Ajit Pai and the FCC Want It to Be Legal for Comcast to Block BitTorrent

And let me add to this...

Where the hell does the Constitution and the Bill of Rights give the FCC the power to legislate?

Based on that statement alone Net Neutrality needs to be eliminated and an appropriate measure needs to be decided upon and written and voted into law in our legally constructed and authrorized 535 member house of representatives.

I guess they dont teach this in school anymore to all these youngsters on here touting for FCC to pass more and more legislation they have zero authorization to pass..


You folks see... by making the Internet a utility like cable TV or Radio you just gave a non legislative alphabet agency the power of dictatorship like Net Neutrality did.

Forget about that though... it hurts too many peoples feelings so law doesnt matter in our once was republic now that were a full fledged democracy.

Who here thinks we should have a Federal Speech Commission after making free speech a utility to regulate?

Net Neutrality is a cancer bomb waiting for exploitation at a later date. We need true neutrality but not the way it was implemented. Eliminate the internet as a public utility and congress must pass a legit bill. The FCC and no other agency needs this kind of power.

Power not reserved to them by the states and our constitution.
 
tangoseal said:
I wished you guys knew the Truth behind net neutrality. Anyone can place a Ferrarri logo on a box of shit but we all know its a box of shit. But call a box of shit net neutrality and the sheeple will believe anything a power politician will tell them it is. Im so sick of this government with its lies and propaganda to steal our liberty to gain control.

NNeutrality was an evil package and unless rewritten with a noble pen its just another scandal bill. Do follow the money and the authors people.. please think for yourself. Stop buying the internet alarmists bullshit.

Just like Earth was supposed to melt from global warming hundreds of times now over the last 30 yrs. Al gore told us we HAVE to cut our carbon while he tells us fossil fuel is evil after hopping all around the planet in his carbon vomiting private leerjet fleet and just one of his 20+ houses has a $15,000 a month power bill. Or Matt Damon telling us how evil we are for driving cars yet uses his private plane to fly to meetings he demands we should use commercial flights to get too. Or how... Rham Emanuel tells us to never let a crisis go to waste.

Of course Net Neutrality MUST be allowed to stay... god forbid the drafters of such a bill loses thier regulatory power over a public utility.

Net neutrality (as it is written) is planting a seed for later extortion and infringment of our rights.

I admit they damn sure candy coated this thing... I give them that. But even a cyanide capsule coated in delicious chocolate is just as lethal as if it were not coated.
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Kids, this is what happens when buy lead pills from Alex Jones's web site to stop the evil government reading your mind via radio waves.

On a secondary point, just because some people are hypocrites doesn't suddenly make all the science supporting global warming invalid. Denying that humans are major factor in climate change and that we should do something to reduce our energy usage via our finite (effectively) fossil fuel reserves is borderline 'flat earth' level delusion now. The sensible debate is now about how far to go with it and via what methods.
 
the truth behind net neutrality eh.

something like all data is equal no matter who it comes from?

cause that is what it is.

but i'm sure verizon suing the fcc to dispute that point was a good thing.,
 
Why is it now the FCC's job to regulate anticompetitive business practices? Wouldn't it be better to more strongly enforce antitrust laws across the spectrum rather than to pick on just the ISPs?
 
gusphase said:
Why is it now the FCC's job to regulate anticompetitive business practices? Wouldn't it be better to more strongly enforce antitrust laws across the spectrum rather than to pick on just the ISPs?
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The FCC has no constitutional power to regulate period. They only have, as you said it, power to enforce.
 
tangoseal said:
And let me add to this...

Where the hell does the Constitution and the Bill of Rights give the FCC the power to legislate?

Based on that statement alone Net Neutrality needs to be eliminated and an appropriate measure needs to be decided upon and written and voted into law in our legally constructed and authrorized 535 member house of representatives.

I guess they dont teach this in school anymore to all these youngsters on here touting for FCC to pass more and more legislation they have zero authorization to pass..


You folks see... by making the Internet a utility like cable TV or Radio you just gave a non legislative alphabet agency the power of dictatorship like Net Neutrality did.

Forget about that though... it hurts too many peoples feelings so law doesnt matter in our once was republic now that were a full fledged democracy.

Who here thinks we should have a Federal Speech Commission after making free speech a utility to regulate?

Net Neutrality is a cancer bomb waiting for exploitation at a later date. We need true neutrality but not the way it was implemented. Eliminate the internet as a public utility and congress must pass a legit bill. The FCC and no other agency needs this kind of power.

Power not reserved to them by the states and our constitution.
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You are full of crap. If anyone was going to exploit it then they would already start doing it. NN has put a stop to it so that we aren't like Portugal and other countries that are proving what our ISPs will do with out. You are spouting a bunch of FUD with out substance. Tell us what is this big exploit that is going to come from NN and stop spouting this isn't the way our government is supposed to be run.
 
Pieter3dnow said:
That is trivial, it comes down to voting for the wrong presidential candidate and this was his mandate from the begging. This person is not the cause, that one is in the White house or golf course ...

The FCC leadership will keep pushing the agenda of screwing as much consumers as they can without prejudice. .
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If you like your internet, you can keep it.
Sound familiar to another president?
 
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and by no way do I think the previous administration were angels, but they did do a lot of good.
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And I have some ocean front land for sale in Idaho.

While I have some problems with the current administration, that are a huge improvement over all the damage caused by the last one.
 
Unoid said:
If you like your internet, you can keep it.
Sound familiar to another president?
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Or to the literally hundreds of suicides that mysteriously had double gun shots to the head or self drowned in thier cars off bridges whom said anything negative about her highness Hitlery. Hrmm like DNC leak Seth Rich ... ruled a robbery but notjing was taken and he had a precision military style double tap to the brain cage.

But that just triggered someone on here. Im outta the convo now.
 
vegeta535 said:
Be real. It is not there to download legal things. 95% of traffic going through torrents is copy righted stuff.
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I only use Bittorrent for downloading Linux ISO's, downloading pirated material via Bittorrent is so mid 2000's...
 
I'm glad I'm not in America, but at the same time. Sjit you guys allow eventually creep over here in one way or another.
Those who think public uproar will stop commercial entities from doing bad things, think again, and again, and again. You put up with too much shit already in the states. The big business government has got you all thinking any regulation is bad. But big business NEED to be regulated, because it's natural instinct is to monopolize, and the wring money out of the less fortunate. And to keep anyone from gaining ground economically. All wealth of any kind has to keep creeping upward. For what? No human being really knows. It's just how corporations grinds their wheels, at least as endlessly increasing profits is the only way to keep stock-prices making a few "people" even wealthier. Nothing worth anything will ever trickle down. Even companies that make less PROFIT than last year is considered losing in that world. Still making huge profits, just less than last year. That is a sick world, and how is that system ever supposed to be able to kick back profits into more employed and to increase salaries for those at the bottom?

Ok, I got a bit out on a tangent on that rant, but it is at the heart of all this. They want to control the internet just as they regulate classic media to control the newsflow that people get the "newish" way of the internet. That is the ultimate goal. Most are looking at if they will be able to stream movies or bittorrent. Don't worry. They will probably not touch that for a while. All efforts are going to go to streamline online news to big corps interests. What ever makes you not notice regulation of newsflow and information will stay untouched until they feel safe.

But hey! I might be way off wrong. But why take the chance? We all know an equal opportunity internet is the best thing for most people. When China and other totalitarian governments regulate the internet you all shake your heads knowing exactly what those government wants to do. But when Big Corp in America wants to do essentially the same, knowing Big Corps power, there seems to be a very strange resistance to understand what that likely is all about. To me, this seems very strange.

Just save Net Neutrality. Shout now, not when Big Corp shuts down your favorite information sources, it can not be bad to keep net neutrality.
 
trparky said:
Oh Tiberian, that's bullshit and you know it! That's the biggest bunch of FUD I've ever seen and I've seen a lot of FUD. There's no damn way that would happen and you know it, there would be a revolt on the Internet like you wouldn't believe if that really came to pass.
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It already is Portugal/Spain, next stop US of A.

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I don't trust the government to do anything right, they have proven time and time again that they are not to be trusted. We, The People, need to take these issues into our own hands and stop depending upon the government to do everything for us.
 
BulletDust said:
What a load of garbage!

Mobile plan or not, that tweet is still representing a plan where people are forced to pay more for access to certain content. I know in my country there's no mobile plans deliberately restricting content like that!
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Did we strike a sore spot? I know you don't like the article or what it has to say. It does a good job of getting through the whole "We'll be Portugal without NN!" baloney and the ignorant tweet that got it started.
 
Riptide_NVN said:
Did we strike a sore spot? I know you don't like the article or what it has to say. It does a good job of getting through the whole "We'll be Portugal without NN!" baloney and the ignorant tweet that got it started.
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I couldn't care less, I just find it interesting how Americans are complaining about being screwed by the capitalist society they created.
 
I think it was a mistake for Pai to have anything to do with the FCC.

Twisted Kidney said:
I get that tribalism and social engineering dictate that whatever the other team did must be terrible because they're the other team, but wow. Just. Wow.

There'd be no rebellion. Americans worship politicians as gods, and the more they say they hate politicians the harder they pray to them. I don't give a fuck what team you vote for, if your team's current messiah tells the average Joe to eat a pile of shit they're doing it for the movement, they doing it for the team. Plus they're gonna swear that pile of shit is chocolate cake.
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All this American hate is going to make this guy have a heart attack sooner or later. Part in bold is hilarious. Not everything on reddit is true! :ROFLMAO:
 
trparky said:
The Internet is much more mainstream than it was back then, regular people use and depend upon it far more so than they did back then. If they try that kind of shit today and the average person suddenly finds that they need to pay more to see their cat videos there's going to be holy hell raised.
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Yeah, pitchforks & torches.
 
vegeta535 said:
Be real. It is not there to download legal things. 95% of traffic going through torrents is copy righted stuff.
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And? USPS is used for ilegal things, isn't it?

gusphase said:
The rest majority of the circumstances that were described in that list involve anti competitive behavior, and we already have laws for that. We don't need NN so much as we need anti trust laws enforced. Google and Facebook prefer NN, because it allows them to continue THEIR shenanigans. Most of you are falling for their propaganda. NN want enshrined in law in the USA and the EU until 2015, and no company ever came out with cable like access plans like people keep bullshitting here.
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Truth is that the USA is last when talking about western countries in regards to internet speed. There is a reason for that.

Xaeos said:
Don't forget how most of these companies and their puppets in government - including Pai himself - support "Mandatory Arbitration Clauses" - which means that by using X service you give up your right to sue or go through the court system as beleaguered and unaffordable as it is, and instead be subject to arbitration which is (for a variety of reasons) tips the scale way, way towards big business. So even those who have the time/money to sue by themselves or get into a class-action suit, are stripped of that right because every ISP will have it in their TOS that if you were their client, you agree to mandatory arbitration!
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Still don't understand how such abusive clauses are valid at all.

velusip said:
While true, TLS is still not really versatile enough compared to what we could be doing with swarming protocols. And besides, who is to say they won't block or throttle connections that aren't made to their partner ACLs? "Is that a consumer-consumer TLS connection? Fucking throttled, lol!"

Encrypted swarming protocols are immensely useful and prolific beyond merely bittorrent. Popular apps and some groundbreaking tech depend on them. Having to _register_ your protocol with every carrier conglomerate, in a kind of forced partnership, to ensure they don't throttle you is an absolute shitstorm. It allows carriers to nickel and dime anyone who wishes to be on the internet who are not conforming to their narrow minded model of what the internet should be, and effectively control the future of these kinds of technologies -- recursively draining any interest in creative use of DTN or DHT type protocols. While ISPs can monitor their network in any way they wish (and contact customers with concersn), allowing them to discriminate and curb traffic type puts a hamper on technological progression in a growing field.

That's not the core of the problem: the discimination of protocols and deep packet inspection is a component of comprehensive control of a resource. e.g. _monopoly_ level control.

Bear with me on this one: The marketing of data services is grossly oversold compared to what a carrier can provide, and that's intentional. Reinvestment in infrastructure reduces short term profits and places artificial limits which assist in rationalizing overage fees, which accounts for nearly 10% of all carrier revenue in North America (which likely yields a much higher than 10% profit margin). Case in point, bittorrent activity was once a major problem for carriers due to connection count saturation (It wasn't an issue with total throughput, but merely signalling rate limitations). While I believe we're past those dark days of ISP equipment, it's still immensely popular for carriers to use inadequate hardware and fail to reinvest in their own infrastructure because of the legality of introducing an incredibly cheap and profitable revenue stream: overage. So why did I bring this up? Well, carriers are willing to invest in their network for the purpose of monitoring traffic. Again, they would rather invest in robust, limitation-enforcing technologies than making their service better and more attractive. Rather than actually grow their industry -- which would cause percent-based profit margins to naturally ladder into more money -- they would rent-seek and protect what little they have from any potential for competition. That's literally anti-capitalism.

This Ajit guy is clearly in support of rent-seeking tactics -- which is a fundamental enemy of the state and cripples a nations GDP. For me, this Battle for the Web has little to do with the web. It seems to me that there is some serious federal level corruption that _will_ eat away at Americas technological progression and profits in the long term.
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Yeah, but this is caused due to lack of competition.

The USA is the western country with the worst internet by far. It is almost hilarious if you ask me. Here I'm sitting, in a 100k population island in the Mediterranean sea from a PIGS country with a 300/300 unlimited fiber connection for 50€ + VAT. Funny thing is that I have 2 fiber providers to choose from, and around 5 if I want DSL.
 
Comparing the amount of illegal traffic carried by the USPS to BitTorrent over the internet. This is a joke yes?
 
Relying on Congress to do anything to support Net Neutrality is a non-starter, telcos give too much money to politicians and the issue itself, does not show up on radar as a important issue worth swaying voters. Your best bet is through the FCC or the courts, relying on a Democrat president to facilitate the executive branch changes needed.

Part of the issue if I remember correctly, classifying traffic as all the same in NN helps ISPs avoid being harassed by rightholders attempting to block the spread of pirated content. Losing that defense also opens up avenues for ISPs to be forced or to enthusiastically (Comcast would sure love to do that huh?) suppress pirates and peer to peer sharing.

Now, I like the arguments about promoting market competition between telcos but frankly, that competition will not reappear, whether its government regulations or the simple fact that the market is no longer able to facilitate new competitors. Its futile to point at ideological defenses when the reality is that once NN is repealed, the door is open wide for telcos to start prioritizing unequal access to content.

Honestly, I dont even see the big deal in slapping the telcos with NN. Is requiring transparency, and making all content the "same" that big a deal for you to oppose? (NN DOES NOT mean disregarding data limits and restrictions, only that all content is regulated the same. If you get slowed down at a certain limit, ALL content gets slowed down. Perfectly valid, and NN does not disturb that, nor other measures to maintain traffic limits.) Anyone think they will magically fail with NN in place? Hell, why do you people keep supporting AT&T and Comcast? Bastards the whole lot of them. They can get fucked over by NN for all I care. (Won't they just transfer the costs down to the consumer? They do that already for no reason than profit! Which is fine, capitalism, except I dont give a shit about NN "preventing competition" lying bastards)
 
trparky said:
I don't trust the government to do anything right, they have proven time and time again that they are not to be trusted. We, The People, need to take these issues into our own hands and stop depending upon the government to do everything for us.
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And in a fully free market we'd be fucked even more. Not only would we still have no options but most likely there would only be one or two ISPs the exist in the entire country and they would also own all forms of communication including phone lines and the TV networks. The reality is there needs to be some level of government oversight to keep markets in check because it could be a whole hell of a lot worse. The government you so want out of the way is trying to prevent ATT and Time Warner from merging. This is a very good thing.
 
Every argument / justification that comes out of Ajit Pai's mouth are "carefully" constructed lies and fallacy's written by telecom / ISP lobbyists. He and the other two republicans on the panel have golden parachute's (the kind that set you up for a life of privilege & comfort) compliments of Verizon, Comcast, etc the moment they leave their job's at the FCC. These men have no principles and know full well the wide reaching consequences of voting to repeal Net Neutrality. Despite massive outcry and weak talking point justifications that crumble the moment you apply facts and critical thinking, these three men have made their peace with selling us out collectively for their own selfish gains.

The Internet is arguably the single greatest empowering technology of the 20th century and three appointed career corporate yes men are about to hands the keys to the internet over to Multinational Corporations with almost unchecked power (to do whatever the hell they want at our expense). The FTC which is "suppose" to regulate in a post Net Neutrality world has openly admitted they have NO authority to stop the bad behavior's of ISP & Media giants. I'm skeptical even a showing of tens of thousands roaring in opposition outside of the FCC will stop this from going through. We had better hope the courts strike down Ajit Pai and the telecom's scheme to obscenely profit & reshape the internet in their image for the benefit of a tiny few.

In closing, come Monday call your state Representatives in DC and urge them to draft legislation to stop this (see link below). Call the FCC as well, their phones should be ringing off the hook night and day with people calling to object and be heard. I suspect it will take immense public pressure and outcry to stop this madness for another few years when they (Telecom, ISP, Media Giants) will try again to steal & reshape the internet in to cable 2.0 once again.

https://www.battleforthenet.com/
 
Mut1ny said:
Because BitTorrent can't be used for legit things. I use it all the time to download shit legally.

Also, can we get an investigation going on this guy or something? Why is he being allowed to do any of this? It's clear there are outside influences in play here.

This is CLEARLY about the ISP's and money and not about the American people or their benefit.

I just don't get it, seems so screwy like I'm in some Bizarro land.
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It's not Bizarro land, it's corruption to the level of "fuck you". That level is the ballsy level, where you don't care if they know you're corrupt because you know they can't do anything about it.
 
Many games use this now as well, Blizzard, wargaming and numerous others use the protocol, so is comcast going to pay for these places to get hosting now
 
This is exactly how this whole thing started.

the fcc was sued by verizon for telling them they couldn't block access to certain web services.

now 6 years later we've come3 full circle and the fcc says it's ok for them too.

and you people are arguing about politics.

this is not a left v right issue everyone is going to get fucked hard by this.

get over your affiliations and stop them.
 
trparky said:
Sure, and you know what happened... people rose up, they screamed. And that was a small event. If something like what so many people think will happen actually happened there would be a revolt so damn huge that it would spill out into the real world.
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Farting in a crowded room would cause more effect. The majority of most users are not power users, as long as their social media access is left undisturbed, it's all cool.
 
Master_shake_ said:
This is exactly how this whole thing started.

the fcc was sued by verizon for telling them they couldn't block access to certain web services.

now 6 years later we've come3 full circle and the fcc says it's ok for them too.

and you people are arguing about politics.

this is not a left v right issue everyone is going to get fucked hard by this.

get over your affiliations and stop them.
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If you think that most people are concerned about this, I believe you're wrong. Right now healthcare, immigration, Nort Korea, tax reform are more important than anything else. And from what has been happening there appears to be a higher priority for undoing what the previous administration has done, than to be concerned about net neutrality.
 
trparky said:
The Internet is much more mainstream than it was back then, regular people use and depend upon it far more so than they did back then. If they try that kind of shit today and the average person suddenly finds that they need to pay more to see their cat videos there's going to be holy hell raised.
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And what will they do about it? Where I live there are two options, my current ISP and satellite. And my ISP, as well as you, know that satellite isn't a viable option.
 
Spidey329 said:
It's not Bizarro land, it's corruption to the level of "fuck you". That level is the ballsy level, where you don't care if they know you're corrupt because you know they can't do anything about it.
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Yeah, but spelled in all caps.
If appointing shills to offices that they were highly critical about, and showed interest to dismantle said offices, does not reveal the sad state of affairs, I don't know what does.
 
tangoseal said:
how so?

Facts please.... no liberal tears.
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I think it is laughably obvious to most rational thinking people. I think the real question here is to you as a Trump supporter, when did you start caring about facts? Do I really need to list all the lies you dear leader has told? Because we will be here for awhile.
 
tangoseal said:
And let me add to this...

Where the hell does the Constitution and the Bill of Rights give the FCC the power to legislate?

Based on that statement alone Net Neutrality needs to be eliminated and an appropriate measure needs to be decided upon and written and voted into law in our legally constructed and authrorized 535 member house of representatives.

I guess they dont teach this in school anymore to all these youngsters on here touting for FCC to pass more and more legislation they have zero authorization to pass..


You folks see... by making the Internet a utility like cable TV or Radio you just gave a non legislative alphabet agency the power of dictatorship like Net Neutrality did.

Forget about that though... it hurts too many peoples feelings so law doesnt matter in our once was republic now that were a full fledged democracy.

Who here thinks we should have a Federal Speech Commission after making free speech a utility to regulate?

Net Neutrality is a cancer bomb waiting for exploitation at a later date. We need true neutrality but not the way it was implemented. Eliminate the internet as a public utility and congress must pass a legit bill. The FCC and no other agency needs this kind of power.

Power not reserved to them by the states and our constitution.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but the FCC regulates all communication agencies as communication is considered a vital form of information exchange. And this is considered vital to the well being of the country as a whole.

Weren't phone companies regulated for years by the FCC Mr genius? FCC didn't seem to screw them up.

Even when power companies were regulated by the state and had state and federal run power suppliers (like the Tennessee valley authority), electricity was reliable and relatively cheap.

And to your argument that powers are not granted by the Constitution, you would be wrong.

Constitution preamble said:
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare,
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You lost on the whole "to promote the general welfare" bit. Sorry. Same reason we have eminent domain. Not in the Constitution directly but to provide for the general welfare.

Yet you would allow a monopoly company the right to dictate to you how and when you would get access to vital services?

Now what did they teach you in school? Maybe you should ask for your tax money back.
 
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trparky said:
Oh Tiberian, that's bullshit and you know it! That's the biggest bunch of FUD I've ever seen and I've seen a lot of FUD. There's no damn way that would happen and you know it, there would be a revolt on the Internet like you wouldn't believe if that really came to pass.
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You say that, but this is what happened in Portugal.
 
stolikat said:
I think it is laughably obvious to most rational thinking people. I think the real question here is to you as a Trump supporter, when did you start caring about facts? Do I really need to list all the lies you dear leader has told? Because we will be here for awhile.
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Leave politics out of this. It detracts from this issue and it is a farce of the weak minded. Both sides lie and manipulate to achieve their objectives. Even one of my best friends in politics plays these games.
 
Master_shake_ said:
This is exactly how this whole thing started.

the fcc was sued by verizon for telling them they couldn't block access to certain web services.

now 6 years later we've come3 full circle and the fcc says it's ok for them too.

and you people are arguing about politics.

this is not a left v right issue everyone is going to get fucked hard by this.

get over your affiliations and stop them.
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AaaaaaaaMen!
 
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