GHOST S1 - When both size & performance matters

Sorry for the slight derail but thought I would help out a potential owner of a Ghost S1 with a free original Nh-L12. I upgraded to the L12s when it was released for my M1 and with the original no longer being produced it will become rare and over priced the same way the C14 did for us M1 users. As long as you cover the shipping the cooler is in mint condition and includes everything that came with it free of charge. Again apologies for the derail.

:edit: FlamingKomodo takes the cooler
 
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Brandonandon said:
Any comment about SFX vs SFX-L PSUs? With the new elevated position of the PSU mount will there be room for a full 25mm fan under an SFX-L PSU? How's the overall fit with an SFX-L?

Also, what does the community consider to be the quietest SFF PSU? I currently have a Silverstone SFX-L 500 v1.0. It's subjectively quiet but the fan makes a clicking noise. Pachalski, have you guys settled on the Corsair SF series as being the best?
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Just answered this over on SFFF so I'll just copy paste:

The new elevated position will allow for a 15 mm tall fan to be placed underneath an SFX-L PSU.

I would not call the overall fit of an SFX-L roomy but it is no problem and with premiered cables it is actually very easy.

You can see an SFX-L mounted here:


We actually like the Corsair SFX PSUs better than the Silverstone SFX-L (800W) because of power performance and that it in not moving (passively cooled) most of the time. Silverstone will soon releasing (may be out already?) a purely passive SFX-L that could prove to be the best option!
 
Pachalski said:
Regarding the glass side panel, it is unlikely we will do both a vented and a non vented to start with, more likely that one of them comes first. So the question is is it vented or not? Non vented would be for liquid cooling. Also, just hit me... would it be of any interest to have a solid side panel without ventilation holes?
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I'd love to try two cooling options:

  1. Air cooling, top and bottom hats, non-vented side panels. Both GPU and CPU would have larger heatsinks with vertical fins (but with no fans), and air would be forced through the fins with bottom/top fans in top hats in a push/pull combination. With very quiet low RPM 120mm fans, this would allow for an extremely quiet cooling solution. In this configuration, non-vented side panels would work best.
  2. Air cooling, top and bottom hats, vented side panels. Both top and bottom in a push configuration to achieve negative pressure and force air in through the side panels. Here, the gpu and CPU would have fans with their respective heatsink, aiding air to come in in the process (and maybe kicking in only in high loads). I would suppose this "push-push" configuration would result in better cooling than "push-pull", since the air that comes in through the side panels naturally want to go both up and down.
So for your question, I'd go for non-vented glass panel, since it may work for liquid cooling to, as in option 1 above.
 
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by all that is holy...
 
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The sound of the side-panels sliding on/off is so satisfying. It sounds like it's really premium material and fit. Reminds me of how the Surface tablet advertised their kickstand as being engineered to have a really high quality sound.
 
i think that it would be usefull to pubblish some tests with the 2 different riser just to show if there are any difference in performance.

probably there won t be any but many people keep holding the 3m on a golden pedestal
 
Can we get some pictures when you guys get a chance of the Silver/White case and maybe some cases with mixed and matched colored panels/tops? You demonstrated the mixing on stream, but the stream quality was really bad.
 
Hey, you should definitely place a link to the Kickstarter campaign in the first post.

It looks as if the go-to CPU with this case will be 8700k. Anyone going to try r7 1700 or something else? Given that 1700 is 65W TDP, wouldn't that give better thermal performance in a small case?
 
dantata said:
Hey, you should definitely place a link to the Kickstarter campaign in the first post.

It looks as if the go-to CPU with this case will be 8700k. Anyone going to try r7 1700 or something else? Given that 1700 is 65W TDP, wouldn't that give better thermal performance in a small case?
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I really wanted to go with a 1700X when i got my Sentry case, but they still did not have any good motherboards available earlier in the year.

Next Zen/Ryzen chips might be much closer to release once we get our Ghost's :)
 
Thanks for the stream, did you guys say the right angle power cord wouldn’t be included?
Would be very disappointed if that is true.
 
greyhound said:
i think that it would be usefull to pubblish some tests with the 2 different riser just to show if there are any difference in performance.

probably there won t be any but many people keep holding the 3m on a golden pedestal
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This has been tested by a member of the Sweclockers forum. He posted the result in the Ghost S1 thread over there.

https://www.sweclockers.com/forum/post/17150388
 
PowerfulSFF said:
Thanks for the stream, did you guys say the right angle power cord wouldn’t be included?
Would be very disappointed if that is true.
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I dont think they ment the (220v) power cord if that is what you mean, rather the PSU cable/angelded connector for the GPU, which I can understand they do no supply as this would only be a small group needing them.
 
Pachalski said:
Just answered this over on SFFF so I'll just copy paste:

The new elevated position will allow for a 15 mm tall fan to be placed underneath an SFX-L PSU.

I would not call the overall fit of an SFX-L roomy but it is no problem and with premiered cables it is actually very easy.

You can see an SFX-L mounted here:


We actually like the Corsair SFX PSUs better than the Silverstone SFX-L (800W) because of power performance and that it in not moving (passively cooled) most of the time. Silverstone will soon releasing (may be out already?) a purely passive SFX-L that could prove to be the best option!
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Is this orientation also available for sfx psus while having a 120x120x25mm fan underneath it? I saw this and reversed the fan on my corsair sf600 to exhaust and I'll have a 120mm nf-f12 underneath feeding it some fresh air.

EDIT: I hadn't noticed that the psu bracket can be moved down. I should be able to fit the psu with the psu cables going up and the power cord plugging in underneath while still having a bunch of space left over. But I would still like clarification on the subject.

Pachalski I'd want the psu in this pic to be rotated upside down.
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Like this but with the psu placed higher and not resting on the bottom bracket.
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Are there any temp test on Founder Edition vs Open Air coolers for GPUs in this case? For the price I was considering getting the 1080ti FE, but it's $699 + tax ($760). If I buy the EVGA 1080ti FTW3 it's $799 from B&H with no Tax... so $30 difference isn't bad... also the SC2 version is $760 i think. Also I will be using a delidded 7700k with standard clocks, Noctua NH-L9x65, with no top hats. Thanks!
 
In the livestream, they said that they don't like blower cards, so they have not tested the case with them. I think they said that they'll try and run tests with a blower card, though.
 
dantata said:
In the livestream, they said that they don't like blower cards, so they have not tested the case with them. I think they said that they'll try and run tests with a blower card, though.
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Okay thanks. Maybe this case is designed well enough that a air cooled CPU with open air GPU cooler won't be affected as much. That's another reason why I went with delid... want as low as possible temps.
 
Pachalski said:
Here are some pics from the 8700k build that is being tortured right now with Prime95 and no noise! This is actually a pretty sweet combo with the small TopHat.


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Looking to mimic this build, as I want to go for the smallest possible form factor that can also handle an i7-8700 + 1080Ti with no throttling and minimal noise.

Can you specify the exact case fans you've used here? I'm assuming the 2x tophat fans are NF-A12x15's? Also, is the bottom Noctua fan below the PSU a 120mm as well?
 
loopaddiction said:
Looking to mimic this build, as I want to go for the smallest possible form factor that can also handle an i7-8700 + 1080Ti with no throttling and minimal noise.

Can you specify the exact case fans you've used here? I'm assuming the 2x tophat fans are NF-A12x15's? Also, is the bottom Noctua fan below the PSU a 120mm as well?
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That would be the 120mm x 25mm Noctua fan that comes with the pictured NH-L12 CPU cooler...
 
Jonas Mellkvist said:
When will you show the White Case ?

How ad 200Sek on the pledge to get it ?

Will the Limestone be the raw aluminium sandblasted case as promised ?

I Choices between these 2 Colors but need to se them both before i decide.
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We are still discussing how we best implement the price adjustment for the white case in the campaign without causing chaos and maintain clarity. Currently we are thinking of not having you choose this right now but later and regulate the price difference in a pragmatic way, maybe through our webb-shop. What are you thoughts?

The three color options are:

- Ash - almost black, very dark grey (no change)
- Limestone - Natural glass blasted aluminium (a more shallow blasting than initially suggested that makes it less white and more silver, like the one seen in the live stream)
- Arctic - White anodization (a more glossy finish than the other two)

We are planing a new stream together with an e-sport production company (ESEN studio) to do it properly this time!
 
PowerfulSFF said:
Thanks for the stream, did you guys say the right angle power cord wouldn’t be included?
Would be very disappointed if that is true.
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Excallibur said:
I dont think they ment the (220v) power cord if that is what you mean, rather the PSU cable/angelded connector for the GPU, which I can understand they do no supply as this would only be a small group needing them.
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Exactly what Excallibur is saying. the LP angled PCIe power feed will not be a part of our assortment at this point.
 
Ca11idus said:
Is this orientation also available for sfx psus while having a 120x120x25mm fan underneath it? I saw this and reversed the fan on my corsair sf600 to exhaust and I'll have a 120mm nf-f12 underneath feeding it some fresh air.

EDIT: I hadn't noticed that the psu bracket can be moved down. I should be able to fit the psu with the psu cables going up and the power cord plugging in underneath while still having a bunch of space left over. But I would still like clarification on the subject.

Pachalski I'd want the psu in this pic to be rotated upside down.
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Like this but with the psu placed higher and not resting on the bottom bracket.
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Yes there three positions for the PSU:

1. Hanging
2. Standing
3. Hanging elevated - for when no water pipes need the additional headroom above
 
loopaddiction said:
Looking to mimic this build, as I want to go for the smallest possible form factor that can also handle an i7-8700 + 1080Ti with no throttling and minimal noise.

Can you specify the exact case fans you've used here? I'm assuming the 2x tophat fans are NF-A12x15's? Also, is the bottom Noctua fan below the PSU a 120mm as well?
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Bottom fan in this build is the one that comes with the L12 CPU cooler (top fan), I believe it is this one, for the top we are using these
 
Now for some sweet updates! We have been working hard the last couple of days trying to answer as many questions as possible. GPU comparability list, the FTW3 question, dual AIO question and many more. See all the answers to the three mentioned below:

1. PSU comparability practical tests performed. Tested only cards that are boardeline, so smaller cards you will have no limitations with and larger cards (i.e. 2.5-slot) will not fit. See table below

2. FTW3 now fits thanks to the minor adjustments made to the back gable and by lowering the riser 1,7mm. More about this in the GPU compatibility list. See images below.

3. Dual 120 AIO works like a dream in one L-TopHat
Test setup:
- NZXT Kraken X31
- EVGA 1070 Hybrid

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Boil said:
That would be the 120mm x 25mm Noctua fan that comes with the pictured NH-L12 CPU cooler...
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I really want to use the L12, but that would require to remove RAM heat spreader. I have gskill trident z 44mm tall
 
Jowersman said:
I really want to use the L12, but that would require to remove RAM heat spreader. I have gskill trident z 44mm tall
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I removed the heatspreaders on my ripjaw V to fit a nf12x15 in there. Need as much cooling as possible if I want to overclock my 6850k. The ram looks amazing without the heatspreaders.
 
Ca11idus said:
I removed the heatspreaders on my ripjaw V to fit a nf12x15 in there. Need as much cooling as possible if I want to overclock my 6850k. The ram looks amazing without the heatspreaders.
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Mind if I ask how you did this? Scared me since I just bought them.
 
Jowersman said:
Mind if I ask how you did this? Scared me since I just bought them.
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I have 4 ifixit battery and screen repair kits so I used
https://www.ifixit.com/Store/Tools/Spudger/IF145-002-2

To gently pry them open. I started from one side and transitioned to the middle and finished on the opposite side per plate. Once I had enough traction to hold the heatspreader with my fingers I gently pulled them off.
 
Ca11idus said:
I have 4 ifixit battery and screen repair kits so I used
https://www.ifixit.com/Store/Tools/Spudger/IF145-002-2

To gently pry them open. I started from one side and transitioned to the middle and finished on the opposite side per plate. Once I had enough traction to hold the heatspreader with my fingers I gently pulled them off.
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I could probably recreate the process and post some pics if needed.
 
Ooooh the dual AIO with the hybrid GPU is what I was really curious about. Nice to see that works well. Will we get some temp/noise observations with that? (Unless you posted those already somewhere).
 
Pachalski said:
Bottom fan in this build is the one that comes with the L12 CPU cooler (top fan), I believe it is this one, for the top we are using these
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Cheers, will go for those fans.

That Arctic color variant looks ultra sexy...going to echo my sentiments about requesting that the top mesh cover also come in a matching Arctic white color. I am most certainly willing to pay extra for that option!

Also happy that the FTW3 is going to fit.
 
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