4 Different Driver Versions and Compute Toggle is still missing!

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As the title says, I have used 4 different driver versions ranging from 17.10.x to the latest 17.11.4 which I just installed after DDU'ing the 17.11.1 driver. I am running Windows 7 64bit with SP1 fully updated. Anyone else ran into this?


Also, has anyone done any gaming on the old blockchain driver from August? I am getting very crappy hashrates with the 17.11.x drivers (like 800 while I should be getting north of 1600) mining Monero. I was under the impression that AMD merged the blockchain drivers into the regular Crimson drivers via the stupid compute toggle. The newest game I am playing is Rising Storm 2 if that matters.
 
Compute driver is straight trash and super unstable for me. Good hash rates though. What are you using for monero??? I'm hitting 1150 on latest driver.

Edit:

just enabled hbcc and am hitting ~1350 now.
 
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I was under the impression that the compute toggle is only for RX 480 and 580 not Vega. I'm still on blockchain drivers as a result. Though I was able to get my RX 480 to hash around 1 KHs with the compute toggle (and tighter memory timings via bios flash).

Maybe we'll see Vega compute in the end of the year driver?
 
I found a response from someone at AMD about this here: https://community.amd.com/thread/222371

"This feature is handled automatically on RX Vega products, so these GPU's do not require the switch."

It doesn't make complete sense to me though. With the blockchain drivers HBCC was enabled by default and a few other settings were also enabled. After updating to the new drivers HBCC was disabled by default. Anyway, the settings were not the same at all. How am we supposed to know what to enable to improve performance?
 
pgaster said:
I found a response from someone at AMD about this here: https://community.amd.com/thread/222371

"This feature is handled automatically on RX Vega products, so these GPU's do not require the switch."

It doesn't make complete sense to me though. With the blockchain drivers HBCC was enabled by default and a few other settings were also enabled. After updating to the new drivers HBCC was disabled by default. Anyway, the settings were not the same at all. How am we supposed to know what to enable to improve performance?
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HBCC in example can harm the performance on lot of games if you doesn't reach system RAM limit so it's better off as default.. at least on my VEGA64 it have zero benefits on gaming.. with AMD settings the best it's always to test in a per game basis instead of all enabled by default.
 
Araxie said:
HBCC in example can harm the performance on lot of games if you doesn't reach system RAM limit so it's better off as default.. at least on my VEGA64 it have zero benefits on gaming.. with AMD settings the best it's always to test in a per game basis instead of all enabled by default.
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How many games are chewing up over 8GB or vram lol? Just wondering
 
Compute toggle seems to be working fine on my Fury X. From graphics to compute gives me +7.96% performance in Luxmark and higher accuracy too.
 
sabrewolf732 said:
Compute driver is straight trash and super unstable for me. Good hash rates though. What are you using for monero??? I'm hitting 1150 on latest driver.

Edit:

just enabled hbcc and am hitting ~1350 now.
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I am running Windows 7 64bit Pro and there is not no HBCC toggle. I have never seen that toggle in any driver and from what I could find it only shows up in Windows 10. I REALLY do not want to move to 10, but I am getting read to go on a 1 month trip and the lost revenue is sorta making me mad.

Are you by chance mining on XMRPool.net? I have been mining away 24/7 since before I made this topic and I have not been paid out anything nor does it show anything is pending which is odd. If you look at the dashboard my worker is submitting valid shares (100% 6,886 with 0 invalid).

I am only getting ~950-975 H/s which insane for a 1725Mhz/950Mhz sustained core/HBM speed. I am using the latest 17.11.4 on a DDU'd clean install. The system is super stable, but these hashrates are BS. I think a frigging 580 is almost as fast.

Here is a snapshot of my config file:

"gpu_thread_num" : 1,

/*
* GPU configuration. You should play around with intensity and worksize as the fastest settings will vary.
* index - GPU index number usually starts from 0
* intensity - Number of parallel GPU threads (nothing to do with CPU threads)
* worksize - Number of local GPU threads (nothing to do with CPU threads)
* affine_to_cpu - This will affine the thread to a CPU. This can make a GPU miner play along nicer with a CPU miner.
*/
"gpu_threads_conf" : [
{ "index" : 0, "intensity" : 1000, "worksize" : 8, "affine_to_cpu" : false },

],

/*
* Platform index. This will be 0 unless you have different OpenCL platform - eg. AMD and Intel.
*/
"platform_index" : 0,

/*
* TLS Settings
* If you need real security, make sure tls_secure_algo is enabled (otherwise MITM attack can downgrade encryption
* to trivially breakable stuff like DES and MD5), and verify the server's fingerprint through a trusted channel.
*
* use_tls - This option will make us connect using Transport Layer Security.
* tls_secure_algo - Use only secure algorithms. This will make us quit with an error if we can't negotiate a secure algo.
* tls_fingerprint - Server's SHA256 fingerprint. If this string is non-empty then we will check the server's cert against it.
*/
"use_tls" : false,
"tls_secure_algo" : true,
"tls_fingerprint" : "",

/*
* pool_address - Pool address should be in the form "pool.supportxmr.com:3333". Only stratum pools are supported.
* wallet_address - Your wallet, or pool login.
* pool_password - Can be empty in most cases or "x".
*/
"pool_address" : "vegas-backup.xmrpool.net:7779",
"wallet_address" : "42ZusjBjoa3ES59xY5sGsPaK6a1vY8RCBFyUYb5KDHyAJzsU6ZbaiT45PNXAoqE1FVRwHTKGfwPRCSv8WVkipB817ZC7d6D",

Can you post your config file? I have bumped the intensity up to 12-1300 with no difference in hash rate. At 1500 my hash rate went up by 100~125 H/s but the system was so laggy it was impossible to use so I had to do a hard shutdown. I've tried bumping worksize to 10 from the default 8 and that made zero difference as well.

EDIT: So it seems AMD released the 17.12 driver this morning, so I am going to give that a shot and see what if it helps my hash rate at all.
 
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I was on usxmrpool which just shut down wawawa. Need to find a new pool. Just installed 17.12 but have not played around at all/started mining again.

I've been using cast_xmr_vega and really all I've edited is the pool and my wallet id.
 
"Vega owners won't see the Graphics/Compute switch in AMD's driver. According to company representatives, all of the features that benefit compute workloads are already enabled by default in Vega's architecture, so the switch isn't necessary."
 
ccityinstaller said:
I am running Windows 7 64bit Pro and there is not no HBCC toggle. I have never seen that toggle in any driver and from what I could find it only shows up in Windows 10. I REALLY do not want to move to 10, but I am getting read to go on a 1 month trip and the lost revenue is sorta making me mad.

Are you by chance mining on XMRPool.net? I have been mining away 24/7 since before I made this topic and I have not been paid out anything nor does it show anything is pending which is odd. If you look at the dashboard my worker is submitting valid shares (100% 6,886 with 0 invalid).

I am only getting ~950-975 H/s which insane for a 1725Mhz/950Mhz sustained core/HBM speed. I am using the latest 17.11.4 on a DDU'd clean install. The system is super stable, but these hashrates are BS. I think a frigging 580 is almost as fast.

Here is a snapshot of my config file:

"gpu_thread_num" : 1,

/*
* GPU configuration. You should play around with intensity and worksize as the fastest settings will vary.
* index - GPU index number usually starts from 0
* intensity - Number of parallel GPU threads (nothing to do with CPU threads)
* worksize - Number of local GPU threads (nothing to do with CPU threads)
* affine_to_cpu - This will affine the thread to a CPU. This can make a GPU miner play along nicer with a CPU miner.
*/
"gpu_threads_conf" : [
{ "index" : 0, "intensity" : 1000, "worksize" : 8, "affine_to_cpu" : false },

],

/*
* Platform index. This will be 0 unless you have different OpenCL platform - eg. AMD and Intel.
*/
"platform_index" : 0,

/*
* TLS Settings
* If you need real security, make sure tls_secure_algo is enabled (otherwise MITM attack can downgrade encryption
* to trivially breakable stuff like DES and MD5), and verify the server's fingerprint through a trusted channel.
*
* use_tls - This option will make us connect using Transport Layer Security.
* tls_secure_algo - Use only secure algorithms. This will make us quit with an error if we can't negotiate a secure algo.
* tls_fingerprint - Server's SHA256 fingerprint. If this string is non-empty then we will check the server's cert against it.
*/
"use_tls" : false,
"tls_secure_algo" : true,
"tls_fingerprint" : "",

/*
* pool_address - Pool address should be in the form "pool.supportxmr.com:3333". Only stratum pools are supported.
* wallet_address - Your wallet, or pool login.
* pool_password - Can be empty in most cases or "x".
*/
"pool_address" : "vegas-backup.xmrpool.net:7779",
"wallet_address" : "42ZusjBjoa3ES59xY5sGsPaK6a1vY8RCBFyUYb5KDHyAJzsU6ZbaiT45PNXAoqE1FVRwHTKGfwPRCSv8WVkipB817ZC7d6D",

Can you post your config file? I have bumped the intensity up to 12-1300 with no difference in hash rate. At 1500 my hash rate went up by 100~125 H/s but the system was so laggy it was impossible to use so I had to do a hard shutdown. I've tried bumping worksize to 10 from the default 8 and that made zero difference as well.

EDIT: So it seems AMD released the 17.12 driver this morning, so I am going to give that a shot and see what if it helps my hash rate at all.
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I am running on that pool. Change your intensity to 2016, huge jump in output. Also I am running 1140core/900mV and 1100HBM/?V for about 120W and going by XMR-stak my hash is 1215. At 1000 I was getting just about 30 less hashes so I don't think core matters as much as memory speed with XMRpool or maybe it is just the XMR-stak program. My graph on XMRpool.net is all over the place, right now shows me at 2.2kH/s. I should mention I am also running 4 of my Ryzen cores (no SMT usage) as well.
 
JustReason said:
I am running on that pool. Change your intensity to 2016, huge jump in output. Also I am running 1140core/900mV and 1100HBM/?V for about 120W and going by XMR-stak my hash is 1215. At 1000 I was getting just about 30 less hashes so I don't think core matters as much as memory speed with XMRpool or maybe it is just the XMR-stak program. My graph on XMRpool.net is all over the place, right now shows me at 2.2kH/s. I should mention I am also running 4 of my Ryzen cores (no SMT usage) as well.
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which server are you using with which ports? Probably going to jump on that pool
 
I like xmrpool. I like the user interface and stat tracking. Just being a smaller pool, it takes a while to find blocks sometimes. For the last week or so I've been mining sumokoin and electroneum though so I don't know how things have been there.

BTW: I tried Adrenalin driver and I'm back to Blockchain. Was only getting around 1200 hashes. Didn't feel like messing around with it anymore. Disappointing.
 
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JustReason said:
Vegas, not backup, port 3334.
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I will give it a try. I did not realize it but I was connected to the solo mining pool:(. I just jumped to the pool you are using. These new drivers are pretty nice. They fought me during install, had DDU them twice but once I got the install working my card is hashing at 1.1Kh/s running @ 1609/1090HBM and is drawing 118W.

I may be an idiot, but can you help me figure out how to set an email identifier in xmr-strak?
 
tayunz said:
"Vega owners won't see the Graphics/Compute switch in AMD's driver. According to company representatives, all of the features that benefit compute workloads are already enabled by default in Vega's architecture, so the switch isn't necessary."
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The switch shows up for the Nano on the drivers, on HTPC with the 290 it does not show up. With mining these drivers perform the same as the Blockchain drivers, Equihash (Zcash miner 12.6 for AMD hardware, using Awesome Miner). For awhile, a couple of hours that 290 was pulling around $3.30/day, now it is about $2.70/day which to me is amazing for the old hardware. This is great because I use that machine to watch Netflix, play Blu Rays and once in awhile play older games - when not doing that it mines and warms the room up (free heating or no additional electrical cost in the Winter).
 
ccityinstaller said:
I will give it a try. I did not realize it but I was connected to the solo mining pool:(. I just jumped to the pool you are using. These new drivers are pretty nice. They fought me during install, had DDU them twice but once I got the install working my card is hashing at 1.1Kh/s running @ 1609/1090HBM and is drawing 118W.

I may be an idiot, but can you help me figure out how to set an email identifier in xmr-strak?
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had to find the password and found a link, on my home computer so I can link when I get home, but it was ( address of wallet).(worker/email) I just did .email but not sure if I have to name a worker then /email (is the / necessary)

I am complete noob+1/2 with mining. I really don't know jack, just learning as I go.
 
Yeah I get the switch for my nano too, just was saying that Vega doesn't have a switch. Yet, I don't get near the hashes I do on the block chain driver. I was only getting like 1200 hashes on my Vega so I don't know how that means that Vega doesn't need a switch.
 
JustReason , I really appreciate it. I just want to make sure I am actually going to get paid something and I am not mining to line their pockets. I am in the pool you are using, but for some reason my hasrate is total crap. I was getting like ~500 H/s despite the card being loaded 100% and the clocks the exact same as last night. I DDU'd, and installed the block chain driver...

.I rebooted and then when the system tried to log into windows it just started flashing and then I got a screen full of snow (which is what happens if you push HBM too high from my experience it happens every time I go over 1115Mhz). Needless to say I am fed up with this, so I DDU'd again, and installed the 17.12 drivers again...

I am back in windows, and after dropping the intensity back to 1000 from the 2016 you recommended, my hash rate is back @ 1K...I have no idea why the intensity change did that. I guess I am going to settle for getting a solid 1K and the free heat the system will generate. Did you leave the "worksize" at the default setting of 8?
 
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ccityinstaller said:
JustReason , I really appreciate it. I just want to make sure I am actually going to get paid something and I am not mining to line their pockets. I am in the pool you are using, but for some reason my hasrate is total crap. I was getting like ~500 H/s despite the card being loaded 100% and the clocks the exact same as last night. I DDU'd, and installed the block chain driver...

.I rebooted and then when the system tried to log into windows it just started flashing and then I got a screen full of snow (which is what happens if you push HBM too high from my experience it happens every time I go over 1115Mhz). Needless to say I am fed up with this, so I DDU'd again, and installed the 17.12 drivers again...

I am back in windows, and after dropping the intensity back to 1000 from the 2016 you recommended, my hash rate is back @ 1K...I have no idea why the intensity change did that. I guess I am going to settle for getting a solid 1K and the free heat the system will generate. Did you leave the "worksize" at the default setting of 8?
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Yes I am using worksize=8. Havent seen anyone mention changing it.

The intensity thing was from a post:
He goes a bit indepth with power usage and different settings.

My H/s on my PC stay constant 1.5K, ~1.2K for GPU. The site statistics are all over the place, from 600H/s to 2.5kH/s ( I think they incorporate the ping time too).

I may try the block chain driver again but I think mine was corrupt, didn't seem stable.

Edit: WTF, lol. I linked the page address and got the first post.
 
Holy muther of.... PITA!!!

Ok so I tried the block-chain driver again, BIG MISTAKE. That bad boy is just not stable and corrupted something in the driver that took 3 uninstalls/installs to remedy. Back to my original setup.

I did try 1000 intensity and my H/s went down to 800. Tried 2048 and GPU wouldn't come out of base clock of 29mHz, lol I don't want to know what that hash rate was. Back to 2016 intensity and 1175H/s. Not sure if the CPU H/s is good or not but getting 81H/s per core and running 4 cores right now.
 
Yes the block chain driver sucks, but it loads right up for me every time. Even when switching back and forth from other drivers. This is with a 3 Vega system, a single Vega system and a mixed card system. On all of those systems I haven't had to do anything special to get it to run. So I think something else might be up with your setup.
 
I don't think I will be going back to the block chain drivers. Using Awesome Mining benchmarks there was no real significant difference between them and the new Adrenalin drivers. Then again I am such a newbie at this. I still hope Nicehash comes back online (I will use an external wallet this time) because they were getting $1.40 to $2.30 out of each Ryzen. Awesome miner CPU miner gets 45 cents with the 1700x at 4ghz.
 
noko said:
I don't think I will be going back to the block chain drivers. Using Awesome Mining benchmarks there was no real significant difference between them and the new Adrenalin drivers. Then again I am such a newbie at this. I still hope Nicehash comes back online (I will use an external wallet this time) because they were getting $1.40 to $2.30 out of each Ryzen. Awesome miner CPU miner gets 45 cents with the 1700x at 4ghz.
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What card are you mining with?
 
JustReason said:
Holy muther of.... PITA!!!

Ok so I tried the block-chain driver again, BIG MISTAKE. That bad boy is just not stable and corrupted something in the driver that took 3 uninstalls/installs to remedy. Back to my original setup.

I did try 1000 intensity and my H/s went down to 800. Tried 2048 and GPU wouldn't come out of base clock of 29mHz, lol I don't want to know what that hash rate was. Back to 2016 intensity and 1175H/s. Not sure if the CPU H/s is good or not but getting 81H/s per core and running 4 cores right now.
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Are you running the 17.12 drivers that were just released or the 17.11.x drivers. If I set my intensity any higher my hash rate drops a good it. Same clock settings, with intensity set to 1250 caused me to lose ~200H/s, and 1500 was about the same. My system becomes unusable with anything over 1500. The lag is so bad that I cannot use the system. I still cannot log into xmrpool, can you?
 
ccityinstaller said:
Are you running the 17.12 drivers that were just released or the 17.11.x drivers. If I set my intensity any higher my hash rate drops a good it. Same clock settings, with intensity set to 1250 caused me to lose ~200H/s, and 1500 was about the same. My system becomes unusable with anything over 1500. The lag is so bad that I cannot use the system. I still cannot log into xmrpool, can you?
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https://monero.stackexchange.com/qu...-address-and-pool-password-for-my-config-file

Hopefully that is what you are asking about.

Funny that mine behaves the exact opposite of yours. I have no explanation.

I use OverdriveNTool for my GPU clock states and it looks like this:

OverdriveNTool.jpg


Results in a clock of 1149MHz using a voltage of .894V (this changes every time I restart which isn't too often but never goes above .912V) and HBM just stays at 1100. I did try 1105HBM but didn't want to chance instability till I have more time to test.
 
JustReason said:
https://monero.stackexchange.com/qu...-address-and-pool-password-for-my-config-file

Hopefully that is what you are asking about.

Funny that mine behaves the exact opposite of yours. I have no explanation.

I use OverdriveNTool for my GPU clock states and it looks like this:


Results in a clock of 1149MHz using a voltage of .894V (this changes every time I restart which isn't too often but never goes above .912V) and HBM just stays at 1100. I did try 1105HBM but didn't want to chance instability till I have more time to test.
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So you can actually log in at XMRPool.net if you go click the little blue "Login" button up in the right corner? I followed that guide you linked, and it still gives me an error saying to "check your login details". Is there any chance you can PM me a direct copy and paste of your config file? You can certainly edit your wallet if you are worried about anything.
 
ccityinstaller said:
So you can actually log in at XMRPool.net if you go click the little blue "Login" button up in the right corner? I followed that guide you linked, and it still gives me an error saying to "check your login details". Is there any chance you can PM me a direct copy and paste of your config file? You can certainly edit your wallet if you are worried about anything.
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no not using the little blue fingerprint button. Have no clue there yet.

Sure I can give you my setup when I get home.
 
Xmrpool.net has a getting started in the FAQ section. Just follow that. You're setup is going to determine how you login depending on what info you used in the miner config. This is why it's best to start your config from scratch and not copy and paste. In your config you need to set up your email identifier. Your login should just be your payment address and your email identifier should be your password (unless you set things up differently in the config file).
 
tayunz said:
Xmrpool.net has a getting started in the FAQ section. Just follow that. You're setup is going to determine how you login depending on what info you used in the miner config. This is why it's best to start your config from scratch and not copy and paste. In your config you need to set up your email identifier. Your login should just be your payment address and your email identifier should be your password (unless you set things up differently in the config file).
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I've tried this 20 different ways. I've tried the walletaddress.email with zero results. I've tried this format [your_wallet_address.workerId+difficulty/[email protected]] and the miner will not connect. I can remove the +difficutly and it connects just fine. Here is what my config file looks like at the moment:

Mining Snapshot.png

If you notice that the "walletaddress.email" format names the miner "overbaugh@gmail" for some reason. I tried changing the pool password to something other then the default "X" but it still does not allow me to log into xmr. I tried logging in with my full email and the overbaugh@gmail with no results. I really appreciate the help, as I tried their "support" but when it tries to connect to their IRC channel I get a "DNSBL blocked xx.xx.xx."

I am just trying to figure out what is going on since the dashboard shows the valid shares but I have not been paid anything nor does it show anything pending. Never had this kinda issue mining Ethereum.
 
Try it under pool password so:

"pool_password" : "Miner:[email protected]",

Miner being what you want to label the worker you are setting up.

Wallet address is just your wallet address in quotes with a comma following. Let me know if that makes sense and if it works for you.
 
tayunz said:
Try it under pool password so:

"pool_password" : "Miner:[email protected]",

Miner being what you want to label the worker you are setting up.

Wallet address is just your wallet address in quotes with a comma following. Let me know if that makes sense and if it works for you.
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Worked like a charm this time, thank you very much! What does not make a single bit of sense is that it shows I have a whopping .005XMR due to me. Based on current prices of $326 per coin that means I have earned a whopping $1.63 4 days of 24/7 mining (the weekend was lost since my dumb self had set the client up to mine solo).

I really wish the spare SSD I have would play nice with this system so I could toss Windows 10 on it and be able to enable HBCC since that is not an option in Windows 7. I simply do not have the time to move my current OS to 10 and get everything reconfigured since I am doing Christmas with my family since this is the first time I will not be here in 35 years.
 
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ccityinstaller said:
Worked like a charm this time, thank you very much! What does not make a single bit of sense is that it shows I have a whopping .005XMR due to me. Based on current prices of $326 per coin that means I have earned a whopping $1.63 4 days of 24/7 mining (the weekend was lost since my dumb self had set the client up to mine solo).

I really wish the spare SSD I have would play nice with this system so I could toss Windows 10 on it and be able to enable HBCC since that is not an option in Windows 7. I simply do not have the time to move my current OS to 10 and get everything reconfigured since I am doing Christmas with my family since this is the first time I will not be here in 35 years.
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What does it say your hash rate is? Also xmrpool can go days without finding blocks, so how many blocks have been found since you've been mining?

Edit: Only 1 block found in the past 6 days, so that explains the payment. I really like the pool but that's the difficulty with that it, payments won't be consistent. Small pools mean less consistent payouts.
 
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tayunz said:
What does it say your hash rate is? Also xmrpool can go days without finding blocks, so how many blocks have been found since you've been mining?
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I have been 3 days and just today did we get one.
 
tayunz said:
What does it say your hash rate is? Also xmrpool can go days without finding blocks, so how many blocks have been found since you've been mining?

Edit: Only 1 block found in the past 6 days, so that explains the payment. I really like the pool but that's the difficulty with that it, payments won't be consistent. Small pools mean less consistent payouts.
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According to the "blocks" page there have been 5 found in the last 6 days unless I am reading that wrong? Are you mining on XMRpool.net as well? If not would you recommend a better pool?
 
ccityinstaller said:
According to the "blocks" page there have been 5 found in the last 6 days unless I am reading that wrong? Are you mining on XMRpool.net as well? If not would you recommend a better pool?
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Some of those are from the solo miners. Not the pool miners. Won't count toward your total.
 
ccityinstaller said:
So you can actually log in at XMRPool.net if you go click the little blue "Login" button up in the right corner? I followed that guide you linked, and it still gives me an error saying to "check your login details". Is there any chance you can PM me a direct copy and paste of your config file? You can certainly edit your wallet if you are worried about anything.
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OK holy crap. Yeah I am gonna be all noobish here... Found a file that definitely helps. Before I was running the standard setup with the 2016 intensity. That netted me with my CPU 1500 H/s. Found a guy that said Vega can handle 2 threads so it can look more like this:
"gpu_threads_conf" : [
// gpu: gfx900 memory:3920
// compute units: 64
{ "index" : 0, "intensity" : 1600, "worksize" : 8,
"affine_to_cpu" : 14, "strided_index" : true
},
{ "index" : 0, "intensity" : 1600, "worksize" : 8,
"affine_to_cpu" : 14, "strided_index" : true
},
],
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That is mine. He said if you are running your monitor off the Vega use lower numbers ie: 1800. I used 1600 to be safe and now I get 1650 H/s. Definitely uses more Vram, up to 6.8Mb whereas before I think it was just 4Mb.

Not sure what intensity you should use as yours acted backwards though.
 
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