Intel’s Flagship 9th-Generation Core i7-9700K May Pack 8 Cores, 16 Threads

viper1152012 said:
And when you use avx it'll thermal throttle right?

Common Intel gimme a 5ghz 4 core already
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I have a > 5ghz sandy bridge box from January of 2011 that has run virtually everyday under load since I put it together. What are you complaining about 5ghz for? Would you rather have a slow 5ghz chip or a blazing fast ipc from a 4ghz behemoth?
 
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oldmanbal said:
I have a > 5ghz sandy bridge box from January of 2011 that has run virtually everyday under load since I put it together. What are you complaining about 5ghz for? Would you rather have a slow 5ghz chip or a blazing fast ipc from a 4ghz behemoth?
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I did ask for a 5ghz chip, not an oc'd ancient chip.
 
Single-core speeds still rule gaming, so I'm not sure how this is good or interesting to me. If a quad-core i3 is the fastest in gaming, that's what I'll get. The lower price will be a nice side effect. If an eight-core i9 is the fastest in gaming, then that's what I'll get, the increased price will be an unfortunate cost that I'll bear happily. But an eight-core CPU has never been the fastest in gaming.
 
viper1152012 said:
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I did ask for a 5ghz chip, not an oc'd ancient chip.
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Here you go!

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Might want some sour cream and onion dip to keep that bad boy cool.
 
Christ, a thread full of people complaining that a new generation CPU will require a new MB while bragging about how old their technology is... These are indeed sad times at [H] ;)
 
vegeta535 said:
Who the hell cares really? I have never updated a CPU without doing the motherboards. It is a pointless upgrade going from minor jumps which Intel been doing the past 10 years. 8700k and the 9700k which are their first huge jumps in performance. 6700k and hell even 4770k are still good CPUs. The 9700k going to be the first worth while upgrade for me coming from a 4770k. Even if I could drop a 9700k into my current MB I will be missing out on a lot of the new features that really makes the upgrade worth it. You think current AM4 MB going to be relevant in 5 years? Hell no MB manufacturer will even add a bios update that will be required to put in a new AMD CPU into it for old MB.
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If this is true, don't buy 8th parts, they will quickly be obsoleted by these 9th gen parts, just like 8th gen obsoleted 7th gen parts. Maybe Intel can fix that pesky IME bug, or disable IME entirely.
 
A new mb would suck if you upgrade with every generation, but why the fuck are you upgradIng every generation these days?!

I'm still rocking haswell, and have a sandy bridge i leave at a friends that has no problems so far.

Maybe gen 9 will get me out of gen 5, but i doubt it.
 
I think the biggest losers in this round are the people who bought 7000 series. If you had built a 6000 series from the start, you at got 2 years out of the system. But anyone who built a 7000 series saw their entire core system become obsolete in less than a year. At least anyone building a 8000 series today will benefit from a 2 core advantage.
 
It' not like your 4 core 8 thread cpu will be obsolete game developers will make use of it for years to come. I only seen two games recommending 6 core Intel chips recently.
 
ZiggyDeath said:
I think the biggest losers in this round are the people who bought 7000 series. If you had built a 6000 series from the start, you at got 2 years out of the system. But anyone who built a 7000 series saw their entire core system become obsolete in less than a year. At least anyone building a 8000 series today will benefit from a 2 core advantage.
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Can't wait to sell my 8700K for barely any loss down the line... lol
 
Dion said:
Do people actually buy whole new mobo/cpu every year Intel releases new ones? lol. What a waste..
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Some do I think. No option this time around though, 8 months later, new mobo for two more cores! What a scam.

IdiotInCharge said:
all platforms are dead platforms
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I disagree. I went from P67 to Z68, it uses the same CPU.

I gained large disc support, USB3, usb sleep charging. Pretty happy with that as it's more than enough for what I need for the next while. When the CPU/GPU get slow enough to upgrade further, I'll do the whole lot. Waiting to see what AMD and Intel offer for 10nm though.
 
N4CR said:
Some do I think. No option this time around though, 8 months later, new mobo for two more cores! What a scam.
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I've been saying the same thing for months and get bashed by the Intel Defense Force for blasphemy.
 
kirbyrj said:
I've been saying the same thing for months and get bashed by the Intel Defense Force for blasphemy.
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Oh yeah they got very sour when one pointed out this coming bullshit in past.
Notice how they don't come here to keep the thread title out of the new post results, via not generating discussion? For people who love sucking intel cock all the time and turning everything into Intel or dragging AMD through the mud, they sure don't like threads that are not positive for Intel.
I can hear them from here
>quick, back to the 8th gen batcave
 
maddude said:
Christ, a thread full of people complaining that a new generation CPU will require a new MB while bragging about how old their technology is... These are indeed sad times at [H] ;)
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The point is that people are barely getting their 8xxx setups with chip near-paper launching, meanwhile this is two extra cores and could have easily been compatible with current motherboards. But no, lets disable 20 pins and sell people a new board in some months' time.
People are okay with new platforms after a year or two. But less than a year is getting beyond a joke. But run along now, upgrade to the latest thing for that sweet 2% IPC boost and throw more shit in the bin for future generations to deal with.
 
Intel and users alike blaming AMD for Intel not putting more cores/threads etc BS on that, if Intel could have dones so (because the motherboard design was forward thinking enough to do so) they should have simple as that.

I can understand from point of view for example sats 6, or usb 3.1-3.2 or whatever, but, for forcing socket upgrade even when dont need to, to "support" the higher core count (when the pins are available from the get go) is abuse of market "leadership" even more so when they have been "stuck" at the same nm size for a few years now.

If there is anyone I can see sticking with their plan on retaining their socket compatibility for a few generations it would be AMD (AM4/TR4/EPYC) seeing as they built theirs more of a SOC or however you want to word it that most of everything is built into the chip directly, so "minor" upgrades could be available to new motherboards (possibly) things such as PCI-e 4.0, DDR4 etc just by giving the microcode update and enable/disable the feature if and when needed.

In other words, if AMD feels they need to totally gut the board for new design, they will, whereas Intel who supposedly designs these things with a fine tooth comb has no reason not to continue supporting forward and backward and still chooses not to, looking for excuses for high priced chips and motherboards constantly O.O
 
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Christ, a thread full of people complaining that a new generation CPU will require a new MB while bragging about how old their technology is... These are indeed sad times at [H] ;)
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More like sad times in the PC industry. Until Ryzen came along, there really hasn't been anything exciting since Sandy Bridge. The "improvements" in Intel processors has been so minuscule, that it seems pointless to upgrade until several generations out. For those of us who were hot and heavy in the late '90's - early '00's, we remember when every year, you could drop in a new CPU and get a massive performance increase, and every couple years do a complete upgrade for a revolutionary leap in computing performance. The reality that 5-7 year old platforms can still do everything well enough as a new platform, just needing a GPU upgrade for games, is sad.

Now, I have a question of my own regarding the "new MB" issue with pretty much each new generation. I know we are dealing with economies of scale, but how much profit does Intel make on each motherboard compared to each CPU? I also presume that Intel sells far more CPU's to system integrators like Dell, HP, etc., than to the builder and upgrading community. Those vendors would be using a new MB anyway, so why would Intel care?
 
ZiggyDeath said:
I think the biggest losers in this round are the people who bought 7000 series. If you had built a 6000 series from the start, you at got 2 years out of the system. But anyone who built a 7000 series saw their entire core system become obsolete in less than a year. At least anyone building a 8000 series today will benefit from a 2 core advantage.
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You wouldnt have liked the 90s :)
 
Upgraded from a 2500k to a 7700k this year.

Will upgrade again when single-threaded performance is worth the jump.
Additional cores are just a (seldom used) bonus for my workloads (being mostly a gamer/casual user at home with occasional need for heavy single or lightly-threaded workloads).

Lots'o'cores aren't nearly as big of deal to me as the mythical 5ghz barrier or a huge IPC gain.
Though the 8700k (which I probably should have waited for) and its 4.7GHZ boost clock in the same year as the 7700k does have me kicking myself a bit.
 
kirbyrj said:
1). There are PCIe slots on your motherboard. Just because the feature isn't on your motherboard doesn't mean you can't have it via add-on card. I had SATA3, NVMe, and USB3 on my 8 year old Sabertooth X58.
2). OS licensing is tied to a motherboard. I suppose you can just gray market your way to $15 Windows keys everytime you upgrade, but it's a real expense when you're paying full boat price everytime you switch motherboards.
3). The only major things that are going to change in the next 5 years to make AM4 go away is PCIe 4.0 or DDR5 memory. PCIe 4.0 is probably a minor update if the previous updates were any indication. Also, on the Intel side I know several people that would have bought a CFL chip if Intel allowed them on Z170/Z270 (including myself).
4). Asus still puts out bios updates for old boards. My 990FX Sabertooth got an update that allowed NVMe support via add-on card. There is no way you can make a blanket statement that manufacturers won't add bios updates for new CPU's.
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Just to pick up on a couple of points here:

1) I run an mITX system ;) But even so, not all new features can be fully integrated using add-in cards (witness some systems not wanting to boot from NVMe via add-in card, for example).
2) Retail licenses can be moved from one system to another. You don't need to buy a new Windows license every time you upgrade your board because Win10 is linked to your Microsoft Account. Earlier versions will activate following a major hardware change, you just need to jump through a couple of hoops (phone/online activation). If you bought an OEM license then you cheaped out.
 
ZiggyDeath said:
I think the biggest losers in this round are the people who bought 7000 series. If you had built a 6000 series from the start, you at got 2 years out of the system. But anyone who built a 7000 series saw their entire core system become obsolete in less than a year. At least anyone building a 8000 series today will benefit from a 2 core advantage.
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Essentially everyone that was jumping into 7x series were coming from sandybridge or the 3x series. For them it was a worthwhile bump over what they've had for the last 5+ years. There just hasn't been any real incentive to upgrade unless you were constrained to making money being equivalent to how fast you could render/crunch something on your CPU. Gaming has been more than adequate on Sandybridge, and still is. Pop in a 1080ti and you still crush. period. The SLI boost of newer chips is almost moot now since game support is nebulous. Most consumers upgrading their home pc just don't see any difference in daily tasks, (unless they were missing an SSD). While the roll of tech is deliciously intoxicating, most people are competent enough to know that a 5 or 10 percent bump doesn't really justify a system build from the ground up. I'm not talking about the halo [H] guys that buy pc hardware over baby formula/diapers (not sure if that's a compliment or insult honestly), but the general population that just might need that extra few hundred to settle up some bills.

IPC is still king in my eyes, but, if you want a LOT of cores, suddenly there are a LOT of options.

KazeoHin said:
Not that this has anything to do with Ryzen...

Intel always planned to release this product, and certainly didn't want to milk $400 quad cores for as long as they could...
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Intel's rushed 2 significant processes to market, the 79xx series and the 8xxx series to at least have a stop gap for AMD dumping so many cores and a good ipc performer. The 9xxx series is should also be viewed as fairly rushed as well, and after the fallout of the mobo issues surrounding 79xx I wouldn't be surprised if they're still navigating the waters with 9xxx as well. This has happened often throughout the life of both companies, having motherboards that 'mostly' support their cpus on launch, so I can really discredit either for it. Unfortunately if I bought a 500$ coffee machine and it didn't work I wouldn't be so patient as to returning or keep the piece of trash.
 
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oldmanbal said:
Essentially everyone that was jumping into 7x series were coming from sandybridge or the 3x series. For them it was a worthwhile bump over what they've had for the last 5+ years.
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Yeah they got a performance boost, and it was probably worth it.

But it doesn't change the fact that their platform lost a whole lot of value faster than another other platform. Which is why I said they got the short end of the stick for any system builder in the last year or so.
 
My Phenom II 955 is still plugging along. I think I got that 9 or 10 years ago...
 
8c/16t for the mainstream...I sure hope they switch back to Indium solder, otherwise these puppies will make Vesuvius seem like a snowstorm.
 
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ZiggyDeath said:
Yeah they got a performance boost, and it was probably worth it.

But it doesn't change the fact that their platform lost a whole lot of value faster than another other platform. Which is why I said they got the short end of the stick for any system builder in the last year or so.
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I agree completely. You're probably gonna have some slight upgrade options for ryzen across the board for both chipsets, probably going to see the most boost from anything the launch in the threadripper halo class. 24/48 sounds really sweet, although I'm sure people would be just as happy with 18/36.

I have my eyes set on a nice 32/64, which would probably require a new chipset based on the size (4 ryzen flagships). I know its possible but for like 2 grand, unless you are REALLY pushing massive threads nonstop and time/money is your absolute bottom line, I just don't see people going crazy for it when they can get 32 threads right now for 799$ to your front door.
 
N4CR said:
Some do I think. No option this time around though, 8 months later, new mobo for two more cores! What a scam.


I disagree. I went from P67 to Z68, it uses the same CPU.

I gained large disc support, USB3, usb sleep charging. Pretty happy with that as it's more than enough for what I need for the next while. When the CPU/GPU get slow enough to upgrade further, I'll do the whole lot. Waiting to see what AMD and Intel offer for 10nm though.
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...you upgraded your platform, lol...


And I went from P67 to Z68, only because Z68 came out literally right when I bought, after Intel realized that people who overclock might actually want to use their IGP's too. Which I did!

(also, IIRC, that was the only difference with Z68, which then cemented the 'Z' chipset as the top-of-the-line per generation...)
 
theplaidfad said:
I didn't when I went from Skylake to Kabylake.
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They are the same chip just clocked at different speeds with some minor Intel marketing thrown in to make you think it was an upgrade. Pretty much like Haswell and "Haswell refresh." At least Intel was more upfront about what the chip was back then instead of "7th Generation Core Processors!!!!!"
 
N4CR said:
Have fun buying new motherboards again ;)
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The fresh new motherboard is the best part! Besides, I always end up recouping 75-85% of the cost of the new motherboard when selling the old one.

Moving from a ROG Z77 board, i5-3570k and 16GB DDR3 -> Strix z270i, i7-7700k and 16GB DDR4 only ended up costing me $125 out of pocket.

Methinks the whole 'ermagerd new motherboard' is a tad overblown.
 
IdiotInCharge said:
...you upgraded your platform, lol...


And I went from P67 to Z68, only because Z68 came out literally right when I bought, after Intel realized that people who overclock might actually want to use their IGP's too. Which I did!

(also, IIRC, that was the only difference with Z68, which then cemented the 'Z' chipset as the top-of-the-line per generation...)
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I only did because the old one died. That said the few changes were useful for me running 8tb discs as my p67 didn't support that (P8P67).


odditory said:
Methinks the whole 'ermagerd new motherboard' is a tad overblown.
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The point is they could have easily connected the 20 different pins and allowed CPU upgrades but they didn't.
 
Delicieuxz said:
I'm still rocking i7 Sandy Bridge, and it's doing a good job. I've been looking at potential upgrades with each new gen, but just haven't seen anything fully warranting buying new hardware. 8 cores and 16 threads does, however, make me very interested in upgrading, and there's a good chance I'll make the move if Intel's next chips meet that target.
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I was on Nehalem before that and moved to Ryzen. It's definitely noticeable.
 
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