provided data by a reseller, that is real world data, per the same article ironically by Ryan Shrout, Amazon shows similar trends.
 
Shame these "fantastic sales" never materializes in financials or steam for example ;)

There is a reason why Intel is the defacto chip for users and gamers.
 
Good thing is you can buy financial data for any public listed company, maybe you can buy them and then pipe off about financials because right now it is more an uneducated guess as to what has been sold and what the effects were.

If I really need the urge to go into AMD's financials I will be sure to go to my chartered account for this information, not some random forum user.
 
OrangeKhrush said:
Good thing is you can buy financial data for any public listed company, maybe you can buy them and then pipe off about financials because right now it is more an uneducated guess as to what has been sold and what the effects were.

If I really need the urge to go into AMD's financials I will be sure to go to my chartered account for this information, not some random forum user.
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He's got a point...the financial data from AMD, Intel and NVIDIA all show the same picture.
Intel + NVIDIA are breaking their own records.
AMD...not so much.
Could bookmark this and return in 6 months...and see what was facts...and what was a "sky dream".
 
Best Selling CPU's sold by Newegg as of December 19, 2017

1. i7 7700K
2. i5 7600K
3. R5 1600
4. R7 1700
5. i7 7740X
6. TR 1950X
7. R5 1500X
8. i5 7500
9. i7 7700
10. R5 1600X
11. FX 8350
12. i3 7100
13. i5 7400
14. R3 1200
15. R3 1300X
16. i7 8700K
17. Celeron G3930
18. i5 8600K
19. i7 8700X
20. R5 1400
21. i7 6700K
22. FX 6300
23. R7 1700X
24. i9 7980XE
25. i7 7820X
26. R7 1800X
27. i5 6600K
28. i5 7600
29. i3 8350K
30. Pentium G4600
31. A8 9600
32. TR 1900X
33. i9 7900X
34. i7 6850K
35. i3 6100
36. Pentium G4620
 
Dermac said:
Best Selling CPU's sold by Newegg as of December 19, 2017

1. i7 7700K
2. i5 7600K
3. R5 1600
4. R7 1700
5. i7 7740X
6. TR 1950X
7. R5 1500X
8. i5 7500
9. i7 7700
10. R5 1600X
11. FX 8350
12. i3 7100
13. i5 7400
14. R3 1200
15. R3 1300X
16. i7 8700K
17. Celeron G3930
18. i5 8600K
19. i7 8700X
20. R5 1400
21. i7 6700K
22. FX 6300
23. R7 1700X
24. i9 7980XE
25. i7 7820X
26. R7 1800X
27. i5 6600K
28. i5 7600
29. i3 8350K
30. Pentium G4600
31. A8 9600
32. TR 1900X
33. i9 7900X
34. i7 6850K
35. i3 6100
36. Pentium G4620
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I wonder if the 8700k wasn't a paper launch if it would of been #1, or closer to the top.
 
Hagrid said:
I wonder if the 8700k wasn't a paper launch if it would of been #1, or closer to the top.
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Bought my 8700k from silicon lottery, and my 1700x from Microcenter, so I don't affect either of those numbers. 1700x I have no regrets with, perfect for my file/plex server. 8700k for my main rig should be here by Friday, going to be a fun weekend!
 
Factum said:
He's got a point...the financial data from AMD, Intel and NVIDIA all show the same picture.
Intel + NVIDIA are breaking their own records.
AMD...not so much.
Could bookmark this and return in 6 months...and see what was facts...and what was a "sky dream".
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Do you actually have the financials or do you just have the generic quarterly that still doesn't disclose full information on sales. Even then in a space of 18 months AMD went from losing money to making money and that trend will likely forecast with new products on the horizon.
 
Dermac said:
Best Selling CPU's sold by Newegg as of December 19, 2017

1. i7 7700K
2. i5 7600K
3. R5 1600
4. R7 1700
5. i7 7740X
6. TR 1950X
7. R5 1500X
8. i5 7500
9. i7 7700
10. R5 1600X
11. FX 8350
12. i3 7100
13. i5 7400
14. R3 1200
15. R3 1300X
16. i7 8700K
17. Celeron G3930
18. i5 8600K
19. i7 8700X
20. R5 1400
21. i7 6700K
22. FX 6300
23. R7 1700X
24. i9 7980XE
25. i7 7820X
26. R7 1800X
27. i5 6600K
28. i5 7600
29. i3 8350K
30. Pentium G4600
31. A8 9600
32. TR 1900X
33. i9 7900X
34. i7 6850K
35. i3 6100
36. Pentium G4620
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The problem with that list is that it is not month to month, the list i posted was a actual resellers month to month sales report and showed from end of March to current Ryzen had stolen significant sales from Intel. I am looking for that data from a reseller and not just what a sites top buy is currently, an 8700K is new while Ryzen is 10 months old now, people either already have Ryzen or are going to wait for the next family, this is not scientific this is common sense, I want to see what AMD sold relative to Intel in numbers.
 
Hagrid said:
I wonder if the 8700k wasn't a paper launch if it would of been #1, or closer to the top.
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Repeating endlessly that it's a paper launch doesn't make it true. Seriously, everyone I know who wants one has one and only a handful of impatient fools paid above MSRP. All shops list it in the top sellers. I only see a handful of people complaining about not getting one, on the Internet.

Heck you can even get a new 8700k slightly below MSRP in Europe from Amazon already. Is it so hard to believe that the demand is huge? They finally gave even SB users a good reason to upgrade.
 
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It's in the new markets like AI, cars, IoT etc. So you see more high risk designs and rapid node usage etc. Tensor cores in Xeons and so on.
 
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kalston said:
Repeating endlessly that it's a paper launch doesn't make it true. Seriously, everyone I know who wants one has one and only a handful of impatient fools paid above MSRP. All shops list it in the top sellers. I only see a handful of people complaining about not getting one, on the Internet.

Heck you can even get a new 8700k slightly below MSRP in Europe from Amazon already. Is it so hard to believe that the demand is huge? They finally gave even SB users a good reason to upgrade.
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Repeating it does not, but in this case it makes no difference since it was one. Also yes the MSRP was pretty high on them too. Thanks! I forgot about that!

Finally people can actually get them, yes.
 
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Dermac said:
Best Selling CPU's sold by Newegg as of December 19, 2017

1. i7 7700K
2. i5 7600K
3. R5 1600
4. R7 1700
5. i7 7740X
6. TR 1950X
7. R5 1500X
8. i5 7500
9. i7 7700
10. R5 1600X
11. FX 8350
12. i3 7100
13. i5 7400
14. R3 1200
15. R3 1300X
16. i7 8700K
17. Celeron G3930
18. i5 8600K
19. i7 8700X
20. R5 1400
21. i7 6700K
22. FX 6300
23. R7 1700X
24. i9 7980XE
25. i7 7820X
26. R7 1800X
27. i5 6600K
28. i5 7600
29. i3 8350K
30. Pentium G4600
31. A8 9600
32. TR 1900X
33. i9 7900X
34. i7 6850K
35. i3 6100
36. Pentium G4620
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Recall the stock issues at Newegg and the price milking, and Newegg is only american. That list doesn't represent worldwide sales.
 
juanrga said:
Recall the stock issues at Newegg and the price milking, and Newegg is only american. That list doesn't represent worldwide sales.
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Newegg still represents a large retailer in the largest market. Lol at the FX 8350 selling more than the 8700k. Still having stock issues causing artificial shortages and price gouging 2.5 months after release? But certain people around here claim that the 8700k wasn't a rushed release.
 
kirbyrj said:
Newegg still represents a large retailer in the largest market. Lol at the FX 8350 selling more than the 8700k. Still having stock issues causing artificial shortages and price gouging 2.5 months after release? But certain people around here claim that the 8700k wasn't a rushed release.
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It sounds like you are angry that you live in a low market segment.

Enterpriuse > Consumer

Asia > EU > US for market importance.

So the segments aheed of you are:

-Enterprise China
-Enterprise EU
-Enterprise US
-Consumer China
-Consumer EU
-And here you are...down the stack...US consumer...that is a base place to base the premise on.

You are not the main focus of Intel...should not suprise you?
 
Yep, I dont think the reality have set in yet. And China alone is EU+US in size. Chinese people got money.
 
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