FlamingKomodo
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Definitely looks like the NH-C14 (the S doesn't have little tabs on the edge) and a 140mm Noctua Chromax fan.
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NCASE M1: a crowdfunded Mini-ITX case (updates in first post)
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HELP! All the ones with a 1080 Ti, what you ended up with? I want my build to be the most silent one and my initial plan was to get a blower type card, not a FE but something like the MSI AERO feedes with fresh air. I currently run a 660 Ti with a fan curve maxed at 45% RPM in a similar condition and it works wonder. Before the 660 Ti I tried a MSI 560 Ti HAWK in the same setup and it was a disaster, even with the switch turned on Silent. Never again I wanted such a card but I keep reading on the subject and I'm not sure if the blower limited at 45% would do it. Then OTOH going for a dual fan solutionit all against my primary idea of exhausting hot air, to me it just make no sense to trap air there I have no idea how the air flow could works in such a situation. I'm a bit lost now on what to do. Stangely enough I thought that with all the builds I would find the solution but I was wriong, it's not THAT simple.
Who here runs a 1080 Ti and believe has the most silent option? No water/hybrid please.
Who here runs a 1080 Ti and believe has the most silent option? No water/hybrid please.
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Most people here used a GPU with Arctic Accelero Extreme III and put 2x120mm fans as exhausts
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The c12 is also a good cooler and a bit smaller than the c14, still have to check for compatibility though.
I added an S12A on the side bracket, updated from this setup:
I ran a 770 in this case from the beginning and a 1070, both blowers, without the Accelero for a little over a year. Even if you don't use an Accelero I think getting an open air card and removing the shroud/fan while adding 120mm fans to exhaust helps everything. My CPU dropped over 5c from just adding the Accelero.
Just need to update my PSU from the Silverstone 450 SFX and this will be a pretty quiet build even at full load.
I added an S12A on the side bracket, updated from this setup:
Keeps my delidded 4770k @ 4.5GHz (I think 1.25v) low 60s while gaming and about 10-15c higher during stress tests. 1070 stays under 65c during max load @ 2.05GHz.How it stands now:
Going to have to do a little more work to get the side 120mm fan on with that bunch of cables taking up a lot of room.
I ran a 770 in this case from the beginning and a 1070, both blowers, without the Accelero for a little over a year. Even if you don't use an Accelero I think getting an open air card and removing the shroud/fan while adding 120mm fans to exhaust helps everything. My CPU dropped over 5c from just adding the Accelero.
Just need to update my PSU from the Silverstone 450 SFX and this will be a pretty quiet build even at full load.
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FlamingKomodo is correct. It's an original NH-C14 with a 140 Noctua Chromax fan.
And I find strange the fact fans are exhausts, where does the fresh air comes from?
Anyway it looks like I will test with the AERO because it was on hold for a price beat for a few days (while I was still reading for best options) and it was accepted this morning and card is on the way.
Also I found this video which confirm somewhat the theory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiDZNT7mxLQ
Case will only be here around Christmas but I will test in my current case meanwhile. I'm a bit afraid due the short return window I will miss but it should work.
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In the linked video the SFF case was a Fractal Define Nano which, as the image above indicates, is too close to the graphics card. That is not the situation in the Ncase M1 so this video's conclusions are not directly applicable. I thnk a blower style graphics card works well, but people here have described them as noisier than non-blower style cards.
My son's M1 has a Gigabyte G1 Gaming 1070 with 3 fans and it was fine at the bottom of the case with no fans, either intake or exhaust. I did add two intake fans later on to lower the graphics card temperature about 5 to 10 degerees C. My M1 I has a small Zotac GTX 970 with an Alpenfohn Pieter 2 heatsink (thicker than the Arctic Accelero Xtreme III and IV) and two bottom fans (slim 140 mm Prolimatech) as exhaust and this arrangement works great. Both of these arrangements work well and are not too noisy to our ears.
Going to second this. The video you watched should be taken with a gigantic grain of salt. Define nano S results are not equal to what you will find in the M1. They are completely different layouts and sizes. If you were going for more quiet operation, Rhialto, you're not going to find it with a blower style card. They are innately louder than non blower cards. It's just a fact. I have also literally tested this with a 1080 FTW, 1080 ti founders and a 1080 ti SC black in the M1, with every fan orientation possible. (Fun fact, do NOT run EVGA cards with two exhaust fans underneath them. Hello 90C!) The blower card exhausts heat but is super loud all the time. Multiple fan cards displace heat into the case and raise temps a bit. I think I saw an 8C increase on everything, but run exponentially more quiet at stock speeds, and even more so after a custom curve is introduced.
So I thought everyone that had the 'passive' graphics card with two bottom case fans were using the case fans to blow air on the graphics card, you're telling me the bottom mounted fans are blowing air out of the case/away from the graphics card? I'm surprised that effectively cools the card.
Also, you can mod that SX450 with a NoiseBlocker fan pretty easily, really makes it a lot quieter.
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does anyone know any good comparisons between using a Noctua NH-U9s dual fan configuration vs NH-C14s with two 120mm thin type fans on the side panel? Just trying to find out which one is the cooler option. Images below are for example of each layout.
Image by rdubs628
Is that accelero III or IV?
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I have sesn builds with large third-party graphics card heatsinks like the Accelero Xtreme III (or IV) with the fans in both orientations. Exhaust mode was first implemented for really hot Radeon cards to get the heat out the M1 so that it did not affect other components. These builds will have one or more intake fans on the side bracket or the rear panel. For cooler GPUs some have the bottom fans as intakes. Intake mode is also used as an attempt to help provide cool air to non-blower GPU coolers and as part of a positive air pressure build.
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The Arctic Accelero Xtreme II and IV have the same heatsink for the front of the graphics card. The difference is the rest of the parts included with those models. The III comes with small heatsinks for the RAM and VRMs. The IV does not include these, but it does include a large finned backplate which sometimes doesn't fit with a build's CPU cooler or PSU choice.
dunno, I credited the image by user rdubs628
Side bracket and CPU fans intake, fans under GPU exhaust. This has given me the best temps.
I haven't tried the noiseblocker fan, I know it was the original way to mod that PSU but the PSU definitely runs hotter that way since the NB doesn't move as much air, I didn't want to risk it. I'd also like the SF600 in case I go with a more power hungry GPU for my next upgrade, plus the 92mm fan would be easier to mod to a Noctua without sacrificing temps if I need to.
Does the 3 x fan EVGA GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 fit in the Ncase M1?
https://www.evga.com/products/Specs/GPU.aspx?pn=1190fbf7-7f11-465d-b303-cab0e50fbdc6
Thanks.
https://www.evga.com/products/Specs/GPU.aspx?pn=1190fbf7-7f11-465d-b303-cab0e50fbdc6
Thanks.
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I would compare the listed dims against the NCASE M1 website specs & compatibility tabs, check the Google spreadsheet (link on NCASE M1 website), and run a search on this thread...
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It's too wide, 5.62" you only have 5.5".
Hello!
Has anybody had any experience with the accelero iii and non reference gpus? I am new to pc building and didn't realise my gigabyte g1 1070 is a custom pcb and that the accelero might not be compatible.
Here's an image of the g1 pcb:
https://www.profesionalreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/gigabyte-gtx1070-g1-gaming-review12.jpg
I emailed arctic but still waiting on a reply. I need to know so I can exchange my 1070 if still possible, or return the accelero.
Has anybody had any experience with the accelero iii and non reference gpus? I am new to pc building and didn't realise my gigabyte g1 1070 is a custom pcb and that the accelero might not be compatible.
Here's an image of the g1 pcb:
https://www.profesionalreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/gigabyte-gtx1070-g1-gaming-review12.jpg
I emailed arctic but still waiting on a reply. I need to know so I can exchange my 1070 if still possible, or return the accelero.
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I think you will be fine.
Below I have taken the photo you linked to and added the Xtreme III beside and below it, scaled to the same size (based on the 4 heatsink mounting holes around the GPU). Click the Spoiler button to reveal the photo.
The images of the Xtreme III have been rotated and flipped for this comparison so that the GPU is aligned to the heatsink's mounting plate. I have drawn thin red rectangles through the center of the holes in the PCB around the GPU and the heatsink mounting holes to show that the images are aligned (to within a pixel or two) and at the same scale.
The heatpipes should be close, but not quite touching the DisplayPort, HDMI, and DVI ports. The overall length of the card will be increased by ~ 24 mm and taller by ~ 13 mm. I hope this helps.
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Hey, thanks so much! This is immensely helpful. I really appreciate you taking the time to line things up like that! I'll have a crack installing it on the weekend.
I'll be using 2 x Noctua Nf f12 120mm fans, and allowing the gpu to control these via an adaptor. I've got a vga adaptor from gelid and a y splitter from noctua. I'll have the fans mounted on the bottom of the case as exhaust. Is there anything I've overlooked with this plan?
edit - also, I am an idiot and touched the edge of the pre applied thermal compound on the large heat sink - I have thermal paste from noctua which used for my cpu cooler left over, or some double sided thermal tape that I'll be using for the vrm heatsinks -should I remove and reapply a new thermal paste/tape on the main heatsink?
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Do not use thermal tape for the GPU area. You could spread a very thin layer of the thermal paste from the Noctua (NT-H1) where you accidentally removed the preapplied thermal compound. Some is better than none, but I'm not sure if two types of thermal compound should mix. It would probably be okay.
Anyone else?
Yep, there's just two tiny finger prints. You can't see the metal beneath so there's still coverage - I think I'll just leave it as is.
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I'd also say you should be fine... 
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The EVGA GTX1080FTW itself will fit in the NCASE. But together with standard power-connectores it will NOT fit. You won´tbe able to close the side-cover.
I had the same issues. You can buy some customized plugs with a lower profile though..or just dissemble the PCI-Plugs and make them fit...but it wasn´t worth the effort to me. So I got an ASUS STRIX GTX1070TI ... GTX1080 is exactly the same size and also will fit .
It is the same size like the EVGA but there is a little notch/recess in the card´s board so the cables fit well in the case when plugged in.
I really recommend the ASUS STRIX. It is almost too long though...ALMOST. It took me 5 minutes to get it in the case ..it is a matter of a fracture of a millimeter but it fits.
The card is silent and reaches 70 degrees in the closed NCASE M1 v5
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Damn do NOT do that!
I bought the ASUS GTX1080 Turbo ...blower style. Horrible! The blower is always running and annoyingly loud even without heavy usage. Returned it afer 48 hours of pain.
Go for the ASUS STRIX instead. Not a blower-design but in my closed NCASE M1 v5 it never gets beyond 70 degrees celsius. And it is dead silent outside of gaming. Fans off until 60 degrees.
the gigabyte 1080 g1 gaming 3 fan fits just fine and with 2 bottom fans, the gpu fans seldom even come on, but its one of the few 3 fan models that dont use the extra wide heatsink
the sf450 is fine for your build, use a power supply calculator and youd be surprised how little you actually "need" , even with a 1080 overclocked during gaming my sf600 never shows more than 320-340 draw on the UPS and thats including a 34" ultra wide...and the fan never comes on the sf600 either, i had to benchmark for white some time just to force it on to make sure it worked... other than that ive never seen it run
the sf450 is fine for your build, use a power supply calculator and youd be surprised how little you actually "need" , even with a 1080 overclocked during gaming my sf600 never shows more than 320-340 draw on the UPS and thats including a 34" ultra wide...and the fan never comes on the sf600 either, i had to benchmark for white some time just to force it on to make sure it worked... other than that ive never seen it run
i finally got the time to take out the piece-of-s**t ASRock Z87E-ITX motherboard out of my M1 and replaced it with a Gigabyte GA-B85N Phoenix WiFi (thanks iFreilicht for suggesting it), and everything is working flawlessly now. with the Gigabyte board, i got to keep my mSATA drive, and i am able to control the fans with new version of SpeedFan, and there is no need for Gigabyte's bloated, non-functional utilities. the only drawback is that the case power LED does not blink when the computer is in one of its sleep modes.
that ASRock motherboard gave me trouble literally since the very first day, until it died about two months ago. given the percentage of negative reviews it has received on NewEgg, i'm fairly certain that my case is not an outlier, and it's a general pattern of these ASRock boards...never again!
guys, i am asking help from the collective M1 owners:
i have been having trouble with my system since day 1; it would randomly crash, torment me with many many BSoDs with different bugcheck codes, or shutdown during sleep or after waking up from sleep.
to recap: at first, i had a ASRock Z87E-ITX motherboard, which finally died after less than a year, so i switched it with a Gigabyte B85N-Phoenix WiFi motherboard. this helped a bit with the problem (as in, the frequency of the shutdowns and crashes decreased, but the problem never went away). i did many many hours of memory testing with many different diagnostic programs and performed burn tests but found no obvious problems with the memory or the CPU or any other hardware. i was under the impression that due to the randomness of the crashes/shutdowns and the fact that the BSoD bugcheck codes were all over the place, the problem could only be either the memory or the faulty/failing PSU. at the same time, i was reluctant to change more things without finding the real culprit, but finally, after 4 years from building this computer, i gave in and bought a new PSU (Corsair SF450 SFX) and new pairs of DDR3 RAM 8GB modules (G.SKILL) during the black friday sales.
yesterday, i took out the old PSU (Silverstone SFX 450W Gold) and RAM (Crucial Ballistix LP) and put in the new ones, and turned the computer on. i did many cycles of sleep-to-on, and finally, after about 8 hours or so, the computer greeted me with a BSoD while opening a PDF document in Firefox, not long after being woken up from sleep. granted, i think i'd need to reinstall Windows in case the old OS install was corrupted by a faulty memory (if that had been the problem, i mean). but i got really bummed out by seeing the BSoD after changing these two components.
changed already: motherboard, PSU, RAM
not changed yet: GPU, 128GB mSATA drive, 1TB WD HDD, Haswell i5 CPU.
does anybody have any ideas on how to proceed with this? i am at my wits' end with this after 4 years of dealing with this issue and do not know how to diagnose this problem. i don't want to constantly buy parts for this computer (it's been a significant source of emotional and financial burden for me in the last 4 years.), so i'd rather find the real issue and deal with it as opposed to throw random parts at it.
thank you very much.
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This is what a user named fshizl over at OC.net had to do in order to fit a EVGA 1080 Ti FTW in the Ncase, so you can see that it is more than just the power connectors that protrude too far.
Hey guys, need help with psu, gonna buy sf600, but it out of stock nowSo I got 2 ways, first: sf450 and second : sx700Lpt.
I got 8700k (1.3v+) and 1070Ti .
Try fit sx700lpt or relax and buy sf450?
The SX450-g is plenty for you. I had a 4770k and GTX 780 overclocked running on mine. It is now laying around and I'd be willing to sell for cheap too. Let me know if you're interested, I did the Noiseblocker fan mod to mine too.
I just replaced with a SX650-G this previous weekend because (I thought) my Vega couldn't keep up. Turned out it was just an issue in my motherboard's BIOS.
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Im so torn between this case and the ghost s1. They actually seem to be pretty much the same size if Im planning on going with an AIO. Would everyone here still recommend this case? Going to have an i7 and plan on overclocking future models.
Will a 1080ti founders edition card get enough air flow being at the bottom of the case? Should I put fans under it?
Thanks
EDIT: whats recommended AIO or good air cooler?
Will a 1080ti founders edition card get enough air flow being at the bottom of the case? Should I put fans under it?
Thanks
EDIT: whats recommended AIO or good air cooler?
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Oh yes I recommend this case, The Ghost looks like it will be a really nice case but I know that the Ncase is. Build quality is top notch. If you are going with a AIO you will need a top hat so the size will be pretty close to the Ncase.
I have a reference GTX 980 in mine and I have tried it with and without a fan, didn't make any difference with temps. The bottom of the case is well ventilated and close to the intake of the GPU.
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Thanks! Do you know how well air coolers perform compared to a large AIO in the M1?
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Depends on the cooler. The best air cooler that will fit in the Ncase was the Noctua NH-C14 which sadly is discontinued and almost impossible to find. I am using a be quiet! Dark Rock TF which is the largest cooler you can currently fit in the Ncase but it does have compatibility issues with some motherboards. Both of these coolers compare very well to 240mm AIOs. The 92mm tower coolers that will fit are more comparable to a 120mm AIO.
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Part 2 of Coffee lake upgrade
Shame on you Noctua, only including 4 rubber mounts of each colour with the NF-F12, had to use half black half white.
Cryorig C1 fits like a dream in this orientation, glad someone updated the doc and pc partpicker for doing a build in this orientation.
Wish I had sexier ram since you can actually see the ram in this config but you need low profile ram.
Had mini-heart attack when one ram slot was stopping me from posting, was disassembling for RMA but re-seated the CPU and Voila.
All thats left is Ensourced sleeved cables and to paint my FE and sand off that green.
5ghz stable using Asus overclocking utility, maybe later I'll try manually overclock.
Wish I was a risk taker and went for a more defined colour theme.
Shame on you Noctua, only including 4 rubber mounts of each colour with the NF-F12, had to use half black half white.
Cryorig C1 fits like a dream in this orientation, glad someone updated the doc and pc partpicker for doing a build in this orientation.
Wish I had sexier ram since you can actually see the ram in this config but you need low profile ram.
Had mini-heart attack when one ram slot was stopping me from posting, was disassembling for RMA but re-seated the CPU and Voila.
All thats left is Ensourced sleeved cables and to paint my FE and sand off that green.
5ghz stable using Asus overclocking utility, maybe later I'll try manually overclock.
Wish I was a risk taker and went for a more defined colour theme.
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This is what a user named fshizl over at OC.net had to do in order to fit a EVGA 1080 Ti FTW in the Ncase, so you can see that it is more than just the power connectors that protrude too far.
Lol.... this is actually pretty good. I'd prefer some custom low profile connector for the GPU to blend it in a bit more seamlessly.. but it's creative for sure!!