Amazon Introduces "Amazon Key" In Home Delivery

Show of hands, how many people have heard of shipping horror stories?

Now, how many of you are going to let those dipshits come into your house?

Reasons this is a fucking garbage idea:
  1. Muddy footwear
  2. Theft
  3. THEFT
  4. Animals
  5. Destruction of property
  6. Letting OTHER people in
  7. Squatting
  8. Scoping of a place for future theft
  9. Why the fuck do they need to come indoors anyways? Use a milk-drop style thing for deliveries already!
 
Those in fear look for protection. Protection from nothing is paranoia.

The US is fueled by fear - be it terrorism, religion being stolen, people of another color/culture. Fear brings about irrational thought. Irrational thought results in neo-nationalism like Trump.

What I said was not an argument but rather a statement of observed truth.

For anyone living in an opium fueled hell hole, move.

Wow that's uncalled for... And so many uninformed assumptions. Hard to imagine people consider you a human being let along having any amount of intelligence...

Lol wut?
 

:D

Having your shit stolen is all a state of mind maaaaaannnnnn!!! It's the neo-nationalist culture of fear clouding your eyes man! Your shit's been sitting right inside your door, and you didn't even know it!
 
Not only no, not only hell no, but ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...

This is a very BAD idea that is going to cost Amazon some money when something stupid happens, which you know it is going to.
 
Not only no, not only hell no, but ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...

This is a very BAD idea that is going to cost Amazon some money when something stupid happens, which you know it is going to.

Exactly. That's just the thing. It will probably be totally fine for 99% of transactions. However, the one thing that does go wrong will probably involve the SWAT team and a massacre or something.
 
Nope, nope, and nope. No one in my house when I'm not there, other than family and close friends.

Their new camera is yet another example fo what's wrong with the whole IoT as currently being done - you can;t do much of anything with it without a subscription. WHY OH WHY does every thermostat, camera, smoke alarm, motion sensor, etc. have to go DIRECTLY to some web site? That stuff should send data to a local hub of some sort and ONLY that hub communicate with the Internet at large. Easier security.
 
Oh hell no! With all those other keyless entry systems having problems im sure as hell not putting one of these on my door. Good old fashioned keys for me/
 
What we're actually talking about is someone being GUARANTEED fired from what I've heard is a pretty decent job on the off chance that he'll spot your Faberge egg collection and come back and steal it later, for which he would immediately be the prime suspect, if he weren't already being prosecuted for just wandering around your house without permission in the first place.

Of course it helps stop someone from committing the fraud. This isn't some rando breaking and entering. Amazon/Fedex/Whoever, and therefore the police, knows exactly who they are and you have video evidence showing exactly what they're doing.

You're paranoid.

I wish I had your optimism that this system is fool proof and would NEVER result in misuse. You realize there is a lot of stuff that is illegal and will result in jail time but people do it anyways.
 
I have an under-50% success rate at getting packages delivered by an Amazon courier. It's either gone by the time I get home, or it never showed up in the first place. I can be working at home by the window and see the status change to "Delivered". No package, no truck. Even Amazon's own site says "delivered" doesn't mean it was delivered - "in rare cases packages may say delivered up to 36 hours prior to arrival". My loss rate means an Amazon courier will be one of the last people I give a key to the door. (I'm sure the dog would love to have someone to chase down the street, though.)

I'm surprised their legal department didn't fire everyone involved in this after the first memo. On one side you have the risk of burglaries and assaults from couriers, on the other you're going to have couriers getting shot or attacked by dogs (and the first time a courier kills a dog is going to cost them millions). Their money should have gone towards developing something like an armored doggie door that opens for an RFID box.
 
Oh hell no! With all those other keyless entry systems having problems im sure as hell not putting one of these on my door. Good old fashioned keys for me/

Good old fashioned door locks can usually be picked open in less time than it'd take to hack your keyless system.
 
so they just leave it inside the door.

plus they are recorded on camera.

and if they have clay, they can make an imprint of your door key and duplicate and come back later to rob you

oh wait, it's a smart keyless lock.
 
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Sounds almost as bad as the app that lets randos into your house to walk your dog while you are at work.
 
LOL WUT? Since when does this key cloud camera have the name and address of the person its recording? Stop the 1 case scenario you are being extremely narrow minded. I also mis-typed and meant to say in the above quote there are other criminals that are not the delivery guy.

So you're saying that UPS and Fedex employ people without knowing their name or address?

I'm starting to think you have serious cogitation problems.

Yes, there are other criminals that are not the delivery guy. There could be a rapist hiding in the bushes outside your house right now. But that's not what we're talking about, are we?
 
I wish I had your optimism that this system is fool proof and would NEVER result in misuse. You realize there is a lot of stuff that is illegal and will result in jail time but people do it anyways.

Strawman. It isn't foolproof and there probably will be misuse cases but it's quite probable that they'll be incredibly rare for the reasons I've already outlined. And regardless, the "omg they're gonna case your house" is just a retarded argument. UPS only has to open the door a foot to slide a 12" package into my house. They won't see shit. Whereas if I'm home and answer the door I pretty much open it all the way and they could see all the priceless family heirlooms I have arranged in the foyer. If they've got employees that stand in the wide open doorway for 5 minutes peering around like they're trying to evaluate a locker on storage wars I'm pretty sure those people are gonna get fired pretty rapidly.
 
Hi All

Who the Hell comes up with these ideas? Isn't there someone in the meeting that says No, it's a bad idea?
 
Strawman. It isn't foolproof and there probably will be misuse cases but it's quite probable that they'll be incredibly rare for the reasons I've already outlined. And regardless, the "omg they're gonna case your house" is just a retarded argument. UPS only has to open the door a foot to slide a 12" package into my house. They won't see shit. Whereas if I'm home and answer the door I pretty much open it all the way and they could see all the priceless family heirlooms I have arranged in the foyer. If they've got employees that stand in the wide open doorway for 5 minutes peering around like they're trying to evaluate a locker on storage wars I'm pretty sure those people are gonna get fired pretty rapidly.

You sure do tailor your examples.

How do you know how far they open your door? Is there an "AjarTrack-O-Meter" included in that kit that alerts Amazon, courier company and authorities if the door opens all the way?

Is someone monitoring EVERYONE's cameras to make sure the guy didn't take a step inside and take a quick peek around?

UPS and FedEx are NOT the only people delivering for Amazon either. I get random private package drivers quite a bit which seems like it would still be a probable scenario.

I don't want to deal with the possibility after the fact. I want to prevent the possibility in the first place.
 
You sure do tailor your examples.

How do you know how far they open your door? Is there an "AjarTrack-O-Meter" included in that kit that alerts Amazon, courier company and authorities if the door opens all the way?

Is someone monitoring EVERYONE's cameras to make sure the guy didn't take a step inside and take a quick peek around?

UPS and FedEx are NOT the only people delivering for Amazon either. I get random private package drivers quite a bit which seems like it would still be a probable scenario.

I don't want to deal with the possibility after the fact. I want to prevent the possibility in the first place.

The someone monitoring it is YOU and you know how far they opened the door because there's VIDEO. How do you not get that?
 
I do get that, but you seem to think that this keeps anyone from doing something they shouldn't. Ranging from a peek around that may not really appear dangerous up to them just walking right in if they're a bit more brazen.

It's just not worth me thinking about strangers opening my door.
 
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I'm afraid of that guy with the dark glasses in the white van across the street, but you know... I get on with my life.
 
I'm afraid of that guy with the dark glasses in the white van across the street, but you know... I get on with my life.

As long as the van doesn't say "Free Candy" on the side of it, you should be OK. Better tripwire your door with a shotgun just to be safe though :wacky:
 
As long as the van doesn't say "Free Candy" on the side of it, you should be OK. Better tripwire your door with a shotgun just to be safe though :wacky:

Oh I did. I had to show the kids where the wire is. Only had to yell "hit the dirt" once. We are all set for that motherfucker now though. I just looked through the blinds (we don't have blinds :D ) and everything's cool. It's cool... ...cool...,
 
On that note (my wife and her lovely friends are bartenders) I have to bow out until tomorrow. They've plied me with five excellent whiskeys, and my arguments in this thread shall diminish.
 
Show of hands, how many people have heard of shipping horror stories?

Now, how many of you are going to let those dipshits come into your house?

Reasons this is a fucking garbage idea:
  1. Muddy footwear
  2. Theft
  3. THEFT
  4. Animals
  5. Destruction of property
  6. Letting OTHER people in
  7. Squatting
  8. Scoping of a place for future theft
  9. Why the fuck do they need to come indoors anyways? Use a milk-drop style thing for deliveries already!

Given that everything is recorded, and some people already have camera systems that cover more areas than the Amazon cam does, it could work for SOME people. Obviously, it's not without an element of risk. This is something you have to opt-in on, and I don't see a problem with that.
 
Yes, gonna pass on this one. This is same as walmarts grocery delivery where they enter your house.
 
I have 2 problems with this program.
1. The delivery guys are not Amazon employees. They are contractors. Any Joe Blow can go sign up to be the delivery guy at flex.amazon.com
2. These Cloud Cam's work on WiFi. A good WiFi jammer would disable the recording. There would be zilch evidence that the guy has thoroughly inspected your house.
 
That's a good point too. Having a little locked vestibule type thing would be great for this. If I framed in my front porch, I could see doing something like this. They could have the key to that, but not into the main house.
Yeah I've thought of having a lockbox outside that a delivery guy can put stuff in, and close the lid hence locking it. Nice if you are expecting a single package, no need to give a key to anyone, once it shuts it's locked. Of course if you're the type to get multiple packages in a given day it would be less effective.
 
A person see's an Amazon delivery coming to your house and knows that the person has access to your house....your package gets stolen...the delivery person gets robbed or more....and stuff in your house is stolen. ...
 
I'm sorry but that has to be the dumbest idea a delivery company could come up with.

What would an insurance company say when you reported a robbery and stated that a third party had access to your house? That's their wet dream. Blame Amazon.

What about dags? My late dog would kill any random person walking in.

What if some dumb nut job forgets Amazon has access to his house and simply shoots the guy before realizing?

I've skimmed the article and I'm actually not concerned about couch sniffers or robbers because the delivery is recorder and/or streamed and also it's up to Amazon to actually open the house for the delivery guy.

I think a better way would be to provide some sort of hubs in neighbourhoods where the delivery guys will be able to securely store the package and allow the receipient to pick it up.
 
I think a better way would be to provide some sort of hubs in neighbourhoods where the delivery guys will be able to securely store the package and allow the receipient to pick it up.
You mean Amazon lockers? They're pretty good, but do have limitations.
 
You mean Amazon lockers? They're pretty good, but do have limitations.

Oh, I didn't know what exists in America. Well alright then. We have something like this in my town but there are only three of them, and you are unable to ship stuff if they're full because someone is slacking with picking his things up.
 
In the UK, a lot of sellers offer delivery/pick up at a centralized hub services e.g. Argos, Noodle. Works out overall for everyone in my experience (except for maybe the delivery companies): cheaper shipping, easier pick up, locations are everywhere and often open late. It's really the only way I can get packages with my work hours.

There are also Amazon lockers, but they always seem to be in inconvenient locations and limited in what you can get delivered.

No way I'd let a random delivery guy in my house. I would even feel weird about letting our local postman in and we're friendly and on a first name basis.
 
Show of hands, how many people have heard of shipping horror stories?

Now, how many of you are going to let those dipshits come into your house?

Reasons this is a fucking garbage idea:
  1. Muddy footwear
  2. Theft
  3. THEFT
  4. Animals
  5. Destruction of property
  6. Letting OTHER people in
  7. Squatting
  8. Scoping of a place for future theft
  9. Why the fuck do they need to come indoors anyways? Use a milk-drop style thing for deliveries already!

10. Satanic rituals ("the blood of the goat must be spilled" and all that)
11. Alien abduction
12. Chupicapra
13. Snakes and badgers
14. Wormholes to alternate Cthuthlu universes
15. If the deliver person is a vampire, you're technically inviting them inside
16. Mother-in-law sneaking in while door is open
 
Jeff Bezos, and therefore Amazon and The Washington Post, are in bed with the CIA, and so this would be like letting the CIA into your house.

http://www.accuracy.org/release/cia-cloud-over-jeff-bezoss-washington-post/
http://www.businessinsider.com/cia-600-million-deal-for-amazons-cloud-2013-3
http://www.worldtribune.com/bezos-i...h-twice-what-he-paid-for-the-washington-post/

I bet this service would be a real boon for US intelligence investigations, and, obviously, Amazon, or US agencies could spoof the tracking mechanism to make it appear the delivery person was in the house for less time than they were, and that they didn't go into the house as far as they could have.

Also, who knows what might be left in a targeted person's house - like a microphone, or movement tracking?

After all, the US gov't did leverage Best Buy employees to snoop on people's PCs without a warrant, and Best Buy isn't even the largest business partner of the CIA, unlike Jeff Bezos.

http://fortune.com/2017/03/12/rbi-best-buy-geek-squad/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-computer-technicians-looking-for-child-porn/
http://bgr.com/2017/03/10/best-buy-fbi-geek-squad-lawsuit/

Remember, CIA, NSA, FBI have hacked entire brands of routers, implanted monitoring devices on server hardware, used Best Buy's Geek Squad as an illegal spy service to snoop on people's PCs, used the NSA to conduct warrantless surveillance on US citizens, and much more. Any opening that the CIA and other US intel agencies have, they take and exploit to the fullest extent, without exception.

Such a delivery service from Amazon, who are the CIA's largest business partner, and whose CEO, Jeff Bezos in bed with the CIA, would give free access for the CIA to potentially millions of peoples' houses.
 
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