Intel’s First 10nm Chips Coming in 2017

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Intel had planned to move to 10nm in 2016 but a series of setbacks prevented that from happening, forcing the company to blow up its usual “tick tock” release schedule and stick with 14nm for the past four chip generations. But as 2017 draws to a close, Intel CEO Brian Krzanich says the company is “on track to ship our first low-volume 10-nanometer part by the end of the year.”

Speaking during the company’s most recent earnings call, Krzanich said Intel plans to ramp up production in the first half of 2018, with “high volume and system availability in the second half of 2018.” In other words, the first 10nm chips from Intel are coming this year. But the processors, which are code-named “Cannon Lake,” will only be available in limited quantities and you may have to wait until mid-2018 at the soonest to walk into a store and buy a PC powered by one of the new processors.
 
So Intel pushing 9th gen already? 7,8,9 in one year. Different chipsets, etc. I almost felt bad buying my 6850k last December but I am quite satisfies seeing the issues slamming hardware onto the market is causing.

Next build will probably be a mature amd just to spite the hardware tango
 
10nm is very hard to produce. Like we are reaching the very limit of silicon. Don't be surprised if there's more setbacks.
 
viper1152012 said:
So Intel pushing 9th gen already? 7,8,9 in one year. Different chipsets, etc. I almost felt bad buying my 6850k last December but I am quite satisfies seeing the issues slamming hardware onto the market is causing.

Next build will probably be a mature amd just to spite the hardware tango
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So I guess this year pretty much confirms that Intel has been sitting on 3-4 generations at a time to stretch out sales for years now. Glad there is a reason for them to actually push things out the door now.
 
I'll eventually buy a new laptop when quad core (or better) low power, and full hd for $500.. I may have to wait until 2019, but I think it is coming as AMD and Intel will be competing for the dual core laptop upgrades.
 
viper1152012 said:
So Intel pushing 9th gen already? 7,8,9 in one year. Different chipsets, etc. I almost felt bad buying my 6850k last December but I am quite satisfies seeing the issues slamming hardware onto the market is causing.

Next build will probably be a mature amd just to spite the hardware tango
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The fact that we once again can call a 6850K a obsolete in terms of absolute high performance is a kind reminder to the good old days.
Not that the part is bad, nor that the performance is horrible but that huge leaps have happened.

Intel's march on to deliver parts and oem's confusion and anger to the chipset situation tells us that Intel is in panic mode and their first gen 10 nm doesn't seem very thought out so I assume in will not have proper QA testing( read zen release issues)
while Zen had issues AMD had a 3 year plan carefully mastered and following it.
They are now the leaders in Server and seems to be poised on the Mobile front while delivering a good platform and decent performance on Desktop so AMD surely have tailored their attack not on the desktop but where it counts - Enterprise and mobile.
That Desktop is first is obvious, margin for errors are larger.

2018 sure looks to be interesting but I cannot get rid of the feeling that Anything from Intel before 2018 Q1 is simply throwing their arms around in desperation to a threat they haven't seen for 10 years :)
 
Ultima99 said:
They don't measure it the same. You can Google proper comparisons.
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Some features are slightly larger, some are slightly smaller. That said there is nothing about 10nm intel process on wikichip yet so not much to Google...
 
"Intel had planned to move to 10nm in 2016 but a series of setbacks prevented that from happening", yeah, I call it milking the 14nm cow.
 
N4CR said:
Some features are slightly larger, some are slightly smaller. That said there is nothing about 10nm intel process on wikichip yet so not much to Google...
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There isnt?

https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/10_nm_lithography_process
https://www.semiwiki.com/forum/content/6713-14nm-16nm-10nm-7nm-what-we-know-now.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10_nanometer

Besides, you could compare 14nm, or the last couple nodes, and see Intel has had better specs. 10 != 10 just like 14 != 14.
 
ChadD said:
So I guess this year pretty much confirms that Intel has been sitting on 3-4 generations at a time to stretch out sales for years now. Glad there is a reason for them to actually push things out the door now.
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No, they've been struggling to produce 10nm for years. They aren't sitting on shit, they've just burned out their human capital in the development process.
 
Curious...Intel is claiming record sales, yet they are quickly obsoleting old products and pushing node sizes out the door that haven't scaled up yet.

Somebody is worried about competition.
 
DigitalGriffin said:
Curious...Intel is claiming record sales, yet they are quickly obsoleting old products and pushing node sizes out the door that haven't scaled up yet.

Somebody is worried about competition.
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Is it different than how it has been in the past? If not, then....
 
swetmore said:
I'll eventually buy a new laptop when quad core (or better) low power, and full hd for $500.. I may have to wait until 2019, but I think it is coming as AMD and Intel will be competing for the dual core laptop upgrades.
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I thought that will be out in a month from AMD.
 
Shintai said:
Is it different than how it has been in the past? If not, then....
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Yes it is different than the past. When was the last time Intel paper launched, or launched with limited availability in the consumer space? Last time that happened was when they were doing MHz races with the original Athlon.

In one year these new platforms have been launched: Z270, Z370, X299, and now 10nm in LIMITED availability (Which Intel has never done with the i series.). This is unprecedented, you can't deny this.
 
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swetmore said:
I'll eventually buy a new laptop when quad core (or better) low power, and full hd for $500.. I may have to wait until 2019, but I think it is coming as AMD and Intel will be competing for the dual core laptop upgrades.
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Raven Ridge (Ryzen CPU cores with Radeon Vega gpu) APUs are starting to trickle out now, expect some in laptops before BF. HP Envy one already leaked. These should be nice $500ish bargain gaming machines, can't wait to upgrade my old i3 and i5 laptops.

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-5-2500u-raven-ridge-apu-with-radeon-vega-m-gpu-spotted/
 
ChadD said:
So I guess this year pretty much confirms that Intel has been sitting on 3-4 generations at a time to stretch out sales for years now. Glad there is a reason for them to actually push things out the door now.
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One more reason to give AMD money, just to be dicks like intel is to us.
 
spintroniX said:
No, they've been struggling to produce 10nm for years. They aren't sitting on shit, they've just burned out their human capital in the development process.
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Have they really though ? We where and have been taking their word on that for a long time while all the time buying up what they where selling. Then AMD makes a come back and we start getting new cores more cores and multiple chipsets driving all of it all within months.

My guess would be they had a few issues with 10mn which they could have solved long ago if they had reason to. There was just not real need as long as people where happy to buy up 3-4% performance boosts per generation.
 
ChadD said:
Have they really though ? We where and have been taking their word on that for a long time while all the time buying up what they where selling. Then AMD makes a come back and we start getting new cores more cores and multiple chipsets driving all of it all within months.

My guess would be they had a few issues with 10mn which they could have solved long ago if they had reason to. There was just not real need as long as people where happy to buy up 3-4% performance boosts per generation.
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Speak for yourself because we don't all share your opinion.
 
Burticus said:
Raven Ridge (Ryzen CPU cores with Radeon Vega gpu) APUs are starting to trickle out now, expect some in laptops before BF. HP Envy one already leaked. These should be nice $500ish bargain gaming machines, can't wait to upgrade my old i3 and i5 laptops.

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-5-2500u-raven-ridge-apu-with-radeon-vega-m-gpu-spotted/
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Good deal, my Dell e6410 with 1st gen core i7 620m is slightly getting long in the tooth lol.. I really only use it as a casual web browser which it does fine, but it is a heavy and hot slug...battery life is 2 hours at best with the extended pack.
 
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N4CR said:
Some features are slightly larger, some are slightly smaller. That said there is nothing about 10nm intel process on wikichip yet so not much to Google...
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True. But here is an idea about what to expect based on this slide of 14nm tech:

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The logic cell height of the 16nm design is actually smaller that "some other" 14nm...and when you compare the three designs that are called 14nm - 16nm is called 14nm in some texts - they all have different transistor densities. 20nm is only .04 less dense than 16nm, but since the 16nm is finfet, you can expect better power consumption.

I so totally get caught up when thinking about why the process is even called 14nm. Guess what will happen when 10nm is finally out :confused:
 
One day Intel/AMD will finally give me a reason to upgrade from my X58 Xeon. Either that or this 8 year old hardware will finally shit the bed.
 
Has anyone opened up their cpu and measured the transistors? Just thinking how easy some bait and switch could be...

;)
 
"AMD introduces mildly competitive platform, and Intel suddenly fixes 10nm!" -AMD Zealot

Really though, Intel took the stock hit when they repeatedly released that they were having trouble with 10nm and were going to extend their 14nm process- which they did twice. 10nm products would make Intel both more competitive against themselves, so that consumers will upgrade for performance, battery life, and efficiency, while also increasing their own margins.

It's just plain silly to pin this on something AMD did, given the massive lead time for these products. Up until Ryzen was released, we know that Intel was competing solely with their previous products for new sales, and it was well into that time that the products currently available and being released were planned and developed.
 
c3k said:
Has anyone opened up their cpu and measured the transistors? Just thinking how easy some bait and switch could be...

;)
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Not really. Can you imagine what kinds of lawsuits would happen if they tried to push a product that wasn't what they claimed?
 
grtitan said:
Well, his comment makes sense to me, but like you said, not all of us share YOUR opinion either.
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And that's exactly why I didn't make any blanket statements about it everyone elses opinion.
 
DigitalGriffin said:
Yes it is different than the past. When was the last time Intel paper launched, or launched with limited availability in the consumer space? Last time that happened was when they were doing MHz races with the original Athlon.

In one year these new platforms have been launched: Z270, Z370, X299, and now 10nm in LIMITED availability (Which Intel has never done with the i series.). This is unprecedented, you can't deny this.
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Broadwell launched with limited availability.
 
DigitalGriffin said:
Yes it is different than the past. When was the last time Intel paper launched, or launched with limited availability in the consumer space? Last time that happened was when they were doing MHz races with the original Athlon.

In one year these new platforms have been launched: Z270, Z370, X299, and now 10nm in LIMITED availability (Which Intel has never done with the i series.). This is unprecedented, you can't deny this.
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If you refer to high demand, Skylake for once.
 
IdiotInCharge said:
"AMD introduces mildly competitive platform, and Intel suddenly fixes 10nm!" -AMD Zealot

Really though, Intel took the stock hit when they repeatedly released that they were having trouble with 10nm and were going to extend their 14nm process- which they did twice. 10nm products would make Intel both more competitive against themselves, so that consumers will upgrade for performance, battery life, and efficiency, while also increasing their own margins.

It's just plain silly to pin this on something AMD did, given the massive lead time for these products. Up until Ryzen was released, we know that Intel was competing solely with their previous products for new sales, and it was well into that time that the products currently available and being released were planned and developed.
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Intel stock at Zen release ~36$, Intel stock now ~44$
AMD stock at Zen release ~14$, AMD stock now ~11$

Forums and reality is as far from one another as ever ;)
 
One thing I've taken away with the recent Intel releases is that they had a reaction to the AMD Zen releases by pushing up the release of 6 core CPU's, but the more recent releases look to be due to their processes coming through, not so much due to Zen. So its a give and take situation.

Zen caused some competition and didn't. They didn't do anything to lower prices that's for sure lol.
 
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