GHOST S1 - When both size & performance matters

Pachalski said:
QuantumBraced you are making some very convincing points and we defiantly understand them. There are several benefits to the case being wider than before other than the CPU clearance, even the Li9 performs better with some additional head-room.

This exact topic has been discussed on other forums as well. The case width was increased to accommodate the NH-L9x65, there was never any talk of the L12 earlier. When we tested everything in practice it proved to fit the L12 - great, a nice bonus! There will always be a better air cooler option out there but as Yourflyisdwn said the water cooling option is there for the performance junkies
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May I ask if I'm safe to buy the older L12 for this case and have no problems in regards of turbulence?

Also, thank you so much for the incredible design! I'm really looking forward :D
 
HFoletto said:
May I ask if I'm safe to buy the older L12 for this case and have no problems in regards of turbulence?

Also, thank you so much for the incredible design! I'm really looking forward :D
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Since you would have to use either the included 92mm fan in the lower position, or (depending on your RAM clearance) a slim 120mm fan in the lower position, and because there is zero room for any fan in the top position; there should be no turbulence issues whatsoever...
 
QuantumBraced said:
This has probably been asked before, but would it be possible in a future revision to move the PSU up a bit to accommodate a 120 AIO + slim 120mm fan under it? The A4-SFX v2 will allow for a 92mm AIO to be installed under the PSU, and the Ghost S1 allows for a 120mm mount in that spot, which would make watercooling possible without a top hat. I understand that would create internal competition between the different configs of the case, but it would be pretty cool, probably would make it the smallest case that accommodates a 120mm AIO.
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It's definitely possible. In fact we could easily do this in the launching version, just add a couple of screw holes and increase the opening size in the blade - done! However, placing an AIO in the bottom in that position is very tough with the routing of pipes. I'm not saying it is impossible but it requires some serious skills and patience.

It would also require the user to use a non standard power cord elbow. Currently the C13 power connector is ~29 mm tall above the PSU. The space underneath the modular power connectors in the bottom is ~26 mm. Moving the PSU up about 10 mm would create a space of ~36 mm in the bottom. would that be enough?
 
dondan said:
With a length of 150-160mm a 120mm radiator is longer as the psu and will collide with the motherboard.
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True, there is not much more than 120 mm of horizontal space in the opening in front of the motherboard.
 
HFoletto said:
May I ask if I'm safe to buy the older L12 for this case and have no problems in regards of turbulence?

Also, thank you so much for the incredible design! I'm really looking forward :D
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We are currently conducting a more thorough CPU heat sink test (AIR) that will show you different alternatives and how they work in the case. We hope to publish the results today. In short, the L12 is great and even under full load you'll barely be able to hear it.
 
Pachalski said:
It's definitely possible. In fact we could easily do this in the launching version, just add a couple of screw holes and increase the opening size in the blade - done! However, placing an AIO in the bottom in that position is very tough with the routing of pipes. I'm not saying it is impossible but it requires some serious skills and patience.

It would also require the user to use a non standard power cord elbow. Currently the C13 power connector is ~29 mm tall above the PSU. The space underneath the modular power connectors in the bottom is ~26 mm. Moving the PSU up about 10 mm would create a space of ~36 mm in the bottom. would that be enough?
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I think that's definitely worth adding. 120mm AIO cooling without adding any additional volume to the case is huge. It will really differentiate the case from the competition. Could you do some testing of that?

36mm doesn't seem like it would be enough. Most AIO radiators are 27mm + a 15mm Noctua NF-A12x15 (which is what people would want to use) = 42mm. I assume the PSU is so far down currently to accommodate water cooling pipes. Could you include additional mounting holes for the PSU that would place it much higher? There are much slimmer C13 connectors, like the one used in the M1 and A4-SFX, yours is enormous haha.

With placement, I'm imagining people would install the AIO first, then the PSU bracket with all cables installed, and have all the cables routed out the top behind the PSU for maximum airflow (except for those cables that won't reach that way).
 
Time to share the results from the Heat sink test http://louqe.com/img/img/ext/ext/GhostS1CPUheatSinkTest.pdf

Note that we have measured the noise levels closer to the case this time and on the CPU-side in order ger more articulated results

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Pachalski said:
Time to share the results from the Heat sink test http://louqe.com/img/img/ext/ext/GhostS1CPUheatSinkTest.pdf

Note that we have measured the noise levels closer to the case this time and on the CPU-side in order ger more articulated results

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You state both the 7700K and the 7700 in the setup description, could you clarify which one it is? Thanks, looks good, glad I bought an L12 ahead of time in preparation for this case.
 
Pachalski said:
We are currently conducting a more thorough CPU heat sink test (AIR) that will show you different alternatives and how they work in the case. We hope to publish the results today. In short, the L12 is great and even under full load you'll barely be able to hear it.
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Thank you so much for the reply! It truly means alot :D

Pachalski said:
Time to share the results from the Heat sink test http://louqe.com/img/img/ext/ext/GhostS1CPUheatSinkTest.pdf

Note that we have measured the noise levels closer to the case this time and on the CPU-side in order ger more articulated results
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Amazing document, thank you!

Seems like besides the L9i, none surpassed the 80˚C limit, which is great! I think I'd opt for the L12 since it's the quiest and still high performance.

May I ask: If I traded the bottom fan for a 2.5" Drive, would the temps be significantly affected?

Yourflyisdwn said:
You state both the 7700K and the 7700 in the setup description, could you clarify which one it is? Thanks, looks good, glad I bought an L12 ahead of time in preparation for this case.
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Also interested in this issue.
 
Pachalski said:
Time to share the results from the Heat sink test http://louqe.com/img/img/ext/ext/GhostS1CPUheatSinkTest.pdf

Note that we have measured the noise levels closer to the case this time and on the CPU-side in order ger more articulated results

GhostHeatSinkTestAll.png
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They did a similar test on SFF for the Lazer3D LZ7, with similiar results. The Lazer has nearly the same cooler clearance so similar coolers were used. The Big Shuriken was the overall winner as far as cooling went but the Noctua NH-L12 was actually picked as the overall winner, due to almost as good of performance and being very quiet.
 
rfarmer said:
They did a similar test on SFF for the Lazer3D LZ7, with similiar results. The Lazer has nearly the same cooler clearance so similar coolers were used. The Big Shuriken was the overall winner as far as cooling went but the Noctua NH-L12 was actually picked as the overall winner, due to almost as good of performance and being very quiet.
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I wonder how a Big Shuriken with an NF-A12x15 performs compared to an L12.
 
Yourflyisdwn said:
You state both the 7700K and the 7700 in the setup description, could you clarify which one it is? Thanks, looks good, glad I bought an L12 ahead of time in preparation for this case.
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Thanks, good catch! Shows you really read all the important stuff! It is now updated and it's supposed to be 7700k.
 
HFoletto said:
Thank you so much for the reply! It truly means alot :D

Amazing document, thank you!

Seems like besides the L9i, none surpassed the 80˚C limit, which is great! I think I'd opt for the L12 since it's the quiest and still high performance.

May I ask: If I traded the bottom fan for a 2.5" Drive, would the temps be significantly affected?

Also interested in this issue.
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The different setups with fans in the bottom and top have been tested in an earlier test, the results showed a small difference, check it out here if you have missed it:

http://louqe.com/img/img/ext/ext/alphatest.pdf
 
QuantumBraced said:
I wonder how a Big Shuriken with an NF-A12x15 performs compared to an L12.
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What do you mean? That is exactly what we have done, swapped the original Big Shuriken fan for the NF-A12x15. Or did you mean that this test shows that?
 
Maybe I missed it but what are the actual dimensions on the GPU side? I know it says dual slot so does that mean 48 mm? 50?

Looking forward to joining the Kickstarter for this, looks great so far!
 
The L12 really shines, I'm glad I ordered one. I'm very surprised it performs that well with only that puny bottom fan, at such a low noise level.
 
Pachalski said:
The different setups with fans in the bottom and top have been tested in an earlier test, the results showed a small difference, check it out here if you have missed it:

http://louqe.com/img/img/ext/ext/alphatest.pdf
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Thank you!

I actually read this one before, I didn't realise it was with the L12 too. Nice!

Seems like I'm safe to buy the L12 for this case, now I have only to find a way to get it shipped to Brazil.

Thank you again :D
 
Pachalski said:
What do you mean? That is exactly what we have done, swapped the original Big Shuriken fan for the NF-A12x15. Or did you mean that this test shows that?
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Oh sorry, I missed the graphic.

Just curious, will the L12 fit with an NF-A12x15 underneath if using RAM with no heatsinks?
 
HFoletto said:
Thank you!

I actually read this one before, I didn't realise it was with the L12 too. Nice!

Seems like I'm safe to buy the L12 for this case, now I have only to find a way to get it shipped to Brazil.

Thank you again :D
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A way to get the case shipped or the L12? We will ship the Ghost to you, but be aware of the nasty Brazilian import taxes! We have gotten attention from several individuals in Brazil, what is it that makes the case so interesting for Brazilians, my guess is the aesthetics since I've gotten the impression you are more vain than most. Sorry if I offended anyone!
 
Maxed said:
So when is the next scheduled kick starter?
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The launch is dependent on the delivery of the pre-production batch, we talked to the factory today and they are on schedule. As soon as we get them (hopefully November 3:rd) we will start the count down.
 
Pachalski said:
A way to get the case shipped or the L12? We will ship the Ghost to you, but be aware of the nasty Brazilian import taxes! We have gotten attention from several individuals in Brazil, what is it that makes the case so interesting for Brazilians, my guess is the aesthetics since I've gotten the impression you are more vain than most. Sorry if I offended anyone!
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The L12! I know you are nice enough to ship worldwide :D

About attention from Brazil, I'm actually surprised, I wouldn't imagine that at all, hahaha. Btw, I contact you through Instagram about 2 weeks ago, so maybe you counted me twice.

For me at least the ghost is impressive because it's compact, surprising beautiful yet doesn't compromise so much in terms of cooling. I'm also looking the Thor Mjolnir case, but I don't think it will be as nice as the Ghost. It will probably fry a 95W CPU...
 
Hm, okay. So VLP memory is 18.8mm tall, and it seemed like there was about 1mm of clearance between the RAM and the 25mm fan in that picture. So there would have been 11mm of clearance with a 15mm fan. Regular RAM without heatsinks is 31.25mm. So 18.8mm + 11mm = 29.8mm. So no, the slim fan would not fit with regular RAM by 1.45mm. Unless there was like 1.5mm of clearance in that picture, then perhaps with a little bit of force it could fit... I guess this is why Noctua moved the new version up 4mm...

But I'm also noticing that the fan barely overlaps with the RAM in these pictures. Couldn't you just move it over slightly, you'd still cover over 90% of the heatsink.
 
QuantumBraced said:
But I'm also noticing that the fan barely overlaps with the RAM in these pictures. Couldn't you just move it over slightly, you'd still cover over 90% of the heatsink.
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Could work (if some alternative mounting mechanism is used). But I wonder if 90% coverage with a 120x15mm fan will have better cooling efficiency in practice than the default 92x25mm fan (or is it just 80x25?). I guess somebody will just have to test it. :)
 
QuantumBraced said:
Hm, okay. So VLP memory is 18.8mm tall, and it seemed like there was about 1mm of clearance between the RAM and the 25mm fan in that picture. So there would have been 11mm of clearance with a 15mm fan. Regular RAM without heatsinks is 31.25mm. So 18.8mm + 11mm = 29.8mm. So no, the slim fan would not fit with regular RAM by 1.45mm. Unless there was like 1.5mm of clearance in that picture, then perhaps with a little bit of force it could fit... I guess this is why Noctua moved the new version up 4mm...

But I'm also noticing that the fan barely overlaps with the RAM in these pictures. Couldn't you just move it over slightly, you'd still cover over 90% of the heatsink.
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Hm, Is this wrong then?
Vlad502 said:
You can fit DDR4 without heatspreader 31.2mm
With this measure:https://hardforum.com/threads/dan-h...50mm-heatsink.1925480/page-12#post-1042965038

From PCB MB to topside CPU = 7.3mm
Heatsink height = 66mm
Fin array height = 23mm (66-43)
PCB MB to DDR4 socket buttom = 2.4mm
Fan=15mm

7.3+66=>73.3-23-2.4-15=>32.9mm max height memory
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4790K vs 6700K IHS
I think IHS height is the answer here
 
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Pachalski said:
The fan is sucking air into the case, I guess it is pull. We accidentally mounted the fan the other way around and it became significantly louder and hotter.
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how many degree hotter than “push” ?
Isn't “pull” will suck the dust inside through time ?
 
Oh I see, so Skylake or later should fit? Awesome. You'd need the L12S mounting bracket though.

I wish DDR4 VLP was more of a thing. I know there are a few modules out there, but very hard to find and expensive. Fitting an NF-F12 under the L12 is a massive upgrade.
 
I`m not sure for what socket measurement is 7.3mm. EDIT: It is like minimum height: AM4 Socket Dimensions Help Needed
L12S bracket? I guess, you mean A12x15 fan mounting wires

kingtron said:
how many degree hotter than “push” ?
Isn't “pull” will suck the dust inside through time ?
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I`m curious too. About dust, all tested coolers pull air through the side panel. They are working on filters:
https://smallformfactor.net/forum/t...f-case-louqe-ghost-s1.1781/page-26#post-67909
 
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kingtron said:
how many degree hotter than “push” ?
Isn't “pull” will suck the dust inside through time ?
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We didn't run any test with it mounted in push (blowing out air through side) the fan spooled up significantly to a point where we were thinking "what's wrong?". The entire idea is to create a chimney like effect where hot air escapes through the top, flipping the fan counteracts this.
 
kingtron said:
how many degree hotter than “push” ?
Isn't “pull” will suck the dust inside through time ?
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Regarding dust and filters. We are developing dust filters for the case. DEMCifilter SA have been included in the development process and we have adjusted the side panels to work with their filters. They are expensive and since many users will not use side filter due to air flow restrictions it might not make sense to include their filters in the pack. Either way they will be available in time. Other filters from different suppliers are being tested as well, these are significantly cheaper and would be easier to include. What is your opinion?
 
Pachalski said:
Regarding dust and filters. We are developing dust filters for the case. DEMCifilter SA have been included in the development process and we have adjusted the side panels to work with their filters. They are expensive and since many users will not use side filter due to air flow restrictions it might not make sense to include their filters in the pack. Either way they will be available in time. Other filters from different suppliers are being tested as well, these are significantly cheaper and would be easier to include. What is your opinion?
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I personally wouldn't use them, and since one of the biggest issues with many SFF cases is airflow and temperature, I think most people would opt to keep filters off even if they were included. Would it be possible to make them an option during the Kickstarter? That would definitely benefit everyone but I don't know the logistics of including an option like that.
 
Yourflyisdwn said:
I personally wouldn't use them, and since one of the biggest issues with many SFF cases is airflow and temperature, I think most people would opt to keep filters off even if they were included. Would it be possible to make them an option during the Kickstarter? That would definitely benefit everyone but I don't know the logistics of including an option like that.
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Sure, this is a good option even though it would either cause more pledge levels that could be confusing or we would let backers order them on the side after pledging. Either way, we will come up with a good solution.
 
Yourflyisdwn said:
I personally wouldn't use them, and since one of the biggest issues with many SFF cases is airflow and temperature, I think most people would opt to keep filters off even if they were included. Would it be possible to make them an option during the Kickstarter? That would definitely benefit everyone but I don't know the logistics of including an option like that.
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I'm kinda new to building pcs, may I ask why wouldn't you use them?

Thank you!
 
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