FuryX aging tremendously bad in 2017

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think I read somewhere that GPUs have some form of memory management which is why even the GTX 970 can stay relatively competitive despite its memory "limitations".
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think I read somewhere that GPUs have some form of memory management which is why even the GTX 970 can stay relatively competitive despite its memory "limitations".

it's not the GPU it's the driver.. they were "optimized" (in fact just limited) for the GTX 970 to avoid as much as possible to exceed above 3.5gb vRAM. same was the case with the old 660Ti and the asynchronous memory controller, games were "optimized" to use if possible less than 1.5GB vRAM.
 
I was expecting to see some of that tasty "faster than the 980Ti after some time" AMD Finewine for the Fury so LOL.


It looks like it trades blows. Was a little bit slower at launch so seems like there was a bit of wine, at least in those titles.
 
Still uses old 2015/2016 titles, the situation will be different if it used late 2017 games, see HardwareUnboxed review, besides GURU3D is known to recycle old numbers anyway.



*Shrug* Trying to prove something? Look at all the games and you will find it is not as you say, list all the games on the Guru3d link that where used. Also, I would trust a long known and trusted site like Guru3d before trusting a new guy like Hardware Unboxed. (The Hardware Unboxed guy is good but, he does not have an established rep like Guru3d does.)
 
*Shrug* Trying to prove something?
All you do is shrug, luckily I provided enough links from most known sites to know and prove HardwareUnboxed arrived at the right conclusion.

Look at all the games and you will find it is not as you say
As if Guru3D looked at all the games? He only looked at 3 titles from 2017, we are talking about 15~20 other titles! that 500%~700% more games in which FuryX chocks.
 
*Shrug* Trying to prove something? Look at all the games and you will find it is not as you say, list all the games on the Guru3d link that where used. Also, I would trust a long known and trusted site like Guru3d before trusting a new guy like Hardware Unboxed. (The Hardware Unboxed guy is good but, he does not have an established rep like Guru3d does.)

I'm not taking any sides here, but that's Steve Walton, the editor @ TechSpot, and he's far from being a new guy.
 
Still uses old 2015/2016 titles, the situation will be different if it used late 2017 games, see HardwareUnboxed review, besides GURU3D is known to recycle old numbers anyway.




Actually watched the entire video, really the video is a testament to how well the 980ti clocks and how competitive it is while overclocked (1080 performance). The fury x is right there with the 980ti in bfII. The fury gets destroyed in assassin's creed, which he states is horribly optimized. In destiny 2 the fury gets smashed, but it's a twimtb title. F1 it beats it by 10-15%, win for nv here. Very close in project cars 2. Close enough in quake (~10%) , middle earth (~4%), warhammer (~4%)

Wolfenstein I would argue is limited by fury's 4GB.

I don't really think this illustrates how poorly the fury has aged with exception of the lack of ram (which Steve Walton even states at the end of the video), it's really a testament to how much headroom the 980ti had.....card released on 2015 is competitive with $500 graphics cards in near 2018 when oc'ed.
 
Destiny 2 Fury X shouldn't do that poorly, Vega lines up with most other titles like it should in Destiny 2, but Fury X gets hurt badly. And I wouldn't go by these benchmarks anyways, best to look at 4k benchmarks, where the Fury X should have advantages over the 980ti, and when we look at those, Fury X's advantage from before, is gone in newer games.

Think I stated this when Fury X was released, vram amounts bad, geometry performance piss poor. It will not age well with those two factors........
 
With newer titles comes newer drivers which will never have any effort put into optimizing the Fury X. He doesn't even list which driver he uses for the Fury X and if it's anything since Vega has released it most certainly will not do the Fury any justice.
 
With newer titles comes newer drivers which will never have any effort put into optimizing the Fury X. He doesn't even list which driver he uses for the Fury X and if it's anything since Vega has released it most certainly will not do the Fury any justice.

Wait, what?

Why would a newer driver used with Fury be worse than an older driver? Are you accusing AMD of removing Fury optimizations from newer driver releases?
 
Wait, what?

Why would a newer driver used with Fury be worse than an older driver? Are you accusing AMD of removing Fury optimizations from newer driver releases?
No he means that with NEW releases the FuryX may not perform where expected because there may be less effort right now to optimize it with the same fervor as before, not stripping away anything as that requires effort AMD is not likely giving at this moment.
 
at least in games dont use exaggerated amount of polygons it does really well

http://gamegpu.com/action-/-fps-/-tps/kingdom-come-deliverance-test-gpu-cpu

I guess the Fury X is doing just fine with its 'measley' 4 GB of RAM almost 3 years later!

After all of this time, Wolfenstein II is the only game I've seen that actually from having 4 GB or less of vRAM (done by comparing the results of an RX 570 4GB vs and RX 570 8GB). All other games have been fine with using dynamic memory with less.
 
I guess the Fury X is doing just fine with its 'measley' 4 GB of RAM almost 3 years later!

After all of this time, Wolfenstein II is the only game I've seen that actually from having 4 GB or less of vRAM (done by comparing the results of an RX 570 4GB vs and RX 570 8GB). All other games have been fine with using dynamic memory with less.
the issue with R9 FURY hasnt been the RAM not at 1080p.
 
I guess the Fury X is doing just fine with its 'measley' 4 GB of RAM almost 3 years later!
In just one game, lets see how it handles the rest of 2018 lineup, it sure is showing it's age in most 2018 titles already"

Final Fantasy 15
980Ti is 100% faster than FuryX @1080p and 2160p
http://gamegpu.com/action-/-fps-/-tps/final-fantasy-xv-benchmark-test-gpu-cpu
https://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/3223-ffxv-gpu-benchmark-technical-graphics-analysis

Sea Of Thieves
980Ti is 20% faster than FuryX @1080p
http://gamegpu.com/mmorpg-/-онлайн-игры/sea-of-thieves-beta-test-gpu-cpu

World Of Tanks 2018
980Ti is 25% faster than FuryX @1080p, and 15% faster @1440p
http://gamegpu.com/mmorpg-/-онлайн-игры/world-of-tanks-encore-test-gpu-cpu

Subnautica
980Ti is 20% faster than FuryX @1080p and 1440p
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Subnautica-Spiel-55121/Specials/Benchmark-Test-Review-1248983/

Dragon Ball FighterZ
1070 is 28% faster than FuryX @8K (the only resolution that isn't CPU limited), even a GTX 1060 is equal to FuryX
https://overclock3d.net/reviews/software/dragon_ball_fighterz_pc_performance_review/11
 
In just one game, lets see how it handles the rest of 2018 lineup, it sure is showing it's age in most 2018 titles already"

Final Fantasy 15
980Ti is 100% faster than FuryX @1080p and 2160p
http://gamegpu.com/action-/-fps-/-tps/final-fantasy-xv-benchmark-test-gpu-cpu
https://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/3223-ffxv-gpu-benchmark-technical-graphics-analysis

Sea Of Thieves
980Ti is 20% faster than FuryX @1080p
http://gamegpu.com/mmorpg-/-онлайн-игры/sea-of-thieves-beta-test-gpu-cpu

World Of Tanks 2018
980Ti is 25% faster than FuryX @1080p, and 15% faster @1440p
http://gamegpu.com/mmorpg-/-онлайн-игры/world-of-tanks-encore-test-gpu-cpu

Subnautica
980Ti is 20% faster than FuryX @1080p and 1440p
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Subnautica-Spiel-55121/Specials/Benchmark-Test-Review-1248983/

Dragon Ball FighterZ
1070 is 28% faster than FuryX @8K (the only resolution that isn't CPU limited), even a GTX 1060 is equal to FuryX
https://overclock3d.net/reviews/software/dragon_ball_fighterz_pc_performance_review/11

QUICK, PUT OUT THE FIRE! :D LOL ;) If I still had my 2 x Furies, they would be doing just fine. However, the single Vega 56 is much better in non crossfire supported games, which are more and more as time goes on.
 
QUICK, PUT OUT THE FIRE! :D LOL ;) If I still had my 2 x Furies, they would be doing just fine. However, the single Vega 56 is much better in non crossfire supported games, which are more and more as time goes on.


Well ya can't really put out the fire of FuryX even with an AIO ;)
 
QUICK, PUT OUT THE FIRE! :D LOL ;) If I still had my 2 x Furies, they would be doing just fine. However, the single Vega 56 is much better in non crossfire supported games, which are more and more as time goes on.

Your definition of 'just fine' is that the AMD sticker hasn't peeled off yet :D
 
In just one game, lets see how it handles the rest of 2018 lineup, it sure is showing it's age in most 2018 titles already"

Final Fantasy 15
980Ti is 100% faster than FuryX @1080p and 2160p
http://gamegpu.com/action-/-fps-/-tps/final-fantasy-xv-benchmark-test-gpu-cpu
https://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/3223-ffxv-gpu-benchmark-technical-graphics-analysis

Sea Of Thieves
980Ti is 20% faster than FuryX @1080p
http://gamegpu.com/mmorpg-/-онлайн-игры/sea-of-thieves-beta-test-gpu-cpu

World Of Tanks 2018
980Ti is 25% faster than FuryX @1080p, and 15% faster @1440p
http://gamegpu.com/mmorpg-/-онлайн-игры/world-of-tanks-encore-test-gpu-cpu

Subnautica
980Ti is 20% faster than FuryX @1080p and 1440p
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Subnautica-Spiel-55121/Specials/Benchmark-Test-Review-1248983/

Dragon Ball FighterZ
1070 is 28% faster than FuryX @8K (the only resolution that isn't CPU limited), even a GTX 1060 is equal to FuryX
https://overclock3d.net/reviews/software/dragon_ball_fighterz_pc_performance_review/11
impressive you got to list most of these favor Nvidia, but not only that even some have biased because are using UE4 or have poor optimization(WoT?)
 
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impressive you got to list most of these favor Nvidia, but not only that even some have biased already because are using UE4 or poor optimization(WoT?)

What's more impressive is that you didn't provide valid evidence to counter his point, so it stands, despite your flailing ;)
 
What's more impressive is that you didn't provide valid evidence to counter his point, so it stands, despite your flailing ;)
if the game which are being tested were unbiased i would say that he is right but no, from root its comparison has flaws so isnt worth discussing. there are better examples which could prove this, i think the comparison is among AMD GPUs from similar generation or AMD vs Nvidia, specially when one lacks of proper optimization
 
if the game which are being tested were unbiased i would say that he is right but no, from root its comparison has flaws so isnt worth discussing. there are better examples which could prove this, i think the comparison is among AMD GPUs from similar generation or AMD vs Nvidia, specially when one lacks of proper optimization

So you're not going to substantiate your point, and we're expected to take your word for it?

This works as an admission that you are wrong. Thanks!
 
if the game which are being tested were unbiased i would say that he is right but no, from root its comparison has flaws so isnt worth discussing. there are better examples which could prove this, i think the comparison is among AMD GPUs from similar generation or AMD vs Nvidia, specially when one lacks of proper optimization


Look in many games we have seen the rx580 8 gb keep up with the FuryX, and it actually happens more often with AMD sponsored titles! Yeah geometry performance and memory amounts hold back the Fury X its only going to get worse as time goes on with newer titles.

For what its worth, Fury X was a decent card when it was released, power consumption withstanding (if factoring that in, it really was a waste card), it was never ment to go against newer cards. Its just like any other card, as new games come out their weaknesses are shown, lack of optimization has nothing to do with it. Its like looking at Keplar now, it has some weaknesses against 2x0 series. Namely over all compute performance and vram amounts compared to its competition.

980ti has the memory and geometry capabilities to make it a bit more worth while but even that is going to have issues..... It will slow down drastically as shader needs increase with newer games when that happens its all going to equalize at the end.

This is why there is no such thing as "future" proof on any hardware.
 
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Look in many games we have seen the rx580 8 gb keep up with the FuryX, and it actually happens more often with AMD sponsored titles! Yeah geometry performance and memory amounts hold back the Fury X its only going to get worse as time goes on with newer titles.

For what its worth, Fury X was a decent card when it was released, power consumption withstanding (if factoring that in, it really was a waste card), it was never ment to go against newer cards. Its just like any other card, as new games come out their weaknesses are shown, lack of optimization has nothing to do with it. Its like looking at Keplar now, it has some weaknesses against 2x0 series. Namely over all compute performance and vram amounts compared to its competition.

980ti has the memory and geometry capabilities to make it a bit more worth while but even that is going to have issues..... It will slow down drastically as shader needs increase with newer games when that happens its all going to equalize at the end.

This is why there is no such thing as "future" proof on any hardware.
I agree, FuryX is a lot worse in tessellation/Geometry in general but most of the games quoted above have listed AMD GPUs worse than Nvidia this clearly wont show the true problem since it is also crippling AMD GPU capabilities

but the poor Fury(x)/Nano performance could be avoided if games (engines) were programmed similarly to Kingdom Come which have almost no impact in GCN architecture while Nvidia shows its potential
 
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impressive you got to list most of these favor Nvidia, but not only that even some have biased because are using UE4 or have poor optimization(WoT?)
Most games in the past few years favor NVIDIA, consumers buy games, they don't stop and consider biased games from unbiased games. Also there is no such thing as a biased game. You buy a product and expect it to perform well under all conditions. NVIDIA just happens to be that solution. That's why they remain superior.

In the end I only listed the games released so far in 2018, and in all of them the 980Ti stomp all over the FuryX by a huge margin.

but the poor Fury(x)/Nano performance could be avoided if games were programmed similarly to Kingdom Come which have almost no impact in GCN architecture while Nvidia still shows its potential
Not all games are created equally, different games will stress different architectural traits. Vega for example falls flat on it's face in Kingdom Come. Should all games be like it?

Fury X continued to underperformed in a massive amount of games, even those sponsored by AMD (like Wolfenstein 2).
 
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Most games in the past few years favor NVIDIA, consumers buy games, they don't stop and consider biased games from unbiased games. Also there is no such thing as a biased game. You buy a product and expect it to perform well under all conditions. NVIDIA just happens to be that solution. That's why they remain superior.

In the end I only listed the games released so far in 2018, and in all of them the 980Ti stomp all over the FuryX by a huge margin.

It's like you are not even trying. Picking a single moment out of entire event and then claiming victory does not mean what you think it means. In fact, if you read the post above yours, you would have fully understood what PontiacGTX means, that is, if you wanted too.
 
It's like you are not even trying. Picking a single moment out of entire event and then claiming victory does not mean what you think it means. In fact, if you read the post above yours, you would have fully understood what PontiacGTX means, that is, if you wanted too.

PontiacGTX is talking out of his ass. That we understand.
 
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