Steam Hardware Survey updated with GPUs

I can't wait for Vietnam, India, Pakistan, Iran, etc join the Steam revolution. Windows 10 will be completely erased from Steam then!

Some of those nations have goverments that doesn't like the internet...think if their citizens got access to information without censorship...just saying ;)
 
Some of those nations have goverments that doesn't like the internet...think if their citizens got access to information without censorship...just saying ;)

That's very much the case with China now. Depending on how effective the enforcement of their ban on private VPN use ends up being the net few months could easily see the steam results shift back to normal as all the Chinese PUBG players have their connections to overseas servers shut down at the border.
 
That's very much the case with China now. Depending on how effective the enforcement of their ban on private VPN use ends up being the net few months could easily see the steam results shift back to normal as all the Chinese PUBG players have their connections to overseas servers shut down at the border.

Yes, and no. I agree with you that the Chinese are heavy on censorship, but they seem to like money just as much. I think they will make Steam create a client that caters to their censorship laws just like everyone else does when they do business in China. Hell they might already features that the Chinese government wants in there?
 
Yes, and no. I agree with you that the Chinese are heavy on censorship, but they seem to like money just as much. I think they will make Steam create a client that caters to their censorship laws just like everyone else does when they do business in China. Hell they might already features that the Chinese government wants in there?

Steam is already censored in multiple countries. So the games you can buy is different depending on local law.
 
Damn, seems even “China Number 1” knows what to buy.

There’s a reason why I have non party chat muted.
 
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Whoever made that graph needs to be slapped for using those colors...not only are they way too close to the same, but the similar colors are on opposite brands. Not that you should have difficulty figuring out which is which (given the accompanying data), but it's still irritating.
 
A quick calculation, if we just stick to AMD is that only 1 of 4 AMD users are buying Ryzen. The rest are going Intel.

And graphics isn't much different besides going Nvidia.
 
Let us now bow to our Chinese overlords. At least they seem to appreciate a 4 core PC.

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Also I can't wait for India to come online and topple the Chinese in a few years. That is going to be glorious. I wonder if Valve will add a mobile section at some point to Steam? Newell's net worth would triple.
 
I wonder if Steam data will be broken down on a regional basis.
It would make sense, as the demographics vary wildy over the span of the entire globe.
 
Also I can't wait for India to come online and topple the Chinese in a few years. That is going to be glorious. I wonder if Valve will add a mobile section at some point to Steam? Newell's net worth would triple.

I had a quick peek at my studio's marketing data and it looks like India won't topple China anytime soon. They may be similar population-wise but a far greater proportion of China is online than India is.
India rivals China in terms of mobile usage though.

And I have to cheekily agree with Nenu. It's pompous of us to assume China is skewing a Canadian company's survey results. ;)
 
I had a quick peek at my studio's marketing data and it looks like India won't topple China anytime soon. They may be similar population-wise but a far greater proportion of China is online than India is.
India rivals China in terms of mobile usage though.

And I have to cheekily agree with Nenu. It's pompous of us to assume China is skewing a Canadian company's survey results. ;)
Skewing may not be the right word, but as Factum stated it would be nice to have a region breakdown. With 60%+ of the survey having Chinese players it doesn't really say what any given area will have.

And my new (now 3mth old system in sig) has yet to be polled and I play a game on steam everyday.
 
Skewing may not be the right word, but as Factum stated it would be nice to have a region breakdown. With 60%+ of the survey having Chinese players it doesn't really say what any given area will have.

And my new (now 3mth old system in sig) has yet to be polled and I play a game on steam everyday.
It's skewed insofar as most of the data is coming from the Chinese market, rather than being gathered evenly from each market regardless of population. I'm not sure that's a bad thing, but it is true.
 
Well the trend can be followed as time goes on. If a new region data is introduced it will skew all the old data if a large quantity. Following data trends will indicate more clearly what is going on. So in a nutshell it is hard to determine anything with the current information.
 
These results do give us an idea of global market shares in steam which now includes Asia and their brand preferences as it also makes up a huge chunk of the global gaming market, not just the usual American and European segments. It is a new data point, actually.
 
North American market is around 10%, EMEA around 12%, Asia around 65% of PC sales. Would be strange if it didn't manifest itself somehow.
 
Skewing may not be the right word, but as Factum stated it would be nice to have a region breakdown. With 60%+ of the survey having Chinese players it doesn't really say what any given area will have.

And my new (now 3mth old system in sig) has yet to be polled and I play a game on steam everyday.

I do agree that regional breakdowns are important. Our marketing guys got burnt by that already. For example, console penetration numbers look awesome for Europe and North America but insignificant in Asia. Windows XP/7/8/10 is another factor. Lastly localization is also very important.

In my opinion, the steam hardware survey today is not very relevant for developers without very specific regional breakdowns and a specific target audience. For North America, it’s not a big issue but Europe can be wildly different between East and West Europe. And Asia, not saying they are backward but they definitely don’t see the same urgency in upgrading operating systems. And Asia seems to dislike consoles.

That said, I don’t want to get too down on the steam hardware survey. Those are important numbers and data they collect, but like all statistics, the presentation of those steam hardware survey results is very important.
 
Also I can't wait for India to come online and topple the Chinese in a few years. That is going to be glorious. I wonder if Valve will add a mobile section at some point to Steam? Newell's net worth would triple.


Gaming in India isn't as big as it is in China, very hard to get performance gaming GPU's in India at decent prices.... Most people get 1 gen old parts for that reason. Even current gen mid range parts are at cost premiums many times. Limited quantity and poor sales distribution across the marketplace. Store owners also tend not to stock up on higher end products, cause most people aren't looking for those types of systems or parts.
 
December numbers out. Slight improvement for AMD in CPU and GPU. Rebound for Windows 10.

CPU:
Intel 91.2%
AMD 8.76%

GPU:
Nvidia 84.88%
AMD 8.95%
Intel 5.98%

Best selling GPU is still the 1060 (Series).
VR continues to be dead.
Vega still the worst selling GPU ever.
 
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December numbers out. Slight improvement for AMD in CPU and GPU. Rebound for Windows 10.

Vega still the worst selling GPU ever.
I don't think you can make this statement based on a Steam hardware survey. I'd dare say a great number of the Vega cards are never used for gaming.
 
I don't think you can make this statement based on a Steam hardware survey. I'd dare say a great number of the Vega cards are never used for gaming.

Doesn't change much, its a flop in HPC too. And it sells less than Fiji did. Only good thing to say is not much R&D went into it.
 
Mostly what we're seeing is a just a decline in the size of the surge of PUBG players from mainland China that drove the massive swings in numerous stats over the last few months. They're still dominating them though as can be seen in the language tab numbers:


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Simplified Chinese 49.04% -15.31%
English 23.42% +6.40%
 
Mostly what we're seeing is a just a decline in the size of the surge of PUBG players from mainland China that drove the massive swings in numerous stats over the last few months. They're still dominating them though as can be seen in the language tab numbers:


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Simplified Chinese 49.04% -15.31%
English 23.42% +6.40%

Yet didn't really change the HW numbers.
 
Yet didn't really change the HW numbers.

The bulk of the giant lump is still there, but there was a 4% shift away from quad core CPUs (mostly back down to 2/3 core models, not up to 6+ cores - the graph on the top of the page hasn't updated yet), 8 GB of ram dropped 6% (with gains spread equally above/below that level), if you look on the directX subpage, many video cards shifted their relative shares by >50%. None of those are normal moves.
 
First results of 2018. January numbers out.

CPU:
Intel 91.9% (+0.7%)
AMD 8.1% (-0.7%)

GPU:
Nvidia 86.4% (+1.5%)
AMD 8.2% (-0.7%)
Intel 5.3% (-0.7%)
 
Not everyone uses localized windows. I certainly don't. That last one I Had localized was w98.
 
First results of 2018. January numbers out.

CPU:
Intel 91.9% (+0.7%)
AMD 8.1% (-0.7%)

GPU:
Nvidia 86.4% (+1.5%)
AMD 8.2% (-0.7%)
Intel 5.3% (-0.7%)

I suppose that was to be expected as it looks like only miners can get hold of Vega cards.
 
I suppose that was to be expected as it looks like only miners can get hold of Vega cards.

Vega isn't going to change anything as it is an inherit epic failure in several areas. Fiji was a better product than Vega and Fiji was bad.

Miners buy Nvidia cards too for a real long time. So the mining excuse have gotten old and obsolete in terms of shifting share.
 
Its not mining that is is causing the shortages, Lisa Su even stated this, its due to the shortages and lack of memory GDDR5 all the way up to HBM2
 
Vega isn't going to change anything as it is an inherit epic failure in several areas. Fiji was a better product than Vega and Fiji was bad.

Miners buy Nvidia cards too for a real long time. So the mining excuse have gotten old and obsolete in terms of shifting share.
Your overly critical which discredits what you are saying. Intel meltdown and other BS prone hardware is not our friends either. Biggest problem with Vega is there is not enough of them to go around at a reasonable price or to satisfy the market. Games fine, can do Crypto and other Compute stuff rather well depending upon what it is - Same as Nvidia. Still the numbers are what they are meaning great opportunity for AMD to expand.
 
If you have been following the Hardocp news front page, this piece of news came up.

https://www.hardocp.com/news/2018/02/02/windows_10_finally_surpasses_7_market_share

http://gs.statcounter.com/windows-version-market-share/desktop/worldwide/#monthly-201701-201801


And in Steam's hardware survey results

Windows 7 64 bit
56.69% -12.11%

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Windows 10 64 bit
35.40% +10.63%

If you look at the Asian marketshare on statcounter.com, the win7 vs win10 share percentages are very similar to Steam's results.

I think the Steam hardware survey results are still overly skewed by China.
 
If you have been following the Hardocp news front page, this piece of news came up.

https://www.hardocp.com/news/2018/02/02/windows_10_finally_surpasses_7_market_share

http://gs.statcounter.com/windows-version-market-share/desktop/worldwide/#monthly-201701-201801


And in Steam's hardware survey results

Windows 7 64 bit
56.69% -12.11%

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Windows 10 64 bit
35.40% +10.63%

If you look at the Asian marketshare on statcounter.com, the win7 vs win10 share percentages are very similar to Steam's results.

I think the Steam hardware survey results are still overly skewed by China.

They are. Chinese is still 50% of the language total.

If you look at the DirextX breakdown table, you can see the Win7/10 ratio is still heavily skewed from it's pre-china/pubg surge (which hit at full force in October).

To get more historical data than that you need to use the internet archive. Fortunately it spiders the survey almost every month.

If you bring up the September data you see:

https://web.archive.org/web/20171009050054/http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/

English 34.64%
-3.92%
Simplified Chinese 29.54% +7.91%

Windows 10 64 bit 45.37% -4.66%
Windows 7 64 bit 41.01% +6.00%

which captures the leading edge of the surge. The DirectX page also shows that the shifts that much were much larger than normal:

https://web.archive.org/web/20171030152352/http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/directx/


Looking back even farther (which I hadn't done until I started writing this post), the share of Chinese players on steam had been slowly growing all year. In December 2016 they were only ~9% of the total.

https://web.archive.org/web/20170118114317/http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/

With China's install base being skewed more heavily to Win7 than the west's this provides a plausible explanation for something I'd noticed in the OS stat trends in the 1st part of the year but had no idea why was happening. W10-64 had stalled out at about 50% vs 30% for W7-64 shortly after the free upgrade period ended. Through the 1st third of 2017 both versions then gained a few percent (primarily at the expense of W7-32 and W8.1-64), while the middle third showed W10 stalling out and W7-64 gaining share again. At the time I was puzzled because while the steam OS numbers are a noisy signal there wasn't any good reason to explain the trend there reversing while everywhere else showed W10 slowly and steadily gaining share as people replaced old computers. In retrospect it was the leading edge of Chinese players joining steam.

With PUBG being localized I'm curious how much of the bubble will deflate over the next few months...
 
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