Samsung to Unveil Micro LED TV at CES

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Samsung Electronics is reportedly planning to unveil a Micro LED TV at the Consumer Electronics Show next year. The top of the line TV will be 150 inches and commercialized sometime next year after the unveiling at Las Vegas. The same technology that Samsung used for its 4K resolution cinema LED has been applied but smaller, and the model is aimed at the home theater market.

Making LED smaller is difficult. Micro LED displays have LEDs smaller than 100 micrometers, with each LED chip acting as a pixel. If realized, Micro LED displays will consume less power and won't have burn-in problems like OLED. If a plastic substrate is used, it can also be used for flexible displays. Application in smartphones will likely take longer, as the LED chips must be even smaller.
 
mLED looks awesome, are there any downsides besides cost (and the fact it is not available yet?)
 
finally something for TVs and not phones first.

Plastic substrate = no more cracked screens by UPS Fedex ?
 
Azphira said:
Will it have micro dead pixels?
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You'll need a microscope to see them.

Kdawg said:
finally something for TVs and not phones first.

Plastic substrate = no more cracked screens by UPS Fedex ?
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Yep, it should survive transit better.
Although after using it with Oculus Rift you will have to put up with fist shaped dents and a cracked rear :)
 
Kdawg said:
finally something for TVs and not phones first.

Plastic substrate = no more cracked screens by UPS Fedex ?
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You can already have a plastic TV, its just that most consumers don't want them so they make fewer and fewer. LCDs do not need a glass substrate and in the past they were all plastic. This means that even if they make microLED they are just going to put a sheet of glass on the front.


From my perspective I see microLED as Plasma 2.0. I just think that they are going to be more expensive to manufacture marginalizing them to larger high end displays.
 
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I look forward to my 150" micro-led 4K wall-TV-screen thing. I assume it will take 5+ years before we see a viable product.

Meanwhile, OLED is still expensive, even if it is awesome. I think my next TV will be a 65" 4K LED Sony or Samsung, in the sub $2k range. OLED adds a grand or more to the shopping price, and I'm not sure I care enough. OTOH my 9 year old 60" Sony 1080p LED tv still looks good* (for what it is, a light bleeding edge lit beast). It would be nice if it would decide to die so I have to buy a new one and the wifey can't complain. I could try to sell the thing but I doubt I would get more than $250 for it, what with TV deals these days.
 
You can get 65" lg oled for $2300, but i want that tech for 1k. Still out of price point for me
 
what do you guys watch to need such fancy TVs ?

$2000+ is ridonkulous, considering there's nothing but 4k blurays that are good enough in image quality. All the other shit like streaming video is compressed garbage, even at 4k.
 
Already happy with my 65" Q7F QLED. It was better than OLEDs in direct TV compare in the store.
 
Shintai said:
Already happy with my 65" Q7F QLED. It was better than OLEDs in direct TV compare in the store.
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And that's where you made a mistake. That is the only situation where ordinary LED-LCD is better than OLED, a bright showroom because normal LED-LCD has higher peak brightness so it stands out more in such enviroment. In normal living room at normal brightness levels and especially darkened room OLED eats any QLED for breakfast.
 
There was a HP Dreamcolour? LED panel a few years back, that thing had some amazing specs. Was pro only and cost more than most balls out rigs here...
I've worked around many massive LED walls over the years and they are only getting better. The Dot pitch used to be shithouse but they're getting pretty small already for larger screens (6-10m+ stuff) and are incredibly impressive.
That said, when you see the effort, weight and size of them to rig (we are talking two+ people, an entire day or more, shitloads of cables and huge brackets), it's still got a long way to go for consumers.
 
MaZa said:
And that's where you made a mistake. That is the only situation where ordinary LED-LCD is better than OLED, a bright showroom because normal LED-LCD has higher peak brightness so it stands out more in such enviroment. In normal living room at normal brightness levels and especially darkened room OLED eats any QLED for breakfast.
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Unless you hate image retention. My old TV suffers from image retention like OLED after something is on screen for a few minutes. Completely wipes out the minor benefits when you have to stare at splotches of old crap on the screen while watching a movie. My #1 concern for my new TV was to get something with no image retention it bugged me so much, got the Sony X930E couldn't be happier. Blacks are good but not perfect, but man it beats seeing old images superimposed on a movie.
 
MaZa said:
And that's where you made a mistake. That is the only situation where ordinary LED-LCD is better than OLED, a bright showroom because normal LED-LCD has higher peak brightness so it stands out more in such enviroment. In normal living room at normal brightness levels and especially darkened room OLED eats any QLED for breakfast.
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No mistake, OLED is simply overhyped to the sky and cant deliver and then this:
http://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/permanent-image-retention-burn-in-lcd-oled
No wonder OLED displays in stores are replaced monthly by the manufactor ;)
 
Shintai said:
No mistake, OLED is simply overhyped to the sky and cant deliver and then this:
http://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/permanent-image-retention-burn-in-lcd-oled
No wonder OLED displays in stores are replaced monthly by the manufactor ;)
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I have seriously hard time understanding how anyone can say having an infinite contrast ratio, wide viewing angles and instant pixel response times "overhyped". :eek: But if image retention is a serious concern with your use then that is a valid argument because that really is OLEDs achilles heel. Mind you though, Rtings are abusing the shit out of those TV's, that is the whole point of the test. With modern OLEDs it takes some time before image retention kicks in and even then there is some way before it becomes a permanent burn-in. I have nothing to say about shops replacing the showroom oleds periodically because this is the first time I have even heard of it.

Again about Rtings, if you take a look at the pictures it took almost 5 weeks of 20 hours abuse per day before clear signs of burn-in kicked in. Who the hell would do that in normal home situations!?
 
Shintai said:
No mistake, OLED is simply overhyped to the sky and cant deliver and then this:
http://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/permanent-image-retention-burn-in-lcd-oled
No wonder OLED displays in stores are replaced monthly by the manufactor ;)
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Says someone who's been fooled by Samsungs total BS QLED hype. :D

Fond of Rtings? check what their best TV is:
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/best/by-resolution/4k-ultra-hd-uhd

"The best 4k TV we've tested is the LG B7A 4k WebOS TV. Thanks to its use of OLEDs, it produces a picture quality unmatched by LED TVs in its price range or even models more expensive. Combined with its wide array of features, it will please the great majority of people."

Given Samsungs BS around QLED, I wouldn't be surprised if they end up shipping "Micro-LED" TVs that are really LCD TVs in yet another attempt to fool consumers.
 
Snowdog said:
Says someone who's been fooled by Samsungs total BS QLED hype. :D

Fond of Rtings? check what their best TV is:
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/best/by-resolution/4k-ultra-hd-uhd

"The best 4k TV we've tested is the LG B7A 4k WebOS TV. Thanks to its use of OLEDs, it produces a picture quality unmatched by LED TVs in its price range or even models more expensive. Combined with its wide array of features, it will please the great majority of people."

Given Samsungs BS around QLED, I wouldn't be surprised if they end up shipping "Micro-LED" TVs that are really LCD TVs in yet another attempt to fool consumers.
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Ironically, isn't this micro-LED thingy what QLED was supposed to be originally? Samsungs take on self-emitting display technology by using normal leds instead of organic leds of OLED? But now that they chose to call quantum dot backlights as QLEDs (which my 2016 Samsung KS already is, it has quantum dot backlight just like 2017 Samsung "QLEDs") they have to figure out a new name for their self-emitting technology.
 
MaZa said:
Ironically, isn't this micro-LED thingy what QLED was supposed to be originally? Samsungs take on self-emitting display technology by using normal leds instead of organic leds of OLED? But now that they chose to call quantum dot backlights as QLEDs (which my 2016 Samsung KS already is, it has quantum dot backlight just like 2017 Samsung "QLEDs") they have to figure out a new name for their self-emitting technology.
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quantum dots were about making existing LED backlights broader spectrum to support wider gamuts; not about LED per pixel like OLED.

A day or two ago I saw an article from an LED industry news site talking about using micro-LEDs grides as backlights for conventional LCD panels (IIRC ~4k on a phone to 40k on a large PC monitor/small TV) to improve HDR by allowing a much larger number of backlighting zones.

That has me wishing ZDnet had a bit more detail in its article; is this new Samsung TV going to be microLED backlit LCD, or have a micro LED per subpixel similar to OLED.
 
MaZa said:
Ironically, isn't this micro-LED thingy what QLED was supposed to be originally? Samsungs take on self-emitting display technology by using normal leds instead of organic leds of OLED? But now that they chose to call quantum dot backlights as QLEDs (which my 2016 Samsung KS already is, it has quantum dot backlight just like 2017 Samsung "QLEDs") they have to figure out a new name for their self-emitting technology.
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Not really irony, just more of the same.

QLED is supposed to be emissive, and instead Samsung applied the name to LCD. MicroLED is also supposed to be emissive tech, so making it LCD would just more of the same from Samsung.
 
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