Is a new build using Windows 7 possible?

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I'd like to build a new gaming PC and it seems all the new motherboards do not support Windows7. I'm a long time AMD user however I thought I might go the Intel I 7 route this time, after reading those are not supported I thought I would stick with AMD. Is this a bad idea, should I just make the jump to Windows 10? Thanks in advance for any reply.
 
Jeeptek1 said:
I'd like to build a new gaming PC and it seems all the new motherboards do not support Windows7. I'm a long time AMD user however I thought I might go the Intel I 7 route this time, after reading those are not supported I thought I would stick with AMD. Is this a bad idea, should I just make the jump to Windows 10? Thanks in advance for any reply.
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Just try it and if it does not work, make the jump. :) What parts are you planning on buying?
 
Make the jump, it's crazy people are still using win7 at this point. Win10 is miles better in all respects. I still have a win7 laptop at work, but I only use it when I really need to (it's a 4c/8t with 32gb of ram and my win10 laptop is 2c/4t with 16gb of ram), which is rare, and I hate it. It's less stable, less easy to use and feels less responsive. Those who are win7 holdouts are just scared of change at this point, even using the slower system on win10 feels the same or faster to me. All of my personal pc's are win10. Building a new high end pc and running win7 is like running 8 year old tires on your supercar (see: Walker, Paul).
 
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bobzdar said:
Make the jump, it's crazy people are still using win7 at this point. Win10 is miles better in all respects. I still have a win7 laptop at work, but I only use it when I really need to (it's a 4c/8t with 32gb of ram and my win10 laptop is 2c/4t with 16gb of ram), which is rare, and I hate it. It's less stable, less easy to use and feels less responsive. Those who are win7 holdouts are just scared of change at this point, even using the slower system on win10 feels the same or faster to me. All of my personal pc's are win10. Building a new high end pc and running win7 is like running 8 year old tires on your supercar (see: Walker, Paul).
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This is totally false. Win 7 is rock solid and still performs extremely well compared to win 10. The only reason to really get 10 is DX12 or maybe a work related reasons.
 
Support for modern BIOS is the main reason going forward. W7 is fast and was a revolutionary OS(compared to Vista,ugh).
 
bobzdar said:
Make the jump, it's crazy people are still using win7 at this point. Win10 is miles better in all respects. I still have a win7 laptop at work, but I only use it when I really need to (it's a 4c/8t with 32gb of ram and my win10 laptop is 2c/4t with 16gb of ram), which is rare, and I hate it. It's less stable, less easy to use and feels less responsive. Those who are win7 holdouts are just scared of change at this point, even using the slower system on win10 feels the same or faster to me. All of my personal pc's are win10. Building a new high end pc and running win7 is like running 8 year old tires on your supercar (see: Walker, Paul).
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Win10 has a lot of downsides and the one upside is Dx12. Build 1709 is a big stinky turd. Most of my time is spend hacking Win 10 so it doesn't do shit I didn't ask it to. That said, I like it best but its a major pita.
 
Furious_Styles said:
This is totally false. Win 7 is rock solid and still performs extremely well compared to win 10. The only reason to really get 10 is DX12 or maybe a work related reasons.
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In my direct experience doing similar work (and I mean work, not games or whatever) on both, win10 performs better and is more stable. You also gain linux subsystem (which is great if you don't want to dual boot or run a virtualized os), a better scheduler, better support of new hardware etc. I only use win7 when I have to as they don't have a win10 image for my i7/32gb machine at work.
 
If you think Windows 10 performs better than Windows 7 did, then your Windows 7 installation had issues.

All our Windows 7 boxes blow away Windows 10 in virtually every metric.

Sounds to me like your Windows 7 installations were not handled very well. That is just speculation on my part, but it is the only logical thing I can come up with when I am experiencing the opposite of what you are.
 
bobzdar said:
In my direct experience doing similar work (and I mean work, not games or whatever) on both, win10 performs better and is more stable. You also gain linux subsystem (which is great if you don't want to dual boot or run a virtualized os), a better scheduler, better support of new hardware etc. I only use win7 when I have to as they don't have a win10 image for my i7/32gb machine at work.
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That's fair. I thought you meant mainly for normal desktop/gaming use. I have win 10 on my laptop and honestly don't want to upgrade to it on my desktop. I've had one of the major updates fuck up the raid array and require a re-install (the raid was stupid but that was how it came from the manufacturer) and as of a month ago none of my windows apps (e.g. calc) want to open. Makes no fucking sense.
 
BSmith said:
If you think Windows 10 performs better than Windows 7 did, then your Windows 7 installation had issues.

All our Windows 7 boxes blow away Windows 10 in virtually every metric.

Sounds to me like your Windows 7 installations were not handled very well. That is just speculation on my part, but it is the only logical thing I can come up with when I am experiencing the opposite of what you are.
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Or vice versa for your win10 installations.

In my personal use, win10 has also been more stable, but I went win7 to win8.1 to win10 on my personal machine so it wasn't a direct comparison of 10 to 7. In any case, going back to win7 machines feels like I'm using an antique.

I'm not sure what metrics you're using, I run data processing/ML applications at work and the performance difference is non-existent. There are some stability differences (in win10's favor), but not speed. The only time I use the win7 machine is if I need more than 16gb of ram or I need the more powerful quadro on it. I can also run some software on the win10 machine that would require a dual boot or hacking to get running on the win7 machine due to the linux subsytem (like spark, h2o and some python packages).
 
The WIndows 10 installations were new and with the standard adjustments for security. I tried to tweak one to get as much as I could out of it and it still is slower than the comparable hardware equipped Windows 7 system.

Never had a stability problem with Windows 7, at all., but we waited until Windows 7 was stable. The early versions of Windows 7 were a nightmare. It could also be the difference in what applications you are supporting from what I am supporting.

I feel comfortable saying it is not fair to say one is better than the other as a blanket statement. I think it will depend on the environment more than anything else, but Windows 7 is much easier to tweak than Windows 10 is and it will stay tweaked, unlike Windows 10 which likes to reset things to default after any given update. That is crazy making for me.

We got rid of all our Windows 10 operating systems due to the problems with the latest creator update. It was not the first to introduce problems, but it was the last.
 
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The WIndows 10 installations were new and with the standard adjustments for security. I tried to tweak one to get as much as I could out of it and it still is slower than the comparable hardware equipped Windows 7 system.

Never had a stability problem with Windows 7, at all., but we waited until Windows 7 was stable. The early versions of Windows 7 were a nightmare. It could also be the difference in what applications you are supporting from what I am supporting.

I feel comfortable saying it is not fair to say one is better than the other as a blanket statement. I think it will depend on the environment more than anything else, but Windows 7 is much easier to tweak than Windows 10 is and it will stay tweaked, unlike Windows 10 which likes to reset things to default after any given update. That is crazy making for me.

We got rid of all our Windows 10 operating systems due to the problems with the latest creator update. It was not the first to introduce problems, but it was the last.
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Slower in what? I run heavily threaded ML algorithms and the os doesn't seem to matter at all. If you're talking browsing/desktop/office productivity, if either of them isn't lightning fast on new hardware there's something else wrong. I'm curious to see what's actually slower, it may just be something I don't ever use. For my personal machine I do gaming, browsing and some experimenting with ML stuff, occasional 3d rendering etc. Nothing that I've noticed any OS influence on at all. I've also had zero issues on it related to windows updates that I can tell, but I also don't go enabling/disabling services on it.
 
Our software compiles were slower in Windows 10. It also booted slower. We do a lot of big software compiles. It may be the memory compression Windows 10 is using for its memory swap. Speculation on my part. I really did not have the bandwidth to figure it out as I got tossed into a situation left by the vacating admin.

Then again, I run Windows 7 very lean. It may be that.

Basically was told to fix it or I was done. My fix was to get rid of Windows 10. It was the expedient choice. Given time, I might have been able to salvage Windows 10, but to be honest, I did not want to get into the situation where things were changing as I had no control over them.
 
Windows 7 works perfectly fine on Ryzen with supported boards like the Asus Prime X370 Pro. If I were building a Windows gaming rig today that's what I would do. Windows 10 is a dumpster fire.

Take a serious look at Linux if you haven't recently. Hardware and game compatibility have exploded over the last few years. I moved my whole house to Linux Mint a year ago and I'm happy with it.
 
from my perspective win 7 is quicker then win 10 , measured in cinema r 15 and vray benchmark tool /moar points and less render time/, really i dont get it why is that ..../tr1920x-asus-prime-x-399-a/

only reason i moved to win 10 is system updates ....
 
change is good when it brings benefits to you , for me win 7 wins at performance level and thats it ,
only thing pushing me forward is system updates everything else is kind a lose lose situation .
 
Just go with Windows 10. I was a long time hold out as well but finally had to switch to 10 when I recently upgraded my rig. Ya know what? Aside from a few cosmetic things, it's just as good and I have to admit it's a little better in a few areas. I've asked myself a few times why I waited so long. The Windows 10 hate is overrated.
 
Xinmosni said:
Why not just go with XP while you're at it?

Change is bad, especially when you're afraid of it.
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It is really personal preference. For me, Windows 7 does everything I need it to do, works well, is reliable and doesn't break shit every time there are some updates. W10 does nothing for me I need, and it creates problems and chaos where it didn't exist before. People who pull out the "afraid of change" card need to mind their own business. Change that adds negative value is just stupid, its not about being "afraid".

Microsoft has done everything they can to push people into W10, but you don't have to if you don't want to. Figure out what works for you and don't worry about other peoples opinions.
 
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Windows 7 is the better OS.
You dont have to jump through hoops to make it do what you want.
You dont have to jump through hoops to stop it doing what you dont want it to.
It looks better, is easier to use, gives a better experience and performs just as well.
And you dont have to risk your personal data being syphoned to MS or anyone else that manages to intercept it, or that MS chooses to give it to.
 
Shrug, windows 7 is a worse OS simply for the fact that it's no longer fully supported. There are edge cases where win7 is better - but if you do a lot of varied use stuff and not a specific hyper focused task over and over, win10 will be better and easier. Try connecting to a wireless display on both. Try installing both on modern hardware. Try running linux on win7. Try running an Oculus. etc. etc. etc. I could go on, but unless you fall into one of those hyper narrow use cases that you've already tailored win7 to (or are part of the tinfoil hat/anal retentive brigade that should just use linux), win10 will be better.
 
bobzdar said:
Try connecting to a wireless display on both. Try installing both on modern hardware. Try running linux on win7. Try running an Oculus. etc. etc. etc. I could go on, but unless you fall into one of those hyper narrow use cases that you've already tailored win7 to (or are part of the tinfoil hat/anal retentive brigade that should just use linux), win10 will be better.
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bobzdar said:
Shrug, windows 7 is a worse OS simply for the fact that it's no longer fully supported. There are edge cases where win7 is better - but if you do a lot of varied use stuff and not a specific hyper focused task over and over, win10 will be better and easier. Try connecting to a wireless display on both. Try installing both on modern hardware. Try running linux on win7. Try running an Oculus. etc. etc. etc. I could go on, but unless you fall into one of those hyper narrow use cases that you've already tailored win7 to (or are part of the tinfoil hat/anal retentive brigade that should just use linux), win10 will be better.
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I like my tinfoil hat and Windows 7 is the last windows operating system I'll ever use. It's going to be a long hard road to full on Linux adoption but it'll be worth it in the end.
 
Windows 7 is credibly fast and powerful still on a modern PC. I use it on new laptop and it makes the laptop experience 2nd to none.

I use Windows 10 Lite V5 on my PC and it has been gutted of all the bs Microsoft has added. Installs in about 5 minutes it's that small.
 
Who the hell cares about all this crap. Yes, Windows 7 can still run on new hardware and yes, there are ways to make Windows updates work on them as well. Also, an X99 or Z170 platform are quite good as well, if you can find that parts at a fair price.
 
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