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So err what happened to the magic 20% drivers Anarchist?

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_mockingbird said:
It's still coming! You just need a new video card!
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That's going to be hard pill to swallow for a lot of people if a re-spin really makes that big of a difference.

Intel got away with selling a lot of intentionally gimped 32bit Prescott's. Of course back then not many people truly needed x64 but it still seemed kinda mean spirited.

I'm trying to think if there have been any other precedents

Its been a while but supposedly IBM and the like would charge ridiculous amounts of money just to move a clockspeed switch a couple of notches on the old mainframes
 
Is AMD hopelessly left behind? Do they even plan to release anything close to Volta ?

I've been waiting for 15 years now to get a good AMD card, but it seems they are constantly and severely get outperformed by nvidia.
 
StormClaw said:
Is AMD hopelessly left behind? Do they even plan to release anything close to Volta ?

I've been waiting for 15 years now to get a good AMD card, but it seems they are constantly and severely get outperformed by nvidia.
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BULLSHIT!!! The 7970 was definitely the king of its generation and has not been in the GPU market for 15 years. You may may wanna try harder if you want your point to be taken seriously.
 
JustReason said:
BULLSHIT!!! The 7970 was definitely the king of its generation and has not been in the GPU market for 15 years. You may may wanna try harder if you want your point to be taken seriously.
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While I do really think, the 7970 it's probably one of the best GPUs ever made, while I have a certain love and bias for it, it was far of being the *king* of its generation, it definitively made some competition in the market, the same way vega64 can compete today, just in certain scenarios and certain games but still the gtx 680 outperformed in the vast majority of games specially the AIB models... the ghz edition 7970 was some sort of vega64 LC.. more clocks and a bit more of performance but still not enough to claim the kings crown beyond certain tittles and scenarios.. and the huge AMD CPU overhead didn't helped either. I think with all the drivers improvements and GCN optimizations it would have smashed terribly the gtx 680 and with reason, it was no more than a mid range chip labeled as high end due lack of competition.
 
Araxie said:
it was no more than a mid range chip labeled as high end due lack of competition.
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It was definitely the king of noise and heat!

I passed on the 7900-series while running HD6950 Crossfire; I went with a pair of GTX670's instead, which were quiet and far faster. I've been on Nvidia since, and if AMD's most recent performance is an indication, I'll be here for a while...
 
IdiotInCharge said:
It was definitely the king of noise and heat!

I passed on the 7900-series while running HD6950 Crossfire; I went with a pair of GTX670's instead, which were quiet and far faster. I've been on Nvidia since, and if AMD's most recent performance is an indication, I'll be here for a while...
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I understand, I also had a pair of EVGA 660Tis FTW cards, at the time I think they were the best price/performance ratio specially as SLI used to work great, in fact I was a heavy SLI promoter in that moment, however I also had couple of 7970, one vanilla, one ghz edition, and later one 280x that I still use.

I still like more the 7970s over the GTX 680 and the pair of 660Tis, and at actually I can use it and in most recent games those 7970ghz/280x perform better than GTX 780, in fact I sold all my Nvidia GTX600 and GTX700 series of cards and kept the AMDs as secondary and backup GPUs, the 7970 vanilla edition reference despite of being louder than aftermarket cooled cards, was way better overclocker even than the ghz edition, and that's also a reason why I do like the 7970.. heat was never a problem really, the reference cooler was good enough to keep those cards below 75C overclocked, and noise wasn't bad at all, definitively not anything close to 290X reference levels.
 
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JustReason said:
BULLSHIT!!! The 7970 was definitely the king of its generation and has not been in the GPU market for 15 years. You may may wanna try harder if you want your point to be taken seriously.
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Definitely agree with his Statement been bullshit. I suspect a bit of trolling. In 15 years, what about the 9700/9800 pro cards? The 4xxx cards? The 5870? The 6950, The 7970Ghz edition, the 290/390. All have been good cards and in some cases better than the competition. I don't think the 7970 was king of the hill but by the time the 12.11 drivers were out, the 7970Ghz was the faster card.
 
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Been a while since I have seen such a negative Linus Tech Tips video. Congrats to Vega Frontier Edition.

 
darrpara said:
Been a while since I have seen such a negative Linus Tech Tips video. Congrats to Vega Frontier Edition.

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Linus probably feels pissed because AMD used him to hype up Vega as the second coming of Christ.

AMD has lost a lot of goodwill with everyone in the gaming space. Even the semiaccurate forums are becoming quieter for AMD support. Lisa Su needs to watch out about this because once Volta launches, the excuse wait for Navi won't hold any water and with Navi probably coming sometime in mid 2019, its going to be a very painful 2018 for AMD. Particularly if Volta v100 mining performance carries over to their gaming lineup.
 
stashix said:
So err what happened to the magic 20% drivers Anarchist?

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Best guess is compiler issues, but as just about every tech site has noted, they aren't out yet. When those features arrive who knows, but some recent patches suggest they may be getting closer to fixing the problem.
 
7970 refs were beasts. Most got 1.2GHz range, some got 1.3GHz. My 1.3GHz 7970 ref wasn't too much slower than an aftermarket 290x, enough said. 10-20% in it max. Still remember a local PC shop telling me to upgrade, then having no answer when asked 'what is an upgrade from such a card'.
 
So i bought a TITAN V for gaming (Arriving later today. Impulse buy because of bigdick numbers)

Should I have gone for 2 x Vega 64 (crossfire)
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(i also have a 38" inch FreeSynch monitor 3840 x 1600)
 
StormClaw said:
So i bought a TITAN V for gaming (Arriving later today. Impulse buy because of bigdick numbers)

Should I have gone for 2 x Vega 64 (crossfire)
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(i also have a 38" inch FreeSynch monitor 3840 x 1600)
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Cross fire blows (and SLI too). If you have that kind of money might as well buy a Gsync. Look at the last crossfire review by [H], the frame times were all over. That was on RX480s. A much more powerful card like Vega will only be much worse.

nVidia dominates the high end by far.
 
Dayaks said:
Cross fire blows (and SLI too). If you have that kind of money might as well buy a Gsync. Look at the last crossfire review by [H], the frame times were all over. That was on RX480s. A much more powerful card like Vega will only be much worse.

nVidia dominates the high end by far.
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Ok, makes sense. Thanks.

(Tho no gsynch 38" displays at 3840 x 1600)
 
StormClaw said:
Ok, makes sense. Thanks.

(Tho no gsynch 38" displays at 3840 x 1600)
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Not sure how specific your needs are but there are 3440x1440 34" 21:9 curved screens with Gsync and high Hz (100Hz IIRC).

There's also a new 48" wide screen I think...
 
StormClaw said:
Should I have gone for 2 x Vega 64 (crossfire)
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Unfortunately, no. I'm a big mGPU advocate, and I love AMD, but Crossfire Vega right now is a little rough (SLI too).

I did manage to get a number of games to run well, namely Prey is looking great 4K max settings 80fps, but overall it can be a hit or miss and (even when it works) usually requires tweaking and research to get the best performance.

Plus, there are some games that don't support multi-GPU at all (Resident Evil 7, etc.), leaving you out in the cold if you are running 4K or Eyefinity resolutions. Luckily, I have a few different machines, so I fall back on my Titan X Pascal rig if needed, or, "worst" case, play on my 1080p projector.
 
Dayaks said:
Not sure how specific your needs are but there are 3440x1440 34" 21:9 curved screens with Gsync and high Hz (100Hz IIRC).
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It's not the same, because 3440x1440 isn't nearly good as 3840 x 1600.

I had both and sold off the 3440x1440 (3840 x 1600 is so much better)
 
No one wants to trade their Vega 64 (or 56 for that matter) for my Zotac Amp Extreme 1080.... :p so I guess I'll finally splurge on a GSync Monitor.
 
Dayaks said:
I am not sure Volta will be anything too impressive for gamers over Pascal.
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There doesn't seem to be much in ipc improvements. Let's hope if they remove some of the tensor cores they will be able to clock it faster
 
Dayaks said:
I am not sure Volta will be anything too impressive for gamers over Pascal.
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Considering that at least three Pascal cards are above (in aggregate) anything RTG has released in the Vega lineup that's not really indicative that Volta won't walk all over Vega.
 
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I don't think the resolution is any better, but the extra 4" is
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That's what i meant.

x1600 resolution translates into extra space.

I had these monitors side by side and the LG38" simply owns. If it had gsync instead of stupid freesync it would have been perfect
 
Algrim said:
Considering that at least three Pascal cards are above (in aggregate) anything RTG has released in the Vega lineup that's not really indicative that Volta won't walk all over Vega.
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Yeah but if Vega refreshes on 12nm and that's basically what Volta is... it'll be basically the same situation we are in now. We will see!

My hope is nVidia makes a giant 800mm^2 gaming core. Basically brute force the % performance increase.
 
After RTG released the 290x (and I wish I had picked up a 4 GB Edition when they were under 300 new) I will never again optimistically await any further RTG release, refresh or otherwise, with anything other than a healthy dose of skepticism about performance expectations. They've shit in their bed too often for me to believe in even reasonable hype.
 
Dayaks said:
Yeah but if Vega refreshes on 12nm and that's basically what Volta is... it'll be basically the same situation we are in now. We will see!

My hope is nVidia makes a giant 800mm^2 gaming core. Basically brute force the % performance increase.
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They wont make a gaming card with that size of a core, would have way to high of a failure rate which would cause them to charge at least $1,500 or likely $2,000 for a card. That is well beyond what most would ever consider paying for a video card.
 
Gideon said:
They wont make a gaming card with that size of a core, would have way to high of a failure rate which would cause them to charge at least $1,500 or likely $2,000 for a card. That is well beyond what most would ever consider paying for a video card.
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I think more people would buy it than you would think. I heard the same thing about the 970/980 and then we found out they sold millions in a quarter. There's value in having the best halo product as well. Imagine how that bugger would mine...
 
Dayaks said:
I think more people would buy it than you would think. I heard the same thing about the 970/980 and then we found out they sold millions in a quarter. There's value in having the best halo product as well. Imagine how that bugger would mine...
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no need to imagine, it will be double that of what the top cards are doing now. Now we can see why AMD knows cryptomining is dead for them in 2018, cause nV is going to have a clean slate
 
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