Hollywood Strikes Back Against Illegal Streaming Kodi Add-Ons

DukenukemX said:
Because entertainment isn't like a car or a ride on a private jet. Those are things you want cause of the results they give,
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If I watch a movie I didn't pay for then it stands to reason it must have had some value to me, why else would I spend my time doing it? By availing yourself of the entertainment value of the movie, you just admitted it had value - value that you took advantage of without compensation to the creators of that value.
 
If I wasn't going to watch a movie because it's regurgitated garbage or because I cannot afford to view it, than the studio's weren't going to make any money out of me anyway. By that line of thinking, if I duplicate data, keeping the original file intact and with it's content creators: I'm not actually stealing in the true definition of the term (the idea this is stealing is something created by the studio's and the shady unions that represent them) and they wern't going to make any money out of me anyway - So nothing is lost.

I'm not advocating piracy, just hypothetically speaking.
 
btw theatre don't suck, they have nice recliner seats now, which is way better. Imax screen, atmos surround sound and recliner seats makes it all worth it to see a movie on the big screen. ;-) (the only thing I don't do is 3D movies, only Avatar was good in 3D, since than not so much.)
 
Dullard said:
If I watch a movie I didn't pay for then it stands to reason it must have had some value to me, why else would I spend my time doing it? By availing yourself of the entertainment value of the movie, you just admitted it had value - value that you took advantage of without compensation to the creators of that value.
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Reasons I watch a movie that sucked.

#1 I bought into the advertising. That new Justice League movie looks cool, maybe I should watch it? Oh no, they fooled me yet again. Curse you Hollywood!
#2 I'm a creature of comfort and enjoy familiarity. I love Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman, so obviously I like Justice League. Especially the 90's cartoon. Nope, the movie sucked.
#3 The movie sucked so much that I have to see why it sucked. Like Emoji movie and that female Ghostbusters movie. You know you watched it cause you knew it was going to be terrible, but you want to know how bad it really was.

BTW I'm not saying Justice League is a bad movie cause I haven't seen it, but you can see how easy it is to get fooled into watching something that's bad. Star Trek Discovery for example I've already heard it's terrible so I haven't watched it. If I was going to watch it, that's because I want to make sure it really is terrible. If I did watch it then it would be through a torrent.

Keep in mind the movie industry profits from bad movies if I just go watch every movie that seems good or exploits my nostalgia in some way. There is no benefit to myself as a consumer if I just keep supporting this bad business practice. This is why the media is upset over RottenTomatoes cause before anyone goes see any pile of shit movie they'll make damn sure they know its good. Even as a pirate I'll make use of RottenTomatoes and MetaCritic cause I can't be wasting my time downloading crap.
 
zomby said:
btw theatre don't suck, they have nice recliner seats now, which is way better. Imax screen, atmos surround sound and recliner seats makes it all worth it to see a movie on the big screen. ;-) (the only thing I don't do is 3D movies, only Avatar was good in 3D, since than not so much.)
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This is the case if you go to the RIGHT theaters. I personally no longer go to "normal" movie theaters. If there's a movie I want to see, I go to a place where I can have a nice meal and make an event of it, worth the cost. For instance, if the following two are in your area look into them...

www.drafthouse.com - Alamo Drafthouse theaters. By far the best "culture", they show old movies and special events (Nov 5th they showed V for Vendetta), fan stuff... and they also have high quality local, natural food and craft booze, served to you in the theater. Sometimes they even have multi course prix fixe events, like a Bedouin Feast when showing Lawrence of Arabia and an all day Lord of the Rings/The Hobbit multi movie event (ie Second Breakfast, Elevensies, Elven Feast etc..) "Afternoon Tea" is a great way to watch Victorian et al period movies with some unique food options too - great for dates if you're both into that. The only downside is that they don't as of yet have recliners in my local area, but everything else... wow! Food is expensive-ish as one would expect at a theater/restaurant that serves local/organic fare, but the ticket prices are very reasonable about $12 or so when I saw Justice League in their new ultra upgraded Dolby Atmos theater.

www.ipictheaters - Though they lack some of the fandom elements of Alamo, they compare on many of the other features (ie reserved seating, restaurant quality food etc...). Personally I like the Alamo menu better but that's just my preference but theyt're both high quality (note that individual locations have different food and beverage options). Where iPic shines is that they offer the "Premium Plus" seating in the upper deck of each theater, which offer big plush motorized recliners, pillows+blankets, and servers to bring you your food and beverages. You also get popcorn included in ther Premium Plus seating for free. Alas, their side tables are a bit too small in my experience compared to Alamo, but still okay. You add about $10 to step up to Premium Plus.

Compared to normal mass market theaters, these places are way, way more enjoyable. They also have strict no talking rules and toss people out if they're disruptive, as well as not letting anyone in past the previews. Highly recommended!
 
Xaeos said:
This is the case if you go to the RIGHT theaters. I personally no longer go to "normal" movie theaters. If there's a movie I want to see, I go to a place where I can have a nice meal and make an event of it, worth the cost. For instance, if the following two are in your area look into them...

www.drafthouse.com - Alamo Drafthouse theaters. By far the best "culture", they show old movies and special events (Nov 5th they showed V for Vendetta), fan stuff... and they also have high quality local, natural food and craft booze, served to you in the theater. Sometimes they even have multi course prix fixe events, like a Bedouin Feast when showing Lawrence of Arabia and an all day Lord of the Rings/The Hobbit multi movie event (ie Second Breakfast, Elevensies, Elven Feast etc..) "Afternoon Tea" is a great way to watch Victorian et al period movies with some unique food options too - great for dates if you're both into that. The only downside is that they don't as of yet have recliners in my local area, but everything else... wow! Food is expensive-ish as one would expect at a theater/restaurant that serves local/organic fare, but the ticket prices are very reasonable about $12 or so when I saw Justice League in their new ultra upgraded Dolby Atmos theater.

www.ipictheaters - Though they lack some of the fandom elements of Alamo, they compare on many of the other features (ie reserved seating, restaurant quality food etc...). Personally I like the Alamo menu better but that's just my preference but theyt're both high quality (note that individual locations have different food and beverage options). Where iPic shines is that they offer the "Premium Plus" seating in the upper deck of each theater, which offer big plush motorized recliners, pillows+blankets, and servers to bring you your food and beverages. You also get popcorn included in ther Premium Plus seating for free. Alas, their side tables are a bit too small in my experience compared to Alamo, but still okay. You add about $10 to step up to Premium Plus.

Compared to normal mass market theaters, these places are way, way more enjoyable. They also have strict no talking rules and toss people out if they're disruptive, as well as not letting anyone in past the previews. Highly recommended!
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Going to watch a movie at a theater is like writing a letter to send a message to someone. It's old outdated technology that hasn't been needed in decades. It only existed originally because there were no such things as TVs in peoples home. When TV's were a thing, they were too expensive to own. But today not only we're beyond the TV in that a person can own a relatively large size TV for cheap, but even your smart phone can be used as your own personal Netflix or Kodi machine.

As much as you wanna make it an event, I'm more comfortable in my home, relaxing in whatever cloths I can find, eating whatever food I please, and even pausing it to take a shit or piss. Things you can't do in a theater. Only to have the pleasure to watch a movie with a lot of probably annoying people. The only reason this still exists is because the industry is forcing us to use it. It makes them far more money to buy an over priced ticket than for me to wait for it to end up in Netflix. Hopefully it ends up in Netflix, cause if it were a Disney film then it's now going to be on Disney's own service. A trend that will only continue.

But pirates don't have to deal with this as lots of people have torrents of movies after a few days of release. In shit quality usually but it won't be long until the quality is acceptable enough that I don't care. Most movies end up on Blu-Ray in a month or two anyway.
 
DukenukemX said:
Going to watch a movie at a theater is like writing a letter to send a message to someone. It's old outdated technology that hasn't been needed in decades. It only existed originally because there were no such things as TVs in peoples home. When TV's were a thing, they were too expensive to own. But today not only we're beyond the TV in that a person can own a relatively large size TV for cheap, but even your smart phone can be used as your own personal Netflix or Kodi machine.

As much as you wanna make it an event, I'm more comfortable in my home, relaxing in whatever cloths I can find, eating whatever food I please, and even pausing it to take a shit or piss. Things you can't do in a theater. Only to have the pleasure to watch a movie with a lot of probably annoying people. The only reason this still exists is because the industry is forcing us to use it. It makes them far more money to buy an over priced ticket than for me to wait for it to end up in Netflix. Hopefully it ends up in Netflix, cause if it were a Disney film then it's now going to be on Disney's own service. A trend that will only continue.

But pirates don't have to deal with this as lots of people have torrents of movies after a few days of release. In shit quality usually but it won't be long until the quality is acceptable enough that I don't care. Most movies end up on Blu-Ray in a month or two anyway.
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The thing is the theaters I mentioned have evolved, where the rest of the industry pushes higher ticket prices for more or less the same old crap. The last mass market AMC/Regal theater I went to was charging about $15 for a matinee, plus more if it was a 3D showing of some sort! And that's with chemical-faux-butter oversalted "popcorn" and "chain restaurant at absolute best" nastiness concessions available for spending a fortune too.

Your argument could in a way suggest that restaurants would be outmoded because I have a kitchen and can make whatever I want with the ingredients I wish etc... but that doesn't necessarily mean I never want to go to a restaurant. Now, I grant that I'd much prefer my own groceries (more than most people thanks to specific desires for a purity of ingredients), but that doesn't mean I don't want to occasionally eat out or that restaurants are not necessary. Some times I don't feel like cooking, some times I want to eat the kind of cuisine that I'm not comfortable cooking myself or I don't know the particular recipes etc... and such is the case with movies.

When I go to the Alamo/iPic, sure I give up the ability to pause the thing and go to the bathroom, but that's rarely a problem. In return, I get access to some amazing restaurant quality food delivered to my comfortable seat as I like, a strict no talking policy, and a theater AV system that surpassess even the majority of [H] users which can enhance the experience especially of certain types of films. Alamo more than anyone else proves this "movies as a destination/event" thing. They know that I can watch films other than new-releases but people come to see them on the big screen anyway for some unique element - some of them are even meant to be sort of community driven (the only time the no talking policy is rescinded; so called "movie parties" where there are Rocky Horror Picture Show style call-backs, props handed out, and stuff to generally have fun - an "event").

This is not to say that I don't agree with you that the industry, hollywood and major theater conglomerates generally are inferior to being at home with my Kodi box or other media player (and I've love to see faster official releases of theater films etc..) but my point is there are a few theaters that have figured it out that people should go to the theater for a different reason than "because they're forced to do so by the MPAA holding films hostage". If anything it shows how the conventional industry falls down on the job yet again - I won't be "bullied" into seeing a film; I'll wait and "pirate" (though I have legal subscriptions to premium TV channels and streaming services so "piracy" is often format/time shifting for me) . However, give me a great experience and I'll go for that experience to see even an old favorite.
 
Xaeos said:
Your argument could in a way suggest that restaurants would be outmoded because I have a kitchen and can make whatever I want with the ingredients I wish etc... but that doesn't necessarily mean I never want to go to a restaurant.
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Well, millennial's are kinda not eating out as much as cooking food yourself is not the same as having cooked food for you. You would need something like a delivery robot to make a comparison.



This is not to say that I don't agree with you that the industry, hollywood and major theater conglomerates generally are inferior to being at home with my Kodi box or other media player (and I've love to see faster official releases of theater films etc..) but my point is there are a few theaters that have figured it out that people should go to the theater for a different reason than "because they're forced to do so by the MPAA holding films hostage". If anything it shows how the conventional industry falls down on the job yet again - I won't be "bullied" into seeing a film; I'll wait and "pirate" (though I have legal subscriptions to premium TV channels and streaming services so "piracy" is often format/time shifting for me) . However, give me a great experience and I'll go for that experience to see even an old favorite.
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A good way to test this is to release films online for people to see and watch how many people would rather go online than to the theater. Something piracy has done for years without anything legally equivalent. This is the problem that many people don't see, in that piracy usually uses some new advanced technology that circumvents a system. Though not always brand new tech, as pirates could be using something that's decades old. The problem is the industry is usually using much older tech.

Take the mp3 format for example. A technology the community used to take 650MB CDs into something that's like 10-15MB. This in turn resulted in the death of record stores, and the industry refused to adapt. But it didn't stop there, eventually streaming music and YouTube pushed music into yet another business model. The same evolution happened with Movies, as it started with Divx and it's now up to streaming. It turns out it's very easy for someone to stream media, like Plex and EMBY. The pirates just took it another step forward and made a free service. The industry yet again refuses to acknowledge that the technology has forced them to change their business model.

You can have you Music CD's, your DVD's, your Blu-Rays, and your theaters, but the rest of us have moved on. If you want the piracy to stop then give us good alternatives. Just like Netflix did. That is until everyone and their grandma is now trying to be their own unique snowflake Netflix. Back to Kodi it is then.
 
Wow, just wow.

Soooooo, they do not do it the way you (collectively, not pointing at anyone in particular) think they should so you steal/pirate it from them.

I see. How about this? If you do not like the way streaming works today, then start your own service and do it the way you think it should be done. Quit rationalizing the theft of content and actually do something to improve the situation.

I have a Roku. I manage all my subscriptions through it. Easy. I do not mind paying 4 or 5 services. I rather enjoy the ala carte method.
 
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