DAN HSLP-48: A powerful sub 50mm heatsink

Since I just built my Ryzen 1700x DAN A4 this is encouraging!
Now what about direct contact heatpipes? j/k...kinda...
 
jenosmaverick said:
Uhm dondan can you test an i7 8700 or any Coffee lake in the near future? As much as I want the R1700 it is not that good for MMORPG :(
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Seriously? Which MMORPG and at what resolution? Genuinely thought that the only real case for intel was twitch shooters at 1080p resolution. Sorry for the off topic question...
 
richiegore I'm playing Blade and soul. I'm still waiting for my v2 case before I start building. Wanted to get a Ryzen but benchmarks from youtube aren't pretty. 20-30 fps in 12 man raids while intel barely dips below 40fps.
 
jenosmaverick said:
richiegore I'm playing Blade and soul. I'm still waiting for my v2 case before I start building. Wanted to get a Ryzen but benchmarks from youtube aren't pretty. 20-30 fps in 12 man raids while intel barely dips below 40fps.
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That's one of those edge cases where single threaded performance is everything. I would consider the 8400 it probably performs excellently to as it has great single threaded bost frequency I think.
 
D-Wiz said:
Since I just built my Ryzen 1700x DAN A4 this is encouraging!
Now what about direct contact heatpipes? j/k...kinda...
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This has already been discussed. Direct heatpipe was a marketing gimmick. It works but it is not better than a solid copper base.
 
Ca11idus said:
This has already been discussed. Direct heatpipe was a marketing gimmick. It works but it is not better than a solid copper base.
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Not only that, but the die under the ihs may not even line up with the outer heat pipes. So in direct contact coolers, without a copper contact plate you're relying solely on the ihs to distribute the heat to the outer pipes. Solid copper contact plate is the way to go. It helps all the heat pipes conduct heat rather than just the ones directly over the die area. At best, direct contact is a marketing gimmick, more realistically its a way to save money on manufacturing. Less materials required.
 
Ej24 said:
Not only that, but the die under the ihs may not even line up with the outer heat pipes. So in direct contact coolers, without a copper contact plate you're relying solely on the ihs to distribute the heat to the outer pipes. Solid copper contact plate is the way to go. It helps all the heat pipes conduct heat rather than just the ones directly over the die area. At best, direct contact is a marketing gimmick, more realistically its a way to save money on manufacturing. Less materials required.
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thus the "j/k".
the "kinda" was more for the fact that you might be able to get more space for the cooler (larger fins) with the thinner base that you could do with direct contact.
 
I think one reason for the performance degradation with more heatpipes is because the hottest heatpipes move closer to the center of the fan, where there is less airflow. You see, the tips of the fan move the most air. The center moves nothing.

I think the most efficient design is 4 heatpipes: the two center heatpipes (the hottest) on either side of the fan's center, so their corresponding heatsink fins are cooled by both the highest speed fan area on one side, and the center fan area on the other side. Then the outer 2 heatpipes attach to the far sides of the heatsink fins, so one side of the heatpipe has no fins, but the other side has fins in the highest fan speed area. And now this high speed area has no heatpipes blocking it in the middle.

Heatpipe, fins, heatpipe, fan hub area with air moving only at the top and bottom, heatpipe, fins, heatpipe.

The two C-shaped halves of the fan with the most airflow go directly through heatsink fin groups which are heated by 2 heatpipes each.

So now the question is: Where can we buy the 62 degrees Cooljag heatsink? ;) ;) ;)

Also note: Previous tests have shown that the performance outside the case can be wildly different inside the case, and when pushing versus pulling, and when ducted versus not. There may be no difference between these heatsinks in the A4, or the difference may be HUGE, depending on the configuration. We need to do much testing.

dondan said:
So here are the first results.

Setup:
Environment: open air (benchtable)
Room Temp: 22°C
Hardware: Ryzen 7 1700, Asus ROG Strix B350I-Gaming, Micron VLP DDR4 2400
Test Tool: Prime95 v.29.4, 8K Test FFTs in-place
Duration: each 15min

Ryzen 1700 default
  • HSLP-48 4HP (CJ) + A12x15 = 48°C
  • HSLP-48 5HP (LL) + A12x15 = 49°C
  • HSLP-48 4HP (LL) + A12x15 = 51°C
  • HSLP-48 6HP (LL) + A12x15 = 51°C
  • Noctua L9i + A9x14 = 62°C


Ryzen 1700 @3,6Ghz 1,26V
  • HSLP-48 4HP (CJ) + A12x15 = 62°C
  • HSLP-48 5HP (LL) + A12x15 = 67°C
  • HSLP-48 6HP (LL) + A12x15 = 69°C
  • HSLP-48 4HP (LL) + A12x15 = 77°C
  • Noctua L9i + A9x14 = 82°C

* LL = LianLi
* CJ = CoolJag
* HP = Heatpipe

Yes you see right the 4 heatpipe CoolJag sample from summer is still the best. Maybe CoolJag use better heatpipes, or a better soldering material to connect heatpipe and CPU plate or maybe the brushed bottom surface is better as the polished LL surface.

The test show us, that heatpipe isn't the most important thing. There is a point where surface rules against heatpipe count. On the Ryzen CPU I used for the test you can see that on default clock nearly every heatsink perform the same. So the heatpipe performance or count has not a big impact on the results. The overclocked CPU generates more heat so the heatsink from LianLi with more pipes are better, but 5 heatpipes are enough. The 6 heatpipe sample has less surface as the 5 heatpipe sample because of the extra pipe this result in the 2°C difference. Maybe some of you will think a CoolJag sample with 5 heatpipes will be also much better as the 4 pipe sample. I don't think this is true because the CoolJag sample reach already the sweetpot and more pipes will reduce the surface.

I will do more tests with different fan sizes and also inside the case in the next days.
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dondan said:
I have six samples here:

2x HSLP-48 4 heatpipe all copper Cooljag sample
2x HSLP-48 4 heatpipe alu/copper Cooljag sample

1x HSLP-48 4 heatpipe all copper LianLi sample
1x HSLP-48 4 heatpipe alu/copper LianLi sample

I can only sell 4x retention for socket 2066/2011-3 narrow and square. So two samples will have no retention. If you have the Thermalright AXP100 retention you can use that one. The fan clips aren't pefect maybe you have to bend it by yourself or mount the fan with zip ties.

I can give no warranry, the samples are prototypes so the quality isn't perfect. Users with Asrock x99e itx or x299e itx will be prefered. Please write me a PM if you are interested in.
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Do you still have a sample left for X99? I can't seem to be able to send PMs
 
Thenewguy91 said:
Not asking Dan to run test... More of a general question to see if someone has but an 8700 in their build yet... And if so what cooling results are they looking at.
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I've got an 8700 non K in a Dan A4-SFX, using an L9i cooler with 25mm noctua fan.

The cooling results are not good, and neither is the sound.

I'm moving the setup to a different case until this cooler comes out.
 
If you use a 25mm fan on the NH-L9i, then this setup is not notacibly better but far louder than with the x14-fan. Have you already delidded your i7-8700 Revenant_Knight? Did you use liquid metal thermal paste on the heatspreader?
 
Shaav said:
If you use a 25mm fan on the NH-L9i, then this setup is not notacibly better but far louder than with the x14-fan. Have you already delidded your i7-8700 Revenant_Knight? Did you use liquid metal thermal paste on the heatspreader?
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25mm fan dropped the temp from 100C to 90C, and reduced noise.

No delid yet. I used thermal paste not liquid metal.

To preempt any other concerns: I reseated the cooler. I TDP limited the mainboard to 65 watts in the Bios. I made sure the Voltage wasn't automatically on high. Bottom line: it's a hot chip.
 
Revenant_Knight said:
25mm fan dropped the temp from 100C to 90C, and reduced noise.

No delid yet. I used thermal paste not liquid metal.

To preempt any other concerns: I reseated the cooler. I TDP limited the mainboard to 65 watts in the Bios. I made sure the Voltage wasn't automatically on high. Bottom line: it's a hot chip.
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What are your gaming temps? Do you actually do anything like rendering that pushes your temps that high? If not there is no point changing the case untill the Dan cooler comes out as the case is still working for you. Who cares if your gaming temps are 70° or 80°, both are safe temperatures. I'd only be worries if your leaving your computer rendering 3d images for 12hours stretches and it's temps are in the 90°s...
 
richiegore said:
What are your gaming temps? Do you actually do anything like rendering that pushes your temps that high? If not there is no point changing the case untill the Dan cooler comes out as the case is still working for you. Who cares if your gaming temps are 70° or 80°, both are safe temperatures. I'd only be worries if your leaving your computer rendering 3d images for 12hours stretches and it's temps are in the 90°s...
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Gaming temps hit the 90s. I do video editing, sound recording, and photoshop work on it that max the cores for long periods. the system gets loud.

Im switching it to an MI-6 Firewolfy case with a bigger heatsink. When the Dan heat sink comes out, I'll probably move a 6700K/980Ti gaming system into the A4-SFX, and upgrade my NCASE M1 to 8 core coffelake.
 
Wow 8700 is flaming hot lol. Wished this cpu could really be tested with the project cooler. Wanna see if it can tame that hot cpu.
 
Yes 2x CoolJag 4Heatpipe Alu/Copper are available. But I will only sell to 2011-3 users.
 
Revenant_Knight: Get the cooltek LP53 or Dynatron K129 with Noctua A9x14 fan.

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dondan said:
Yes 2x CoolJag 4Heatpipe Alu/Copper are available. But I will only sell to 2011-3 users.
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I am using a core i7 6850K with the X99 itx board, I would like to purchase one of those heatsinks if possible.
-Thanks
 
Revenant_Knight said:
Gaming temps hit the 90s. I do video editing, sound recording, and photoshop work on it that max the cores for long periods. the system gets loud.

Im switching it to an MI-6 Firewolfy case with a bigger heatsink. When the Dan heat sink comes out, I'll probably move a 6700K/980Ti gaming system into the A4-SFX, and upgrade my NCASE M1 to 8 core coffelake.
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Just wondering is your case against the wall on the CPU side? If it is and you can try putting it on the opposite side of your desk with the graphics card side to the wall. If you have not choice try moving it as far from the wall as possible, I get significant recirculation at 2", try moving it as far as possible from the wall then move it gradually closer. I'd start at 5" maybe....
 
richiegore said:
Just wondering is your case against the wall on the CPU side? If it is and you can try putting it on the opposite side of your desk with the graphics card side to the wall. If you have not choice try moving it as far from the wall as possible, I get significant recirculation at 2", try moving it as far as possible from the wall then move it gradually closer. I'd start at 5" maybe....
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Not near a wall. Being blown on by an AC vent set for 70f.

Don Dan: I'll give them a try.
 
LeMoNH3aD said:
Any chance the all copper 4HP version will be for sale soon?
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If you are asking for the final versione then you need to know that this project is months away from a kickstarter. Once the kickstarter is funded then you would have to wait whatever the manufacturing process might be. From there the logistics of receiving and organizing the shipments will be handled by dondan and that will also take some time as one man can only do so much.

Your best bet is to find the best heatsink for now and wait till the hslp 48 is ready.
 
How is the future support of this cooler? Will we get a new bracket for AM5 or newer Intel sockets? This is the only thing keeps me away from purchasing this cooler and DAN A4 case.
 
baonguyen312 said:
How is the future support of this cooler? Will we get a new bracket for AM5 or newer Intel sockets? This is the only thing keeps me away from purchasing this cooler and DAN A4 case.
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If it's the same as the noctua l9i/a then you will likely be able to buy a Noctua adaptor for the new ones. Assuming they don't discontinue the L9i/a.
 
I'm planning on an 8700k build in the v2 case so I'm hoping this cooler will work well. Otherwise I'll take the plunge and lose my front usb ports for a 92mm AIO.
 
I can't give a ETA on this heatsink so I recomment that you delid the 8700k and it will work fine with a Cooltek/Thermolab LP53 + A9x14.
 
I'm curious to tinker around and see what modding would have to be done to keep the front usb with an aio
 
dondan said:
I can't give a ETA on this heatsink so I recomment that you delid the 8700k and it will work fine with a Cooltek/Thermolab LP53 + A9x14.
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Bummer. Was hoping you'd have a timeline for something by spring of next year. A delid is definitely planned because Intel is idiotic to not solder this CPU.

Thenewguy91 said:
I'm curious to tinker around and see what modding would have to be done to keep the front usb with an aio
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For the v1 or v2?
 
Revenant_Knight said:
Gaming temps hit the 90s. I do video editing, sound recording, and photoshop work on it that max the cores for long periods. the system gets loud.

Im switching it to an MI-6 Firewolfy case with a bigger heatsink. When the Dan heat sink comes out, I'll probably move a 6700K/980Ti gaming system into the A4-SFX, and upgrade my NCASE M1 to 8 core coffelake.
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Did you check (e.g. with HWMonitor) how much power your CPU actually uses? With the 65W limit you claim to have set in the BIOS, it should never get that hot. I'm a using 95W limit with the same CPU (also no delid, standard thermal paste, standard Noctua cooler) and my temps are lower than yours. Also noise is no issue.
See https://hardforum.com/threads/dan-a...in-the-world.1799326/page-314#post-1043280656 for details.
 
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