Star Citizen - media blowout, Chris Robert's new game

ScYcS said:
One of these days Wildace and Lorien will understand and then they will snap and go ballistic on Chris Roberts.
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I would need to be under stress in order to snap.

They could shut the door tomorrow, but i would just keep doing what i do every day. My life does not revolve around the success or failure of this project. nor do i care about the money spent on it.

People spend money on worst things in life, from drugs to hookers or gamble it away at a casino.

Giving a guy that has a shared dream a chance even if it ends up a failure is ok with me.

Stop worrying about things in life so much and you might be happy person one day.
 
Wildace said:
It is understandable to not hear much about it tho when they are wanting to protect the story and its locations.
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Oh bullshit. CIG could easily show a demo which does not reveal the story/plot. Just like any other "AAA" game that has ever existed.

They aren't showing anything related to SQ42 because all basic mechanics (which are derived from SC) are horribly broken.
 
Wildace said:
IThey could shut the door tomorrow, but i would just keep doing what i do every day. My life does not revolve around the success or failure of this project. nor do i care about the money spent on it.

People spend money on worst things in life, from drugs to hookers or gamble it away at a casino.
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sure. but at least if you pay a hooker you get laid, and if you pay for drugs you get high. meaning, you get what you pay for. with this, people paid and five years later have received what? you can begin to heed your own advice and stop worrying about what other people worry about no?
 
Banyan said:
you can begin to heed your own advice and stop worrying about what other people worry about no?
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I already don't worry about that.

Nothing i said made it sound like i cared what anyone thinks.

Everyone besides me seems to be the ones worrying what other people think or worrying about how other people spend their money.

There is no real point to going around bashing the project, or people that are interested in the project all it does is show their own insecurities about their own life and makes them look like fools. If someone is not happy with the project and they put money in it, get a refund, if someone doesn't have money in the project then just ignore it. Complaining about Star Citizen and its fan base or Chris Roberts is something you have no control to fix or change it is pointless. All it does is spread needless hate and conflict between people.

I live a pretty care free life. I have no bills, i have no worries, i don't care what other people think and i don't worry about this project failing or succeeding.

Either i will play Star Citizen some day, or i wont. regardless of what happens. I will still be here happy living my life.
 
Wildace said:
I already don't worry about that.

Nothing i said made it sound like i cared what anyone thinks.

Everyone besides me seems to be the ones worrying what other people think or worrying about how other people spend their money.

There is no real point to going around bashing the project, or people that are interested in the project all it does is show their own insecurities about their own life and makes them look like fools. If someone is not happy with the project and they put money in it, get a refund, if someone doesn't have money in the project then just ignore it. Complaining about Star Citizen and its fan base or Chris Roberts is something you have no control to fix or change it is pointless. All it does is spread needless hate and conflict between people.

I live a pretty care free life. I have no bills, i have no worries, i don't care what other people think and i don't worry about this project failing or succeeding.

Either i will play Star Citizen some day, or i wont. regardless of what happens. I will still be here happy living my life.
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Just my opinion, but if you REALLY didn't care, then you wouldn't even have waste time on posting here trying to justify your own comments....just saying.

And you have NO bills? NONE? I find that very VERY hard to believe.
 
I literally haven't checked this thread in years, can anyone catch me up to speed on where this game is at?
 
Patch 3.0 is in alpha testing with those that get it early, should be out soon. The flying around Crusader and doing missions stuff is much better that the first version, and there is a bit of FPS (haven't tried). Racing is still hard but fun.

Trolls are out in full force and hate comes in waves from those that feel a need to be loud.
 
Doom5003 said:
Just my opinion, but if you REALLY didn't care, then you wouldn't even have waste time on posting here trying to justify your own comments....just saying.

And you have NO bills? NONE? I find that very VERY hard to believe.
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its not a waste of time if i choose to do it. And i was not trying to justify anything. People bring me into the conversation by mentioning me, i let them know my stance cause they seem to be curious or have false idea about what i may or may not be thinking or doing. I am ok with that.

And yes i have no bills, outside of buying my lunch for work, or maybe gas for the car.
 
DWolvin said:
Patch 3.0 is in alpha testing with those that get it early, should be out soon. The flying around Crusader and doing missions stuff is much better that the first version, and there is a bit of FPS (haven't tried). Racing is still hard but fun.

Trolls are out in full force and hate comes in waves from those that feel a need to be loud.
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Well, you mean the 3.0 that was only weeks away a year ago
 
No- I mean the 3.0 that was released to the people that also get the monthly Jump Point. It's hella late, but it is also in the hands of people outside RSI. We'll get it soon~ish. VMMV, your patience also. But to say it's in the same state as a year ago is willfully ignorant.
 
Wildace said:
its not a waste of time if i choose to do it. And i was not trying to justify anything. People bring me into the conversation by mentioning me, i let them know my stance cause they seem to be curious or have false idea about what i may or may not be thinking or doing. I am ok with that.

And yes i have no bills, outside of buying my lunch for work, or maybe gas for the car.
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So when other people make a post complaining about the snail like progress of the game they should "get a life" and stop wasting their time. However when you post about those same people, complaining about them complaining, it's NOT a waste of your time because you choose to do it...

You do realize just how ridiculous that line of logic is, right?
 
To be fair, on the last page, someone made a joke specifically calling out Wildace and Lorien. I'd say they're quite free to respond if they feel like it, and don't really need to answer to anyone for it. Just my opinion of course. This whole thread is ridiculous. Though I'll freely admit that it's sometimes entertaining in a sad sort of way.

Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing what 3.0 actually does, but I'm in no rush to actually try it out. Too many other good games coming out right now. Maybe I'll give 3.0 a whirl in a couple of months (assuming it arrives during that time) after I'm done with things like Wolfenstein, Mario, etc.
 
Wow i just realized this thread was started in 2012....what a joke. Cr is going to end up in jail at the rate they are going.
 
tunatime said:
Wow i just realized this thread was started in 2012....what a joke. Cr is going to end up in jail at the rate they are going.
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I don't think he has broken any laws. Kickstarter projects are more or less operated by donations. Donations are different than investments.
 
Dan_D said:
I don't think he has broken any laws. Kickstarter projects are more or less operated by donations. Donations are different than investments.
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I bet if they wanted to they could find something to charge him with. The odds of taking in 160mill and having something be off is fairly high. Could be something off with the books or taxes to something leaking showing he never had any intention of finishing the game.
 
DPI said:
Safe bet that Dec 31 will be no further along than they are today. If you have serious money in jpgs of ships, I'd get it all out while you still can - the refund system is a ponzi and will reach a tipping point where they cut it off because they're bleeding too much money. I think the 5 year mark will be a hard line in the sand for a lot of people losing patience, so expect a run on the bank.

TBH, I don't "hope the game fails." I hope it defies all odds, all the signs pointing to failure, and becomes the defining PC Master Race title. But the people still indulging their $800 ship sales - AT THIS STAGE? That's just enabling them, and incentivizing the game never being finished. Ship sales will never be as lucrative as they are now - while they can still capitalize on peoples power fantasies and imagination. If a finished game ever launches, people would quickly realize the pointlessness of their hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on ships, and sales would fall off a cliff.
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Something something Vulkan, never going to bash the game again, Vulkan Vulkan.

Just joking with you, but I do agree. 5 years, especially for what they are setting out to do, isn't all that long. My main issue is that at the time of the Kickstarter it seemed as if they were in the prototype stage. That is what they made it seem like, maybe my memory is off. But it seems like only recently have they gotten out of the prototype stage, 5 years later...
 
Flogger23m said:
But it seems like only recently have they gotten out of the prototype stage, 5 years later...
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Really?

I mean, from what I've seen, everything they have on the play test is pretty much a tech demo. And a pretty broken one at that. We'll see what 3.0 brings, though.
 
I'm an optimistic sort of person when it comes to games that I want to see. I'm one of those that really wants to see this succeed as well. I've got a bit of healthy skepticism, but I still actually believe that it's within the realm of possibility that they can make this thing work. However, I'm under no delusions that it will be done anytime soon. I also wouldn't buy any more related products until I see something tangible. Even just the bits and pieces I've see so far, are somewhat impressive when viewed as isolated pieces. I'm just not seeing much of the big picture yet. I think it helps that I'm not chomping at the bit to play it right now though. It will arrive when it arrives (if it arrives) and then I'll hop in, and fly my ship around. I still think they should have put SQ42 out first. It would have made half of the nay-sayers and single-player people (myself included) shut up and play a game while waiting for the PU to take shape. They could take all the time in the world to work on the PU if people could play SQ42 while they waited.
 
J3RK said:
I'm an optimistic sort of person when it comes to games that I want to see. I'm one of those that really wants to see this succeed as well. I've got a bit of healthy skepticism, but I still actually believe that it's within the realm of possibility that they can make this thing work. However, I'm under no delusions that it will be done anytime soon. I also wouldn't buy any more related products until I see something tangible. Even just the bits and pieces I've see so far, are somewhat impressive when viewed as isolated pieces. I'm just not seeing much of the big picture yet. I think it helps that I'm not chomping at the bit to play it right now though. It will arrive when it arrives (if it arrives) and then I'll hop in, and fly my ship around. I still think they should have put SQ42 out first. It would have made half of the nay-sayers and single-player people (myself included) shut up and play a game while waiting for the PU to take shape. They could take all the time in the world to work on the PU if people could play SQ42 while they waited.
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I've never argued that the game could be built technically speaking. I want it to succeed as it seemed like a game I really wanted to play. I simply have doubts about the feasibility of bringing this project to completion at this point.
 
Dan_D said:
I've never argued that the game could be built technically speaking. I want it to succeed as it seemed like a game I really wanted to play. I simply have doubts about the feasibility of bringing this project to completion at this point.
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Definitely won't fault anyone for having doubts. Even though I'm optimistic, I still am not sure if they can fully pull it off. Honestly, there are some things about how they operate that concern me. (to a degree) I just won't allow myself to get too wrapped up in it. I want to see it succeed, I don't want to see it fail, I put in what I'm comfortable putting in (I think $85 total for what I have), and if the whole thing fails, I'm not out a terrible amount. If it does succeed, I've got a nice little start into it with what I picked up. I just try not to pay too close attention. I check in once in a while, install whatever the current version is, poke around a bit, then forget about it again and play other games. I think getting too caught up in its development, or the surrounding politics would just have a negative impact on me. So I keep just enough distance :D
 
What they had at the time of the KS was just a proof of concept video and 3D ship models. They also had like ~10 actual employees and used contractors to produce a lot of the KS assets. So comparing to other games development time remember to add in time to build a studio as well since most other big games are made by established studios.

People should be pissed the 3.0 is taking so long, however I don't think it follows that the who project is going to fail. If you've got any doubts, just don't spend any money on it! Really. At the end of the day if you're spending any more than the base package you should know that you're basically voting with your cash for them to take as long as they want. Their funding has been amazingly steady, they have no reason to change how they operate unless that changes.
 
It has been linked to before where CR stated that the game would take about 2 years from the end of the KS to release the game. So the whole "they didn't really have anything or only really got started....." arguments don't fly.
 
FearTheCow said:
It has been linked to before where CR stated that the game would take about 2 years from the end of the KS to release the game. So the whole "they didn't really have anything or only really got started....." arguments don't fly.
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People can doubt the current situation all they want. Like I said, I'm not going to fault them for that. However, taking some quote from back in the KickStarter phase, and trying to use it as some evidence for everything being all wrong is just silly. Shit happens, things change, development cycles can drag out, features can creep, this shit happens in ALL development. In fact the only developers that I would say are "doing it wrong" are the ones that push something out too soon in a broken or half developed state. (whether that be the publisher's fault or the studio itself)

This game has taken a LONG time to get what is perceived as not all that far along. I think peoples' expectations are just way off. You can't take the word of ANY dev or artist when they try to give you a solid release date. That's why intelligent studios like id Software will say "When it's done." period. Sure, Chris Roberts could have approached this a lot more intelligently, and said the same thing. That would have been great, but I would be willing to bet that when he actually said "2 years" he himself believed it. We can argue whether or not someone else should be reigning him in, or this or that. However, it's not really going to change anything with THIS project. It is what it is now. It's evolved into what it is, and will continue to do so in my opinion.

This isn't a typical game. It's not a typical development cycle. Really the only thing people can do is sit back and watch how it unfolds. I think people should still keep pressure on them. There is no historical data to go off of for a project like this, with this scope, with this style of development, with this arguably shaky business model. This is kind of the first time something this big has been independently run on this scale if I'm not mistaken. Nobody quite knows what's going to happen. You can't really base what's happening here on a more typical scenario. There's just nothing of this magnitude to compare it to exactly. All anyone can do is guess how it will turn out.

My only suggestion would be not to invest more than one's comfortable putting in, sit back, watch the show, and in the end, hopefully we'll all be whizzing about the virtual galaxy that crazy Chris created.

I've wandered a bit, but my point was, taking some quote from years back when the whole project was different, and expecting that to have any weight now is silly. It's not the same project. Whether that ends well or not is completely up in the air, but pulling all these Chris-Quote TM lines out to try and prove some point is dumb.

We can talk all day about CR's past successes, failures, etc. We can talk about how some of his dreamed up games came up a bit short, (or maybe say he should stay out of the movie industry :D ) but everyone still looks back on most of even the games that didn't quite live up to the hype fondly. I know more people that like the "...lancer" games than not for example. The fact is, the very reason people are so passionate, pissed off, over-zealous, or whatever mental state they may be in over Star Citizen is because we all want what Chris makes. I hope for everyone's sake he manages to pull it off :D There's really no real way of knowing if that will happen though, so enjoy the ride I guess. :p
 
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Dan_D said:
I don't think he has broken any laws. Kickstarter projects are more or less operated by donations. Donations are different than investments.
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Except they stopped being "donations" the second he started selling JPEGs on his own website. They are purchases for specific goods (which haven't been delivered yet).
 
LightsOut41 said:
Except they stopped being "donations" the second he started selling JPEGs on his own website. They are purchases for specific goods (which haven't been delivered yet).
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You make an excellent point. While what's classified as a game could be open to some interpretation, the fact is that people are sold pictures of ships as stand-ins for real, digital assets for a game that may or may not ever exist.
 
LightsOut41 said:
Except they stopped being "donations" the second he started selling JPEGs on his own website. They are purchases for specific goods (which haven't been delivered yet).
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You make an excellent point. While what's classified as a game could be open to some interpretation, the fact is that people are sold pictures of ships as stand-ins for real, digital assets for a game that may or may not ever exist.
 
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Dan_D said:
You make an excellent point. While what's classified as a game could be open to some interpretation, the fact is that people are sold pictures of ships as stand-ins for real, digital assets for a game that may or may not ever exist.
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Lmao. I pop into this thread every now and then for good reads like this.

It's comforting to know that people out there are making worse decisions than me when it comes to money.
 
Sonicks said:
Lmao. I pop into this thread every now and then for good reads like this.

It's comforting to know that people out there are making worse decisions than me when it comes to money.
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Like I've said many times, I threw in $45 at the beginning of this fiasco in hopes that either the interest or the project itself would generate a resurgence in a game genre that's been dead for 15 years. I knew there was a chance that lighting that money on fire would have been just as productive, but I had to try. On the other hand, I've got a friend who is in this game for around 2 or 3 thousand dollars. I'm fairly certain he's never going to get his money's worth.
 
Dan_D said:
Like I've said many times, I threw in $45 at the beginning of this fiasco in hopes that either the interest or the project itself would generate a resurgence in a game genre that's been dead for 15 years. I knew there was a chance that lighting that money on fire would have been just as productive, but I had to try. On the other hand, I've got a friend who is in this game for around 2 or 3 thousand dollars. I'm fairly certain he's never going to get his money's worth.
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There's still a chance, but yeah... maybe lighting the money on fire would have been more fun in the interim. :D Or taking it and buying cigars, and lighting those on fire instead maybe with a nice single malt. However, when you consider the reason that you just stated, I think the resurgence in space sims is actually starting to happen. There are quite a few from simulation-simulations like Elite: Dangerous down to the simpler space combat action/sims, to the pure exploration of a HIGHLY improved No Man's Sky. It's kind of slow going, but it seems like new ones pop up fairly regularly now. Nothing quite on the scale of SC, but the genre is starting to regain some of its health.
 
J3RK said:
There's still a chance, but yeah... maybe lighting the money on fire would have been more fun in the interim. :D Or taking it and buying cigars, and lighting those on fire instead maybe with a nice single malt. However, when you consider the reason that you just stated, I think the resurgence in space sims is actually starting to happen. There are quite a few from simulation-simulations like E:D down to the simpler space combat action/sims, to the pure exploration of a HIGHLY improved No Man's Sky. It's kind of slow going, but it seems like new ones pop up fairly regularly now. Nothing quite on the scale of SC, but the genre is starting to regain some of its health.
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Or I could have subscribed to Pornhub's premium site and definitely got my money's worth for a few months instead.

As for a resurgence, I don't think that's what's happening. Shit like No Man's Sky, X3, and games like that are in the same genre, but they certainly aren't the same game type. I think the age of the pure, mission based space combat games is over. I don't think we'll ever see anything like that again. When you get down to it, why should we? They are straight forward and on some level, they are all more or less the same thing. In some ways, they are less variable gameplay wise than FPS games are. The gameplay really isn't that different from what it was 15 years ago on what modern equivalents there are today. I think we will see stuff like Battlefront II's single player which incorporates space combat with shooter mechanics, the way FPS games seem to almost always have some driving element to them now.

When it comes to first person games, I think we will see games transition into something that more closely simulates a movie character's experiences with a bit more open world freedom and more variable game types. This is probably a good thing as the FPS, space combat sims, and other games haven't been able to offer anything new in years beyond graphics improvements. I think immersion is where games are headed, and to do that, we can't be limited to one action or game play type. Whether or not VR plays more into that is debatable, but I'm starting to believe it might. Game designers are trying to get rid of loading screens, and make seemless transitions between one game environment to another. Supposedly, we will be able to fly towards a capital ship in Star Wars Battelfront II and board it right from a flight mission with no load screens. All of this not only makes a game more immersive, but it may one day lead to a game where you can interact with the game world in ways we can hardly dream of today.
 
True, I hadn't really thought too in depth about the mission based play of Wing Commander etc. However, I think that we'll start seeing some of that, and probably fairly high quality coming from independent studios. There are plenty of indies out there that could pull off something like that, and aren't afraid to put something out there that goes against current trends. Who knows though, maybe we will actually see SQ42 sometime in the near(ish) future, and maybe that will help bring another wave. I'm not quite as doubtful as you are, but I definitely see your point.
 
J3RK said:
True, I hadn't really thought too in depth about the mission based play of Wing Commander etc. However, I think that we'll start seeing some of that, and probably fairly high quality coming from independent studios. There are plenty of indies out there that could pull off something like that, and aren't afraid to put something out there that goes against current trends. Who knows though, maybe we will actually see SQ42 sometime in the near(ish) future, and maybe that will help bring another wave. I'm not quite as doubtful as you are, but I definitely see your point.
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Games like Grand Theft Auto V and even Arkham Knight make me believe that the traditional one game play type games are coming to an end. Not soon necessarily, but in a decade or so. In GTAV, one minute you are shooting people in first or third person, the next you are flying a helicopter or driving a boat. The game covers a wide range of game play types and I think that will become more common. Freedom, and then immersion will ultimately be where games go to next. Immersion will drive the gameplay to change, it's the only thing that will. The gaming experience as it is now isn't going to change until we move beyond the mouse, keyboard and gamepad. The only thing that might right now is VR.

That technology has to improve. We need more resolution per eye, ditch the cables, improve controls and interactivity, and finally, we need to get more applications that support it. Right now it's really early and the applications aren't there. The costs are also prohibitive to do it well, even with the limitations we have today.
 
Given how much money this game has generated I am surprised more studios haven't tried the space genre, as clearly there is a demand...I guess there has been Elite: Dangerous and stuff like No Man's Sky, but I wouldn't consider either of those to be a true Wing Commander / Starlancer experience.
 
MavericK said:
Given how much money this game has generated I am surprised more studios haven't tried the space genre, as clearly there is a demand...I guess there has been Elite: Dangerous and stuff like No Man's Sky, but I wouldn't consider either of those to be a true Wing Commander / Starlancer experience.
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And this is? Sq42 should have been out years ago then work on the mmo part
 
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