AMD launches slower RX 560 with SAME NAME!

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Since from many AMD "pure-fanboys" , AMD is considered as a company who "values its customers", "sells products at low prices" , "join a revolution (*that was one of my favourite slogans ever:woot:)" .......etc , on the contrary to "evil NVidia who only wants our money", well , this video is dedidated to all of those fanboys who think this way
(*although this myth has collapsed after the releases of FuryX & VEGA64, which cost as much as the opposition and perhaps even more!! ,....but anyway ) :
 
Defending/attacking a company with which you are in no involved and has absolutely no effect on your life is the second stupidest thing invented by man. At least buy some stock before getting down on your knees and white knighting a brand name.
 
I'm not defending/attacking a company.
I'm focusing on the people who were defending/attacking a company. That is the point of this video.
That every company has one and only goal: To make as much money as possible. All the other details -such as my all-time favourite AMD slogan about "joining the revolution"(*and extremely amusing one i must say!!:yawn: )-, is just marketing towards this goal .
Never said that NVidia doesn't want money, but really, i find extremely laughable the logic from lot of AMD fanboys that AMD doesn't care about the exact same thing!!
That's why i posted this video.
 
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Fanboys are fanboys. To post this to inform people is one thing, but it's clear what someone looks like if they have a post like this to go along with a certain tone.. Years of being into tech and I still don't get why people go out of their way to try to make a point like this. Buy what you like and enjoy it, don't worry what others think.
 
I agree that they should have named these differently.
At least in every case I've seen so far the number of shaders have been listed in the product specs which any competent buyer would be checking (for clock speeds if nothing else)
Regardless these cards are so slow I'm not sure how much difference it really makes
 
I guess news must be slow today. Only somebody trying to score points in the fanboy war.
 
Not sure this is an AMD issue as it is aftermarket design. Same thing, kinda, happened years ago with the 280X. Actually same thing happens a lot with AMD when the next gen is a refresh ie: 290-390. Sometimes they take the previous series to put into the newly listed series ie: using the 290 chips into 390 though the 390 chips were supposed to be clocked higher and presumably newer. Again aftermarket choices not AMD mandates as far as I know.
 
JustReason said:
Well it is good info for educating possible buyers. But the means of relaying this info is a bit slanted.
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As you said in your other post, not sure why this is an issue. The 560D version has been available in other markets for 6 months now. But, both companies have previously put out different versions of the exact same card. Especially at the lower end of the market.

As for educating buyers, really? How? Anyone on these forums know that not every version of a card has the same performance. You look at the specs and see the clock speeds and other information then decide. For the average joe on the street. They don't know and don't care and the slight performance difference isn't going to worry them.

And lastly, AMD has made the 560D available to AIB's. The specs are listed. It's up to the AIB's to relay that information to the consumer. Despite the OP trying to score fanboy points. This isn't like the 970 from Nividia.
 
reaper12 said:
As you said in your other post, not sure why this is an issue. The 560D version has been available in other markets for 6 months now. But, both companies have previously put out different versions of the exact same card. Especially at the lower end of the market.

As for educating buyers, really? How? Anyone on these forums know that not every version of a card has the same performance. You look at the specs and see the clock speeds and other information then decide. For the average joe on the street. They don't know and don't care and the slight performance difference isn't going to worry them.

And lastly, AMD has made the 560D available to AIB's. The specs are listed. It's up to the AIB's to relay that information to the consumer. Despite the OP trying to score fanboy points. This isn't like the 970 from Nividia.
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I disagree. Offering two products with different specs under the same name is an unethical practice that is bad for consumers and should not be tolerated regardless of the manufacturer. While I understand that AMD is simply "allowing" AIBs to do this and ultimately it falls to the AIB vendor to label their products appropriately, AMD certainly stipulates how vendors are allowed to build and market their products, and this shouldn't have been allowed. The thought that it's okay for people to be ripped off by misleading advertising because they are not as informed as you demonstrates nothing but arrogance. There are many things you know very very little about, and it shouldn't be up to you to decipher cryptic specifications to ensure that you aren't being scammed.

We should hold vendors to a higher standard than this.
 
Rizen said:
I disagree. Offering two products with different specs under the same name is an unethical practice that is bad for consumers and should not be tolerated regardless of the manufacturer.
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GTX 1060.........yes....different memory amounts, but how many random users read the fine print to see there is a core difference as well? Should have added the Ti name to the 6GB card to differentiate it.
 
Sith'ari said:
Since from many AMD "pure-fanboys" , AMD is considered as a company who "values its customers", "sells products at low prices" , "join a revolution (*that was one of my favourite slogans ever:woot:)" .......etc , on the contrary to "evil NVidia who only wants our money", well , this video is dedidated to all of those fanboys who think this way
(*although this myth has collapsed after the releases of FuryX & VEGA64, which cost as much as the opposition and perhaps even more!! ,....but anyway ) :
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Troll bait thread, how nice. :rolleyes:o_O
 
thebufenator said:
GTX 1060.........yes....different memory amounts, but how many random users read the fine print to see there is a core difference as well? Should have added the Ti name to the 6GB card to differentiate it.
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The difference between what you say and the RX 560 case, is that the new GTX1060 is UPGRADED compared to the previous version not DOWNGRADED as is the case with RX 560. A customer might buy this downgraded-same-name version , thinking that he bought the original one at a very good price!!
 
thebufenator said:
GTX 1060.........yes....different memory amounts, but how many random users read the fine print to see there is a core difference as well? Should have added the Ti name to the 6GB card to differentiate it.
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So.. are you agreeing with me here or what?

At least the 6GB part was improved, not downgraded after months of being for sale, but either way I strongly feel these companies need to differentiate products by naming scheme and not rely on the fine print. I was burned by this myself back in the 5870 days when I bought two ASUS 5870 reference boards months apart, only to find the second card was a redesigned PCB different from the original reference boards, and I couldn't overvolt the core to overclock it.

Different SKUs should have different names, period.
 
I agree. Just saying that having a team green fanboy attacking AMD for it is pretty obviously lopsided.
 
thebufenator said:
I agree. Just saying that having a team green fanboy attacking AMD for it is pretty obviously lopsided.
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you must have confused some things buddy:
i haven't attacked AMD. As i said at my 1st post, i just dedicated a video to AMD fanboys !! i didn't make this video, and i also didn't make any comment such as :
In the very least, this is all very misleading, and deceptive to the consumer. People are now reading our reviews, our suggestions, our video card round-ups, and seeing that we suggest an RX 560; well, we do not suggest an RX 560 that's an RX 460 in disguise, that's for damn sure, and this deception will reflect on reviewers when consumers don't know any better.
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( https://www.gamersnexus.net/industry/3163-rx-560-controversy-4gb-means-4gb ) :rolleyes:;)
 
Rizen said:
I disagree. Offering two products with different specs under the same name is an unethical practice that is bad for consumers and should not be tolerated regardless of the manufacturer. While I understand that AMD is simply "allowing" AIBs to do this and ultimately it falls to the AIB vendor to label their products appropriately, AMD certainly stipulates how vendors are allowed to build and market their products, and this shouldn't have been allowed. The thought that it's okay for people to be ripped off by misleading advertising because they are not as informed as you demonstrates nothing but arrogance. There are many things you know very very little about, and it shouldn't be up to you to decipher cryptic specifications to ensure that you aren't being scammed.

We should hold vendors to a higher standard than this.
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Really? It's about 15 years too late for this. There has always been Graphic products with different specs using the same name.

Look at any of the 1080s, or the 1050s either on sale, for examples, there are several that have different clock speeds and there will be more of a difference in performance between them than the 2 missing CUs in the 560. For those that don't understand graphics cards, how are they going to decipher those cryptic specifications? Most will probably just pick the first one they see, not realising that there is a higher clocked one with more performance for the same price.

Ripped off by misleading advertising? The specs are listed, the lower spec'd 560s are called the 560D. And it should be up to me to check out something I am buying. There is no excuse for buying in ignorance anymore.

If an AIB isn't listing the appropriate specifications then they should be brought to task by AMD.

This is just making a mountain out of a molehill.
 
reaper12 said:
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Ripped off by misleading advertising? The specs are listed, the lower spec'd 560s are called the 560D. ..................
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Check the video again.
He clearly says that the 560 D is ONLY about the Asian market. Doesn't apply in general. That was the review's hole point.
 
reaper12 said:
Really? It's about 15 years too late for this. There has always been Graphic products with different specs using the same name.

Look at any of the 1080s, or the 1050s either on sale, for examples, there are several that have different clock speeds and there will be more of a difference in performance between them than the 2 missing CUs in the 560. For those that don't understand graphics cards, how are they going to decipher those cryptic specifications? Most will probably just pick the first one they see, not realising that there is a higher clocked one with more performance for the same price.

Ripped off by misleading advertising? The specs are listed, the lower spec'd 560s are called the 560D. And it should be up to me to check out something I am buying. There is no excuse for buying in ignorance anymore.

If an AIB isn't listing the appropriate specifications then they should be brought to task by AMD.

This is just making a mountain out of a molehill.
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are you really defending AMD?. you have to be extremely fan boy to defend such thing.. even AMD it's sending public Apologies

It’s correct that 14 Compute Unit (896 stream processors) and 16 Compute Unit (1024 stream processor) versions of the Radeon RX 560 are available,” stated a company representative. “We introduced the 14CU version this summer to provide AIBs and the market with more RX 500 series options. It’s come to our attention that on certain AIB and e-tail websites there’s no clear delineation between the two variants. We’re taking immediate steps to remedy this: we’re working with all AIB and channel partners to make sure the product descriptions and names clarify the CU count, so that gamers and consumers know exactly what they’re buying. We apologize for the confusion this may have caused.
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AMD Apologizes For RX 560 Spec Change, Ensures Full Transparency With AIB Partners


what will you say now?.
 
A real apology would state they are temporarily halting all 896sp card sales and rebranding them to a new name with less room for confusion like 560D or (better still no room for for confusion) 555. They still want to dupe the consumer who only reads "560" and doesn't notice or understand 896sp.

Shame.
 
Krisium said:
A real apology would state they are temporarily halting all 896sp card sales and rebranding them to a new name with less room for confusion like 560D or (better still no room for for confusion) 555. They still want to dupe the consumer who only reads "560" and doesn't notice or understand 896sp.

Shame.
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As long as we have AMD apologist as some people above, everything will be fine for AMD.


thebufenator said:
Very different from the 3GB vs 6GB GTX 1060.

Not.
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very different indeed, Specs are visible in the box, and in the e-tailers webs, totally opposed to the RX 560.
 
Araxie said:
are you really defending AMD?. you have to be extremely fan boy to defend such thing.. even AMD it's sending public Apologies.
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I am not defending AMD. This is just BS. The lower spec'd model has a different name than the other models. And of course AMD have to issue an apology because of media sites making mountains out of molehills as usual. It's a nothing story.

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If an AIB isn't listing the appropriate specifications then they should be brought to task by AMD..
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560D is Asia only. There are 14CU versions called 560 in the other markets.
 
reaper12 said:
Look at any of the 1080s, or the 1050s either on sale, for examples, there are several that have different clock speeds and there will be more of a difference in performance between them than the 2 missing CUs in the 560.
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That's hardly the same thing since anyone can simply overclock a video card to gain that performance back, and most of the AIB overclocked boards are sold under different naming conventions. That's much different than the GPU on the board having different physical hardware under the hood.

Ripped off by misleading advertising? The specs are listed, the lower spec'd 560s are called the 560D.
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Are you even paying attention? That's the entire point of the outcry, the AIBs were not labeling these particular 560s as the "560D" in these markets.

If an AIB isn't listing the appropriate specifications then they should be brought to task by AMD.
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Thanks, that's exactly what I stated.
 
Rizen said:
That's hardly the same thing since anyone can simply overclock a video card to gain that performance back, and most of the AIB overclocked boards are sold under different naming conventions. That's much different than the GPU on the board having different physical hardware under the hood.
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For NV, usually, but only because they have very good automatic turbo clocks and poor competition has let them go without needing aggressive binning. Silicon lottery still applies

On the other hand shaders can be unlocked and AMD has probably put out more unlockable cards overall. Heck I wouldn't be surprised if these cards weren't unlockable.
 
This is a lot worse than 1060 3GB vs 6GB situation. Nvidia made it clear on launch day that *all* GTX 1060 3GB's would be the 1152SP version, and all 1060 6GB's would be the 1280SP version. Media outlets made it clear that the 3GB and 6GB versions differed in more than VRAM alone, and most strongly recommended the 6GB over the 3GB.
On the other hand, when the RX 560 launched, most reviewers emphasized that it had 10-15% more shading power than the RX 460. Now, suddenly, there are SKU's identical to the RX 460, and it will take a huge amount of digging to figure out which products are the real 560's and which ones are the rebranded 460's, especially since manufacturers will certainly try as hard as they are allowed to hide the difference. This strikes me as an underhanded move to appease a few OEM's (possibly helping them move obsolete stock) at the expense of the consumer.
 
bwang said:
This is a lot worse than 1060 3GB vs 6GB situation. Nvidia made it clear on launch day that *all* GTX 1060 3GB's would be the 1152SP version, and all 1060 6GB's would be the 1280SP version. Media outlets made it clear that the 3GB and 6GB versions differed in more than VRAM alone, and most strongly recommended the 6GB over the 3GB.
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Nothing is worse than a 3GB "mid-range" card in 2016 :p
 
bwang said:
This is a lot worse than 1060 3GB vs 6GB situation. Nvidia made it clear on launch day that *all* GTX 1060 3GB's would be the 1152SP version, and all 1060 6GB's would be the 1280SP version. Media outlets made it clear that the 3GB and 6GB versions differed in more than VRAM alone, and most strongly recommended the 6GB over the 3GB.
On the other hand, when the RX 560 launched, most reviewers emphasized that it had 10-15% more shading power than the RX 460. Now, suddenly, there are SKU's identical to the RX 460, and it will take a huge amount of digging to figure out which products are the real 560's and which ones are the rebranded 460's, especially since manufacturers will certainly try as hard as they are allowed to hide the difference. This strikes me as an underhanded move to appease a few OEM's (possibly helping them move obsolete stock) at the expense of the consumer.
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I bought a 1060 3GB and had no idea there was a difference besides VRAM. They should have made it more obvious.

Could have easily done 1060 and 1060ti.
 
Dayaks said:
I bought a 1060 3GB and had no idea there was a difference besides VRAM. They should have made it more obvious.

Could have easily done 1060 and 1060ti.
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Man you are giving [H] a bad name lol :p

J/k

anyhow

this is like the mx series level crap nV pulled with the gf2/4. Well that was even worse
 
razor1 said:
Man you are giving [H] a bad name lol :p

J/k

anyhow

this is like the mx series level crap nV pulled with the gf2/4. Well that was even worse
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I bought it on a whim as a gift for someone. I did check out reviews for the 3GB model and seemed like a good deal. 6GB was like +$100 because of the mining nonsense. So 1080p... 95% of games run ultra at 3GB just fine for $199.

But yeah in hindsight a little shady.
 
An update to the RX 560 confusion, but it probably doesn't need it's own thread as it is for the China market:

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-radeon-rx-560-xt-specs-pricing,38803.html

The new RX 560 XT looks to be much closer in performance to the RX 570 than the RX 560. Kudos to AMD for naming it an RX 560 XT instead of an RX 570 1792 sp or some crap as was the case with the RX 580 2048.

I guess they are learning their lesson finally.

So now there are 3 performance levels (ignoring memory size) of RX 560 that vary widely as the newest version is about twice the performance of the rotten RX 560D.

The GTX 1060 still has them beat with 4, even ignoring memory size. The 6gb GDDR5, 6 GB GDDR5X, a China 5GB (less bandwidth), and the 3 GB (less shaders).
 
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