So what is the cheapest upgrade over my 2500K atm?

spaceman said:
P a 4770K bnib I can probably get you a good price on. He is a bit crazy but honest lol. .
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I might take you up, but of course then I'd need a z68 plus the Windows tax. I remember playing this game scrounging for a q9550 and matching ram when upgrading an e8400 s775 rig.
 
spaceman said:
Completely bewildered atm as to what build would be worth doing in the coming months. I know my 2500K is at EOL but have no idea what to get for gaming. I have a 980 and a BenQ 144hz 1080P btw. Those min frames are killing me in BF1 and pubg.
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are you overclocking?
 
Same boat. Feels wrong to spend so much on a 3770k when its half the price of a brand new 8700k, but after you add DDR4 and a mobo, the 3770k looks a lot more manageable. Guess I can just re-sell it once I'm done with it.

Where's the best place to get a good deal on a 3770k, besides ebay?
 
I got one here. Try posting a WTB. Ebay is always a crapshoot. Should be bw $140-180 unless you find a generous soul. I paid $170.

Yeah the added cost of the mobo + ram turned me off. Plus it works fine. Min fps even in 64 man bf1 is 80.

I oced mine to 4.3 btw. No voltage adjustments. It is very stable.
 
That said, Pubg is an Arma game, which likes fast ram for best minimum fps. techreport did a nice piece on it . A quick glance at ebay lists 3770k's around 200 b.i.n., the auctions a bit lower. 7600k at MC are 180 now, plus another 30 off for mobo.
 
Except it is still the 7600 plus the mobo plus the ram vs just the 3770. Performance increase isn't worth it yet for me at least.
 
I bet that i3 8350k will be the new Celeron 200A.
Cheap and fast.
Probably a slight improvement over i7 4790k.
@ 60% less.
 
jamesv said:
I bet that i3 8350k will be the new Celeron 200A.
Cheap and fast.
Probably a slight improvement over i7 4790k.
@ 60% less.
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The lack of hyperthreading says you're wrong, in those cases you'd need an i7 in the first place. But say an i5 4690k instead, and you're probably in the right ballpark.
 
Plus he will have to spend a fortune on new DDR4. A 2600k, 2700k or 3770k would be an awesome upgrade.

If they want people to continue buying PC hardware in the future, AMD and INTEL would be wise to hold off using DDR5 for some time.
Honestly, what will DDR5 bring to the table? 5333 Mhz at CAS 27? Yippie!
 
Ruiner said:
That said, Pubg is an Arma game, which likes fast ram for best minimum fps. techreport did a nice piece on it . A quick glance at ebay lists 3770k's around 200 b.i.n., the auctions a bit lower. 7600k at MC are 180 now, plus another 30 off for mobo.
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I get over 100fps sustained in PUBG but it took a $3k rig to get it. Retarded. All they have to do is optimize the damn game a little teeny weeny bit.
 
Pandur said:
The lack of hyperthreading says you're wrong, in those cases you'd need an i7 in the first place. But say an i5 4690k instead, and you're probably in the right ballpark.
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Hyperthreading is turned off on Apps I use.
Fake cores don’t help me.
If there were noticeable IPC improvements using HT I’d welcome it.

I base my needs on polyphony.
SSDs did more for me than another new chipset/CPU combo.
Only thing that works for me is faster execution from reduced instructions.
My 3 x networked H97/4790ks cost me 3500 USD.
Smokes my buddy’s 6000 dollar 128GB DDR4 Octo Core Syrup maker...
 
spaceman said:
Except it is still the 7600 plus the mobo plus the ram vs just the 3770. Performance increase isn't worth it yet for me at least.
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Not disagreeing, just commenting on how the highest tier cpu of any given platform, in this case 4 generations old, can almost outprice a lower tier recent piece. Madness.
 
jamesv said:
Hyperthreading is turned off on Apps I use.
Fake cores don’t help me.
If there were noticeable IPC improvements using HT I’d welcome it.
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Your understanding of how hyperthreading is constructed and works is rather lacking.

Hyperthreading cores aren't just fake cores. If you want to dumb it down; think of them as conjoined twin cores that share most of the surrounding infrastructure, like scheduler, cache and registers. So 2 HT cores share many parts but they also increase multithreaded performance by alot, in many use cases, since the compute parts are in fact duplicated. So unless you have one thread eating all the cache and all the registers, you will see a performance increase in most os workloads.

And just because the app won't use hyperthreading, doesn't mean the os won't happily use the "fake" cores for background threads and stuff. When it is done booting, a modern Windows version will have spawned in the ballpark of 1000 "active" threads. Guess which cores these threads swap in and out of several times a second!? Or did you mean that you forcibly disable hyperthreading? Because that's yeah... Do you drive your car with the parking brake half on too?
 
spaceman said:
I got one here. Try posting a WTB. Ebay is always a crapshoot. Should be bw $140-180 unless you find a generous soul. I paid $170.

Yeah the added cost of the mobo + ram turned me off. Plus it works fine. Min fps even in 64 man bf1 is 80.

I oced mine to 4.3 btw. No voltage adjustments. It is very stable.
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btw, what were your minimum frames with the i5? What's your ram clocked at?
 
Pandur said:
Your understanding of how hyperthreading is constructed and works is rather lacking.

Hyperthreading cores aren't just fake cores. If you want to dumb it down; think of them as conjoined twin cores that share most of the surrounding infrastructure, like scheduler, cache and registers. So 2 HT cores share many parts but they also increase multithreaded performance by alot, in many use cases, since the compute parts are in fact duplicated. So unless you have one thread eating all the cache and all the registers, you will see a performance increase in most os workloads.

And just because the app won't use hyperthreading, doesn't mean the os won't happily use the "fake" cores for background threads and stuff. When it is done booting, a modern Windows version will have spawned in the ballpark of 1000 "active" threads. Guess which cores these threads swap in and out of several times a second!? Or did you mean that you forcibly disable hyperthreading? Because that's yeah... Do you drive your car with the parking brake half on too?
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I disable background services, only need a few instructions to run offline RISC hardware.
Our needs differ.
I use a far smaller cache for this particular routine so HT is completely unnecessary.
Fastest way from point A to B is a straight line.

However on a different set up I disable the iGPU on an i7 5775C so the 128MB L4 cache is available for the CPU and Multithreaded apps benefit.
Developers that write my routines explain why Turbo, HT and other instructions are unnecessary.
If such instructions benefit your routines I’m sure you take advantage of them.

If I’m lacking anything it’s more custom operating systems.
Unfortunately Int€£ & Micro$oft rely on planned obsolescence so I’m lucky I can avoid the “help” they provide for the time being.

Can you imagine what FPS rates you can achieve if game developers wrote their own routines and OS?
 
Ruiner said:
btw, what were your minimum frames with the i5? What's your ram clocked at?
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FPS would TANK down to the 30s and 40s. Even freezing at times in BF1. Got me killed a lot.
All my settings in bios are stock except I turned the clock up on the cpu to 4.3.

Patriot viper 4X4gb
  • DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
  • Timing 9-9-9-24
  • CAS Latency 9
 
That was when ADAT Hardware recorders first used 1s and 0s to record audio.
VCR Tape was read diagonally instead of vertically like Analog Tape.
Glorious times indeed.
Managed to stay away from MACs and PCs until 2005 when I struggled with my first email....
Now I drag around a 1U DSP Rack to replace a 116 channel mixer and racks of hardware FX.
A few lines of code from Win 7 still works.
I mourned being forced from Windows XP to 7.
Thankfully my hardware samplers were replaced with x64 and no crappy 3GB PAE Switch.
Now I load 28GBs of audio buffer targets for streaming SSDs.

If I had this gear in '93 I couldve been a contendah'....
 
MaZa said:
As a quick cheap bandaid you could hunt down a used i7 2600k or ivy bridge equivalent. It's not the horsepower that is keeping an overclocked 2500k down (not completely anyway), it's the lack of treads. 4 treads is just getting old.
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Although I generally tend to agree, I think BF1's limitation is that it is IPC sensitive, not the lack of cores. There's no reason why a 2500K @ 4.5ghz should lose to a 3570K, but it does. Could also be mem bandwidth.

Also, if the goal is longevity, and more threads, it's hard to overlook the 8700 non-K thrown into the lot. The clock speed is already quite high, and generally more aggressive than the 8600K, while maintaining HT.
 
That would require a $120 motherboard, $180 of ddr4, and a hard to find cpu. Not in the spirit of the title. A 4/8 SB or IVB would do wonders for games without spending alot
 
Wonder how long before the Z270 becomes discontinued.
Just read how Z170 is now discontinued.
Way too many chips in a short time frame to find specific motherboards for server or workstation variants.

Int€£ is thankful for your support..
 
Nabbed a 3770k with a P8Z77-V, 32gb DDR3, H80 cooler and 750w PSU for $300 :cautious:

Will tide me over till the i7 9700k is out.
 
Thats a good idea since Cannonlake is actually a new design.
Intels already discontinued 6000, so 7000/8000 won’t even see enterprise boards.

I’m looking to the i3 Quad 9000s and possibly a 97000 8 Core for multicore compliant appps.
Praying Intel has better IPC since 4790k.
Sure wish AMD w/ Vega shows up.
CES will be fun again.
Last year was fantastic after 7 years of so-so tech.
2009 was great because of i7s, SSDs and Lady GaGa’s mating ritual...
 
I was recently in the same boat - had a 2500k @ 4.4 and was starting to feel the pinch, so i bought both a 2600k and a bundle with 2700k - and tested which cpu worked out best (the 2600k was a dud, sold for same as i paid).
the 2700k boots at 5ghz, and i have it stable at 4.7 now for daily driver - I sold the bundle back on with the 2500k in, which ment the upgrade only cost me like £30

For the other hardware you have, i wouldnt bother looking any further than a 2600/2700 - with that 980 its just not worth it.

Mine runs bf1 amazingly, pubg is another story but its due to the fact its an utter unoptimized mess.. I figured if this can do one, maybe two more generactions i may be able to see a tangible increase - the 10-20% increase you get in most stuff at the moment for the £1000 investment in Mobo, ram and cpu is simply not worth it.
 
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