Intel's 8th Generation Core Family - Coffee Lake (LGA 1151, 6C/12T)

Where do you expect Core i7-8700K's Turbo to land?

  • 3.8/3.9 GHz

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • 4.0/4.1 GHz

    Votes: 3 23.1%

  • 4.2/4.3 GHz

    Votes: 6 46.2%

  • 4.4/4.5 GHz

    Votes: 3 23.1%

  • 4.6/4.7 GHz

    Votes: 1 7.7%
  • Total voters
    13
  • Poll closed .
kirbyrj said:
I just picked one up for $550 and thought I was getting a deal. $499 at MC is a deal, but you pay sales tax ($30) and I'd have to drive to Philly to get it. If NE had them for $499, I would have jumped all over it.
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Yeah I passed on the $550 a few days ago but if it goes sub-$500 this holiday season I will be salty.
 
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Just need free time to play with my new toy. Damn responsibilities!
 
Anybody familiar with VCCIO / VCCSA tweaking? Is it worth messing with to get better temps? "Auto" seems to run pretty high, 1.2V+ when it seems like it should be closer to 1.15.
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
Anybody familiar with VCCIO / VCCSA tweaking? Is it worth messing with to get better temps? "Auto" seems to run pretty high, 1.2V+ when it seems like it should be closer to 1.15.
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Testing IMC and RAM stability is a PITA.

If you lower either of those you will have to do extensive IMC and RAM stability testing and then regression testing every time you change any RAM setting afterwards.

Not worth the effort IMO.
 
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Communism said:
Hilarious that 33% of the "reviews" are from AMD's infamous shill hoard even after they deleted most of them.

Scratch that, 38%, had to check the other "star" ratings other than 1 and they are all AMD shill posts, absolutely hilarious.
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Why would it be any different there than on forums? ;)
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
It's mostly people complaining about supply problems.
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Look closer, most of them say nothing more than "Intel sucks buy Ryzen".

And almost all of them are from the first 2-3 days.

For your theory to even remotely have a chance to be true, they would be more focused on that topic as well as more dispersed in time.

Most of them were also deleted, as there were way more pages of them on launch day.
 
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Hagrid said:
Yeah, I read some of them and seems most are complaining about no stock like you said.
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I see we have an infection on this thread again:


1.0 out of 5 starsOne Star
ByJ. Woodon October 5, 2017
Style Name: i5-8400|Size: Processor
14nm again

1.0 out of 5 starsReally trash
ByDavid Parraon October 7, 2017
Style Name: i7-8700K|Size: Processor
Trash

1.0 out of 5 starsLocked, and can only be paired with motherboards intended for unlocked CPU's
ByAmazon Customeron October 9, 2017
Style Name: i7-8700|Size: Processor
This CPU is locked down (in comparison to AMD CPU's which are not), and cannot be overclocked. But the only motherboards available at this time are high-end (expensive) units meant for overclocking.

I suggest staying away from this CPU until cheaper motherboards are released, unless you like pissing your money away on features you cannot use.

1.0 out of 5 starsTrash
ByDavid Parraon October 7, 2017
Style Name: i5-8400|Size: Processor
Trash garbage launch

1.0 out of 5 starsHorrible
ByDavid Parraon October 7, 2017
Style Name: i5-8600K|Size: Processor
Intel's manufacturing has been so bad, processor is available no where, even a Ryzen 1600 is better at a better price too. Get Ryzen and don't wait 1 month for this garbage.

1.0 out of 5 starsOne Star
ByRobert Boccuzzion October 6, 2017
Style Name: i7-8700K|Size: Processor
Very disappointed

1.0 out of 5 starsLocked, and can only be paired with motherboards intended for unlocked CPU's
ByAmazon Customeron October 9, 2017
Style: i3-8100|Size: Processor
This CPU is locked down (in comparison to AMD CPU's which are not), and cannot be overclocked. But the only motherboards available at this time are high-end (expensive) units meant for overclocking.

I suggest staying away from this CPU until cheaper motherboards are released, unless you like pissing your money away on features you cannot use.

1.0 out of 5 starsOne Star
ByAmazon Customeron October 6, 2017
Style Name: i7-8700K|Size: Processor
Going for Ryzen 1700x now.

1.0 out of 5 starsUgh
ByAdamon October 6, 2017
Style Name: i7-8700K|Size: Processor
Why release a product with such low amount to sell? Its like trying to buy a NES Classic when it came out.
Once restocked too it's just going to sell out again.
Unless you sit all day on your computer and phone you won't be able to get one for months.

Unfortunately I already bought a motherboard...

1.0 out of 5 starsOne Star
ByIgnacio V.on October 6, 2017
Style Name: i7-8700K|Size: Processor
Worst release ever!

1.0 out of 5 starsGarbage paper launch
ByDominic Picaon October 6, 2017
Style Name: i7-8700K|Size: Processor
Spend your money elsewhere. AMD deserves it, Intel does not. Garbage paper launch.

1.0 out of 5 starsNot impressed, its lame. 3rd generation on 14nm with new mobo
Bymanojon October 5, 2017
Style Name: i5-8400|Size: Processor
6 core and 6 thread unlocked with very less cache memory and only 10$ cheaper than unlocked 1600x, not impressed.
Power consumption((not tdp)) is same as 12 core AMD thread-ripper.
Only advantage is clock speed. better to buy cheap unlocked i3 if you want to 5.0ghz processor :xD
3rd generation on 14nm with new MB, and coming with 12nm with 2nd gen ryzen.
Canon lake will be 10nm which will require new MB again.

1.0 out of 5 starsthis is a joke release short in supply due to ...
ByAmazon Customeron October 5, 2017
Style Name: i7-8700K|Size: Processor
this is a joke release short in supply due to hard to manufacture this cpu. intel is pressing too hard and hard and we get nothing in the end

1.0 out of 5 starsOne Star
ByAmazon Customeron October 5, 2017
Style Name: i7-8700K|Size: Processor
Screw you, Intel. Just screw you

1.0 out of 5 starsI was on the fence...
ByNoah Rogerson October 6, 2017
Style Name: i7-8700K|Size: Processor
I was on the fence between this and the ryzen. The insanely low stock of this product made my choice much easier, Ryzen wins.

1.0 out of 5 starsIt looks like Intel cares very little for their coustomers
ByCliente Amazonon October 9, 2017
Style Name: i5-8600K|Size: Processor
It looks like Intel cares very little for their coustomers. How can you release a prduct having such a small quatities on Stock?

1.0 out of 5 starsIntel - TERRIBLE!!
ByW.Leveson-Goweron October 6, 2017
Style Name: i5-8600K|Size: Processor
Intel - TERRIBLE !!!!!!, I was undecided between Intel and Ryzen.... Intel's low production and rumors of production problems? I am not risking it !, specially when it requires an upgrade on MOBOs, small differences in chip performance between Intel's and Ryzen's are not worth the risk. Going for Ryzen now.

1.0 out of 5 starsIt does not exist, it is a myth.
ByJ. Smithon October 5, 2017
Style Name: i7-8700K|Size: Processor
It does not exist, it is a myth.

1.0 out of 5 starsPoor release
ByJennie Zhangon October 5, 2017
Style Name: i7-8700K|Size: Processor
Literally the worst paper launch in five years. Less than 20 cpus for all of the US and none for Germany. Wait a damn quarter and fix your processors!

1.0 out of 5 starsPower consuming heater
ByChris R.on October 8, 2017
Style Name: i5-8600K|Size: Processor
I manage to get a full build together with the Z370 Asrock Taichi and disappointed that I couldn’t use my H7 to overclock. My little brother seems to have a blast on his Ryzen 3 1300x running stock cooler with a B350 motherboard which costed $100 on a cpu and helped him out to overclock his cpu without no problems in tempatures. Well this setup will keep me warm during the holidays on stock speed. Yippie.



Limit reached, continued on 2nd post.
 
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1.0 out of 5 starsOne Star
Byaeolianon October 19, 2017
Style Name: i5-8400|Size: Processor
Like UFOs and Big Foot, it doesn't exist! #vaporware.

1.0 out of 5 starsLaunching a product that's going to be unavailable for a while is unacceptable
BySergeyon October 6, 2017
Style Name: i5-8600K|Size: Processor
Launching a product that's immediately unavailable for an unknown period of time - is truly unacceptable and shows that this launch was really intended to take the wind out of AMD's sails.

I wanted to upgrade my aging i5 (Ivy Bridge). Looks like I'll be going with Ryzen 1600. I've had it with shenanigans from Intel.

1.0 out of 5 starsPaper launch
ByHonestRevieweron October 6, 2017
Style Name: i5-8600K|Size: Processor
Fact: Coffee lake IPC = Kaby Lake IPC. No, it is not improved contrary to what you’ve heard. The improved benches are a result of Intel increasing power draw, not improving core structure that would genuinely improve IPC. In case you don’t believe me please refer to many experts on this matter, Linus and HardwareCanucks to name a few.

Another fact: Ryzen’s infinity fabric boosts IPC to above Kaby Lake and ties Coffee Lake when matches with 3466-3600 DDR4 ram. The reason you never hear of this is due to the prices of ram at the moment. 1 CCX in the Ryzen 1600(3 cores per CCX) matched with DDR4 3466 ram will closely tie with this processor.

Not to mention this is blunt paper launch by Intel instead of a real one. Is intel that scared?

1.0 out of 5 starsFake release in extremely limited production. What game is Intel playing?
ByMr. Gurupateliskernaramapunjastickleon October 20, 2017
Style Name: i5-8400|Size: Processor
I've been waiting for this but alas, a rush release by Intel to trick the market and cheat the consumers. Besides, once you upgrade your motherboard along with the Coffee Lake there is no upgrade path. Next year there will be an new socket and a new Lake. Better off going with a Ryzen and having multiple upgrade options for next generation processors.

1.0 out of 5 starsfeel like the same processor to me
ByBrian Bashon November 8, 2017
Style Name: i7-8700K|Size: Processor
I'll admit, I bought into it, drove 148 miles to fry's when I saw they had 1 in houston. Got it and a motherboard...$600 bucks. I currently have 2 rigs. 1st - 6850K with Asus X-99 AII, 2nd - Ryzen 1700X. This 8700K has got that sparkling number 5Ghz, pay no attention that is only one core than can do that. Pay no attention to the 28 Lanes as opposed to my 40 with my 6850K. How did it go against the 6850K? Im not sure, feel like the same processor to me. I have my 6850K at a stable 4.4Ghz, watercooled. 6 Cores, 12 Threads. Sound Familiar? Gee whiz, odd how it was "released" but so hard to come by...right before the holidays. Man o man, people are paying $675 all day for this processor on eBay. Well played intel. How did it fair against the 1700X? Well, it's a little better in Games I guess, but I play simulators which use as many cores as possible. I saw maybe a maximum of 5% difference between the 1700X and 8700K at 4.0Ghz and 4.6Ghz respectively. So yeah, I wish I could kick the processor back to the vendor...but I'd like my money back. Dont get me wrong, Intel makes good stuff, but they don't push it until they gotta make room for the BIG NEW GAME CHANGING FASTEST PROCESSOR EVER! TO BE RELEASED ON OCTOBER 10th!!,,,,Maybe....I mean....they have more, they are just trying to stir as much of a swarm of eager intel puppies as possible that are OK with a Z270 Motherboard....whoops, I mean Z370...cant wait for that Z390 coming out Q1 withthe 8790K....that will be somethin!

Save your money. Either get a 6850K and a nice X-99 MB (which are very stable now with great memory compatiblity, 40 PCIe lanes and that wonderful 8 slots of DD4 just waiting for 128GB of Ram...Or get a Ryzen 1700X and really save some cash. The difference is literally a wash, all depends on the game/use. And just say no to ThreadRipper. That was AMD's lame attempt because they busted their nut too quick. Can't blame them, they've wanted to beat the bully for a long time and they did...but they went too quick, eventually just offering 2 1800X's glued together with a $499 motherboard to top it off.

1.0 out of 5 starsOne Star
ByAmazon Customeron November 16, 2017
Style Name: i5-8400|Size: Processor
Would be nice if they made more than 10 at a time...

1.0 out of 5 starsVery poor business practice
ByMHon November 8, 2017
Style Name: i7-8700K|Size: Processor|Verified Purchase
Pro:
-Best CPU on the market beyond some HEDT.
-Overclocks well

Con:
-Price gouging. Shame on you.
-Make no mistake, market demand is high, but clearly Intel is generating scarcity on purpose to limit AMD Ryzen sales. We all suffer as we have to wait, and the price is allowed to creep >$60 above release & MSRP.
-Forced to buy new motherboard. I bet 9th generation /10nm processors will also require the same.
-Still using inferior thermal material. Runs hot.
-No included heatsink. I like that there is a 3rd part market for cooling solutions, therefore I'm not in the camp that this needs to be provided. However, the price should also be decreased to compensate.
-Major failure for Intel. You've set back the desktop enthusiast market, and burned loyal customers badly.

Other:
-There is no avenue to reproach Intel and Amazon beyond these product reviews. Intel has deleted or quarantined all of the critical commentary regarding the Coffee Lake / 8th gen release on many of the social media platforms.
-It is good hardware, but the shameful business practices many of us had to endure to get one in-house are difficult to suffer.
-I am not AMD fanboy. They make an inferior product, but you get a lot more bang for your buck.
-Launch of X299 -Sklylake X and Z370- Coffee Lake are two strikes against Intel. I wish that the discussion regarding dissatisfaction with desktop computing would reenter the limelight. Everything appears muted or even suppressed.

2.0 out of 5 starsTwo Stars
ByAmazon Customeron October 5, 2017
Style Name: i5-8400|Size: Processor
Should have been at least more performance than ryzen 1600. Taking mobo cost the cost. Add up

2.0 out of 5 starsNot worth it for price
ByHarryon October 6, 2017
Style Name: i5-8400|Size: Processor
Alright so here's my honest opinion. Lacks in productivity benchmarks against ryzen 1600 and gaming performance is kinda same. You have to buy cpu cooler separately which brings it to almost same price as ryzen. Also new motherboard every launch doesn't help given you would be able to upgrade ryzen to ryzen+ and ryzen 2 without buying new mobo. If this was about 150-160 then sure, this would have been pretty nice upgrade but at current price, not really worth it.

Out of all of them, at maximum 1 of them could possibly not be from the infamous AMD shill hoard.
 
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Communism said:
1.0 out of 5 starsOne Star
Byaeolianon October 19, 2017
Style Name: i5-8400|Size: Processor
Like UFOs and Big Foot, it doesn't exist! #vaporware.

1.0 out of 5 starsLaunching a product that's going to be unavailable for a while is unacceptable
BySergeyon October 6, 2017
Style Name: i5-8600K|Size: Processor
Launching a product that's immediately unavailable for an unknown period of time - is truly unacceptable and shows that this launch was really intended to take the wind out of AMD's sails.

I wanted to upgrade my aging i5 (Ivy Bridge). Looks like I'll be going with Ryzen 1600. I've had it with shenanigans from Intel.

1.0 out of 5 starsPaper launch
ByHonestRevieweron October 6, 2017
Style Name: i5-8600K|Size: Processor
Fact: Coffee lake IPC = Kaby Lake IPC. No, it is not improved contrary to what you’ve heard. The improved benches are a result of Intel increasing power draw, not improving core structure that would genuinely improve IPC. In case you don’t believe me please refer to many experts on this matter, Linus and HardwareCanucks to name a few.

Another fact: Ryzen’s infinity fabric boosts IPC to above Kaby Lake and ties Coffee Lake when matches with 3466-3600 DDR4 ram. The reason you never hear of this is due to the prices of ram at the moment. 1 CCX in the Ryzen 1600(3 cores per CCX) matched with DDR4 3466 ram will closely tie with this processor.

Not to mention this is blunt paper launch by Intel instead of a real one. Is intel that scared?

1.0 out of 5 starsFake release in extremely limited production. What game is Intel playing?
ByMr. Gurupateliskernaramapunjastickleon October 20, 2017
Style Name: i5-8400|Size: Processor
I've been waiting for this but alas, a rush release by Intel to trick the market and cheat the consumers. Besides, once you upgrade your motherboard along with the Coffee Lake there is no upgrade path. Next year there will be an new socket and a new Lake. Better off going with a Ryzen and having multiple upgrade options for next generation processors.

1.0 out of 5 starsfeel like the same processor to me
ByBrian Bashon November 8, 2017
Style Name: i7-8700K|Size: Processor
I'll admit, I bought into it, drove 148 miles to fry's when I saw they had 1 in houston. Got it and a motherboard...$600 bucks. I currently have 2 rigs. 1st - 6850K with Asus X-99 AII, 2nd - Ryzen 1700X. This 8700K has got that sparkling number 5Ghz, pay no attention that is only one core than can do that. Pay no attention to the 28 Lanes as opposed to my 40 with my 6850K. How did it go against the 6850K? Im not sure, feel like the same processor to me. I have my 6850K at a stable 4.4Ghz, watercooled. 6 Cores, 12 Threads. Sound Familiar? Gee whiz, odd how it was "released" but so hard to come by...right before the holidays. Man o man, people are paying $675 all day for this processor on eBay. Well played intel. How did it fair against the 1700X? Well, it's a little better in Games I guess, but I play simulators which use as many cores as possible. I saw maybe a maximum of 5% difference between the 1700X and 8700K at 4.0Ghz and 4.6Ghz respectively. So yeah, I wish I could kick the processor back to the vendor...but I'd like my money back. Dont get me wrong, Intel makes good stuff, but they don't push it until they gotta make room for the BIG NEW GAME CHANGING FASTEST PROCESSOR EVER! TO BE RELEASED ON OCTOBER 10th!!,,,,Maybe....I mean....they have more, they are just trying to stir as much of a swarm of eager intel puppies as possible that are OK with a Z270 Motherboard....whoops, I mean Z370...cant wait for that Z390 coming out Q1 withthe 8790K....that will be somethin!

Save your money. Either get a 6850K and a nice X-99 MB (which are very stable now with great memory compatiblity, 40 PCIe lanes and that wonderful 8 slots of DD4 just waiting for 128GB of Ram...Or get a Ryzen 1700X and really save some cash. The difference is literally a wash, all depends on the game/use. And just say no to ThreadRipper. That was AMD's lame attempt because they busted their nut too quick. Can't blame them, they've wanted to beat the bully for a long time and they did...but they went too quick, eventually just offering 2 1800X's glued together with a $499 motherboard to top it off.

1.0 out of 5 starsOne Star
ByAmazon Customeron November 16, 2017
Style Name: i5-8400|Size: Processor
Would be nice if they made more than 10 at a time...

1.0 out of 5 starsVery poor business practice
ByMHon November 8, 2017
Style Name: i7-8700K|Size: Processor|Verified Purchase
Pro:
-Best CPU on the market beyond some HEDT.
-Overclocks well

Con:
-Price gouging. Shame on you.
-Make no mistake, market demand is high, but clearly Intel is generating scarcity on purpose to limit AMD Ryzen sales. We all suffer as we have to wait, and the price is allowed to creep >$60 above release & MSRP.
-Forced to buy new motherboard. I bet 9th generation /10nm processors will also require the same.
-Still using inferior thermal material. Runs hot.
-No included heatsink. I like that there is a 3rd part market for cooling solutions, therefore I'm not in the camp that this needs to be provided. However, the price should also be decreased to compensate.
-Major failure for Intel. You've set back the desktop enthusiast market, and burned loyal customers badly.

Other:
-There is no avenue to reproach Intel and Amazon beyond these product reviews. Intel has deleted or quarantined all of the critical commentary regarding the Coffee Lake / 8th gen release on many of the social media platforms.
-It is good hardware, but the shameful business practices many of us had to endure to get one in-house are difficult to suffer.
-I am not AMD fanboy. They make an inferior product, but you get a lot more bang for your buck.
-Launch of X299 -Sklylake X and Z370- Coffee Lake are two strikes against Intel. I wish that the discussion regarding dissatisfaction with desktop computing would reenter the limelight. Everything appears muted or even suppressed.

2.0 out of 5 starsTwo Stars
ByAmazon Customeron October 5, 2017
Style Name: i5-8400|Size: Processor
Should have been at least more performance than ryzen 1600. Taking mobo cost the cost. Add up

2.0 out of 5 starsNot worth it for price
ByHarryon October 6, 2017
Style Name: i5-8400|Size: Processor
Alright so here's my honest opinion. Lacks in productivity benchmarks against ryzen 1600 and gaming performance is kinda same. You have to buy cpu cooler separately which brings it to almost same price as ryzen. Also new motherboard every launch doesn't help given you would be able to upgrade ryzen to ryzen+ and ryzen 2 without buying new mobo. If this was about 150-160 then sure, this would have been pretty nice upgrade but at current price, not really worth it.

Out of all of them, at maximum 1 of them could possibly not be from the infamous AMD shill hoard.
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Ok, I count different, but no big deal to me.
 
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get a 6850K
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Cancer.
This 8700K has got that sparkling number 5Ghz, pay no attention that is only one core than can do that.
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Is this real life?
Another fact: Ryzen’s infinity fabric boosts IPC to above Kaby Lake and ties Coffee Lake when matches with 3466-3600 DDR4 ram.
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Fact: Faster RAM makes a processor faster, just spend an extra $100.


Shame on YOU for making me read that.
 
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After selling some bitcoin i do plan to do an upgrade. But after seeing the prices of the 8600k and 8700k I might just hold off until next year when the Z390 and rumored 8core CPU are coming. By that time I got a feeling Ryzen 2 will be out.

Might just pick up a 4k monitor since I will be more GPU bound then CPU bound at that resolution.
 
8700K is $380 at MC with the stores I’ve looked at having 15+ in stock. Seems like prices are getting back to normal as supply catches up.
 
Oh some data I got for a friend that works at a biggish tech retailer in the UK.

400/month 8700ks (100/week excluding binned chips)
400~/month 7700k(100/week)
286/month 1600(70~/week)
90/month 1600x(22~/week)

8700k has out sold the 1800x at this retailer
7980XE outsold the Fury line on day one! (odd comparison but still)
 
Dayman said:
Oh some data I got for a friend that works at a biggish tech retailer in the UK.

400/month 8700ks (100/week excluding binned chips)
400~/month 7700k(100/week)
286/month 1600(70~/week)
90/month 1600x(22~/week)

8700k has out sold the 1800x at this retailer
7980XE outsold the Fury line on day one! (odd comparison but still)
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Actually, that shows the AMD chips in better light than you'd think as they are capturing 30% of the market. The fact that there are no AMD 8 core chips and no non-HT Intel chips demonstrates the lack of information actually being provided. Plus the 7980XE / Fury comparison makes no sense at all. If anything, it kind of shows that none of these numbers are meaningful at all.
 
kirbyrj said:
Actually, that shows the AMD chips in better light than you'd think as they are capturing 30% of the market. The fact that there are no AMD 8 core chips and no non-HT Intel chips demonstrates the lack of information actually being provided. Plus the 7980XE / Fury comparison makes no sense at all. If anything, it kind of shows that none of these numbers are meaningful at all.
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In what world does an 8700k, a CPU that has been out for a month 1/2 that has out sold the 1800x completely (whole units), a CPU that came out 8months ago, show good light for AMD? I got the data on the 1600 as its claimed to be Ryzens best value and best seller. 7980XE out selling the Fury is both due to them selling in low numbers. I never asked for 7980XE data, I was just given it in that odd comparison and didn't push anymore. I'd ask for more info but the guys busy, i'll see what I can provide.
 
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TaintedSquirrel said:
The 1800X is more expensive than the 8700K and also eclipsed by the more common-sense R7 1700.
AMD should be selling zero 1800X's.
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I bet the intel people here believe that AMD has sold close to 0 anything. I welcome AMD since it gave Intel a kick in their ass and now we have a much better choice.
 
Hagrid said:
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I bet the intel people here believe that AMD has sold close to 0 anything. I welcome AMD since it gave Intel a kick in their ass and now we have a much better choice.
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AMD has always preferred to invest first in advertising tricks and last in actual engineering and development.

AMD sold tons of FX-8150s as well to people dumb enough to believe their lies, the same cycle is replaying today.

Even the dumb-asses that buy the advertising tricks at first realize they've been duped eventually, as we saw with Phenom, and then again with Bulldozer, and now with Ryzen.
 
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Communism said:
AMD has always preferred to invest first in advertising tricks and last in actual engineering and development.

AMD sold tons of FX-8150s as well to people dumb enough to believe their lies, the same cycle is replaying today.

Even the dumb-asses that buy the advertising tricks at first realize they've been duped eventually, as we saw with Phenom, and then again with Bulldozer, and now with Ryzen.
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Intel never does tricks? haha
I know you love Intel like a waifu, but AMD is kicking some booty and it is good for US. We are getting better products. Competition is good. You can pretend AMD does not exist and hate on them
but they really helped us.
 
Hagrid said:
Intel never does tricks? haha
I know you love Intel like a waifu, but AMD is kicking some booty and it is good for US. We are getting better products. Competition is good. You can pretend AMD does not exist and hate on them
but they really helped us.
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You really don't get it do you?

Corporations are not your friend.

Everything they say is a self-serving lie until proven otherwise.

Any information you don't have to pay 100% for means you are the product that the person "giving" the information to you is selling.

Not sure what fantasy-land you live in, but I live in reality.



Here's the kicker.


The only reason AMD exists to this day is because Intel wants it alive.
AMD has been competitive exactly once in it's history, and it didn't even last more than a year.


The only reason Apple exists to this day is because Microsoft wanted it alive.


There are no "teams", there are only those closer to reality and those who are further away.
 
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Dayman said:
In what world does an 8700k, a CPU that has been out for a month 1/2 that has out sold the 1800x completely (whole units), a CPU that came out 8months ago, show good light for AMD? I got the data on the 1600 as its claimed to be Ryzens best value and best seller. 7980XE out selling the Fury is both due to them selling in low numbers. I never asked for 7980XE data, I was just given it in that odd comparison and didn't push anymore. I'd ask for more info but the guys busy, i'll see what I can provide.
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First of all there is nothing in that data to suggest any length of time of sales other than a per month sale chart. There is no frame of reference and half of the more logical processors are left off. Those figures are absolutely useless coupled with the extreme Edition CPU compared to a video card it makes your friend sound like he has no idea what he's talking about.
 
I don't know why I bother responding to Communism but anyway...

I don't know how you can't say that ryzen isn't competitive depending on the price point. It's not a bad CPU. You can argue all you want about how it is Sandy Bridge era IPC but Intel Never released a six or eight core Sandy Bridge that was ~$200 with modern conveniences like nvme and usb3.1. That's not a judgment of any Corporation being good or evil.
 
The biggest thing helping Ryzen competitiveness is honestly the continuing supply issues with Coffee Lake. For lower end builds that would be getting an i5-8400 it's hard to recommend to people that they fight over newegg and amazon in-stock notifications instead of just ordering Ryzen.
 
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