Threadripper 1900x, gaming build for the next 5 years

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I'm currently running an i7-3770k, which works fine from a CPU standpoint. However, the I/O on the motherboard no longer meets my needs so I'm looking to upgrade. Since I only upgrade every 5 years or so, I'm looking at a Threadripper 1900x build, mainly for the PCI-E I/O options (futureproofing) vs an i7-8700k/Z370 setup.

95% of my usage is gaming, at 3440x1440 @ 100Hz with Gsync on a Titan Xp with all settings maxed. How would a 1900x compare to an i7-8700k at that resolution? All the reviews are at 1080p.
 
The 1900X gives up something to the 1800X/1700X/1700 in the gaming department, so you should actually consider those parts as well; they might actually satisfy your I/O needs at a much lower cost than the TR/X399 platform.
 
BrotherMichigan said:
The 1900X gives up something to the 1800X/1700X/1700 in the gaming department, so you should actually consider those parts as well; they might actually satisfy your I/O needs at a much lower cost than the TR/X399 platform.
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I considered those, but the Rizen 7 is similar or slightly worse than the i7 when it comes to I/O. Thanks for the comment though.
 
Not much for most scenarios but if your usage is 95% gaming your better off staying with the 8700k. The 1800x is even a better gaming chip than the 1900x
 
lucidrenegade said:
I'm currently running an i7-3770k, which works fine from a CPU standpoint. However, the I/O on the motherboard no longer meets my needs so I'm looking to upgrade. Since I only upgrade every 5 years or so, I'm looking at a Threadripper 1900x build, mainly for the PCI-E I/O options (futureproofing) vs an i7-8700k/Z370 setup.

95% of my usage is gaming, at 3440x1440 @ 100Hz with Gsync on a Titan Xp with all settings maxed. How would a 1900x compare to an i7-8700k at that resolution? All the reviews are at 1080p.
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I am in a similar dilemma to u and from the research i have done the higher res u game at the more the gpu matter and the less the cpu does. Which is why u see 1080p
in cpu benchmarks. If the money is not a main issue i go with a 1900 over a 1800. If money comes into the equation at all u are way better off with say a 1700 which u can
oc to around 4gz which seems to be about the best u will see out of the amd stuff that is stable. Also Mem speeds are big with the amd stuff at least up to 3200.

The Thread rippers are suppose to be binned chips so i would think u have a better shot at getting a good one vs say the common rye chips. I want
something ill have to tinker with instead of just work great out of the box.. I need some entertainment from my next build !! Screw it working like a mac :)

ALso on that note if u really do nothing but game for the most part its hard to ignore a 7700k intel setup. If i am building a system for friends that is the
route i go. Nice discounted board with a reasonable priced chip that will be all most ever need.
 
I doubt there will be much difference at that resolution. You'll probably be more GPU limited.
 
kirbyrj said:
What are you missing on your 3770k setup you can't add with additional cards? I'm still running X58 and I have an NVMe drive and USB 3 via add-on card. I mean, you have those expansion slots on ATX boards...why not put them to use (y)
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it sounds like he wants to run NVME and/or multiple M.2 SSD's which is where TR is a bit better than am4. that's just my guess though based on his cryptic mentioning of I/O needs.
 
The 1900X seems to be an unnecessary overlay when you consider it is just a 1800x but where the difference is at is on the X399 platform vs AM4, knowing that X399 is said to last a while it may be a viable solution.

Gaming wise the TR parts are alright, im sure at 1440P you will be running more into a GPU limitation rather than CPU one so it may be plenty for your needs.
 
Refresh my memory..... The 1900x is the cheapest way to get into threadripper but should have a good upgrade path from here..correct?
 
d50man said:
nvme is doable on z77 with bios mod
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Or get a 950 Pro drive. Shows up as an IDE drive in legacy bios, boot to it, and then install NVMe driver in Windows. With Z77/3770k, you should get full speed as its PCIe 3.0 enabled.

I'm using it now on my X58 Sabertooth with no issues (other than I'm limited to PCIe 2.0 x4 speed).
 
lucidrenegade said:
I'm currently running an i7-3770k, which works fine from a CPU standpoint. However, the I/O on the motherboard no longer meets my needs so I'm looking to upgrade. Since I only upgrade every 5 years or so, I'm looking at a Threadripper 1900x build, mainly for the PCI-E I/O options (futureproofing) vs an i7-8700k/Z370 setup.

95% of my usage is gaming, at 3440x1440 @ 100Hz with Gsync on a Titan Xp with all settings maxed. How would a 1900x compare to an i7-8700k at that resolution? All the reviews are at 1080p.
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IO limitations on a 95% gaming rig? Not sure what the io limitations are there, maybe you can expound on that a little bit? Either way, at 3440 you're gpu limited.
 
bobzdar said:
IO limitations on a 95% gaming rig? Not sure what the io limitations are there, maybe you can expound on that a little bit? Either way, at 3440 you're gpu limited.
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As an example, my Z77 board has only 2 SATA III ports. I could always buy an add-in card for more SATA III ports, but with the limited PCI-E lanes on Z77 I'd end up running in a PCI-E 2.0 x1 slot. That's the type of limitation I want to avoid in a system I'll be keeping for 5 years.
 
p3sty said:
Refresh my memory..... The 1900x is the cheapest way to get into threadripper but should have a good upgrade path from here..correct?
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correct since the socket should be used all the way up to at least zen 2.
 
Thanks monkey now you just made my decision harder......aaaaaghh !!! I don't want to give intel my money and I want to build a new rig
 
Checking out 1900x Oc results and cooling needs i am inclined to say that it is a viable gaming processor, with various reports of 4.3 Ghz OC . This is not surprising. TR dies are better binned than Ryzen dies and they are spread over a larger area, which in turn helps when proper cooling solutions are used.

If money and longevity are an issue, one can think about getting a 1900x now, pick up the most powerful cooling solution available, OC the hell out of it and use it until Zen 2 chips become old and cheap.

I will tell a tale of my main build: when the EVGA SR2 mobo came out, most builders where picking low cost Xeons to populate it. A few years later, mid-end xeons were $400 a matched pair. Today a pair of high end x5690 ( a CPU that did not even existed when the Sr2 was launched) costs less than $250, but a working SR2 mobo costs at least $400.

So for gaming 8c16t 1900x is the better CPU today. 5 years in the future you can consider upgrading to a High end Zen 2 part, still enjoying your state of art mobo and watercooler setup.
 
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While Ryzen and Threadripper are not gaming platforms, when paired with a good GPU you're unlikely to notice a significant difference between a top-end Ryzen / bottom-end Threadripper vs. a gaming-oriented Intel processor. If extreme I/O is your priority you really need to be looking at Threadripper.
 
lucidrenegade said:
As an example, my Z77 board has only 2 SATA III ports. I could always buy an add-in card for more SATA III ports, but with the limited PCI-E lanes on Z77 I'd end up running in a PCI-E 2.0 x1 slot. That's the type of limitation I want to avoid in a system I'll be keeping for 5 years.
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Ok....So what are you looking to add in the storage department then? Details are needed, you say 95% gaming, but what set of drives are you running all at once to eat up the bandwidth? And for the system, you would just be adding some pretty cheap addons, not a whole new system, so the 5 year rule would not really apply and all these parts and drives could be moved to a new build anyway.

Kinda sounds like looking for a reason to upgrade rather than an actual need or use without more information.
 
lucidrenegade said:
As an example, my Z77 board has only 2 SATA III ports. I could always buy an add-in card for more SATA III ports, but with the limited PCI-E lanes on Z77 I'd end up running in a PCI-E 2.0 x1 slot. That's the type of limitation I want to avoid in a system I'll be keeping for 5 years.
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Even a basic Ryzen B350 system will have way more bandwidth and expand-ability than you'll use on a gaming rig. Only real reason to go TR right now is if you plan to run a bunch of NVME drives, need more threads, or need to run a bunch of video cards for mining/machine learning, which in a 95% gaming rig would be a waste. I understand wanting to be future proof to a degree, but an x370 will have plenty of expandability for a gaming rig for the next 5 years. That said, go for it, it's a sweet system. It just bothers me getting technology that I don't fully utilize, and even with me doing some ML stuff on my system I know there's now way I'll ever utilize everything TR can do.
 
I run a 1950x and it games 100% fine and dandy. And I run dual 1080ti @ 16x each card. Not that it matters in the least bit but its nice seeing that the cards are getting a full 32 lanes overall. Even though 8x isn't even fully saturated with a 1080ti running at max utilization.

PCIe3 is just that far ahead in bandwidth headroom.

But realistically if I were to recommend a 100% duty gaming rig - then it would be the I5-8600K which you might have a better chance of being selected to fly to Mars in 2031 with China than finding on the market right now.
 
tangoseal said:
I run a 1950x and it games 100% fine and dandy. And I run dual 1080ti @ 16x each card. Not that it matters in the least bit but its nice seeing that the cards are getting a full 32 lanes overall. Even though 8x isn't even fully saturated with a 1080ti running at max utilization.

PCIe3 is just that far ahead in bandwidth headroom.

But realistically if I were to recommend a 100% duty gaming rig - then it would be the I5-8600K which you might have a better chance of being selected to fly to Mars in 2031 with China than finding on the market right now.
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how is occulus rift.
 
OrangeKhrush said:
how is occulus rift.
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In respect to what? I mean what aspect would you like to know about it?

I find that VR is beyond maxed out on Threadripper esp. with 1080ti pushing it all. I thoroughly enjoy it. I doubt there is literally any difference in VR between Coffee Lake and higher end Ryzen processors. However, in single threaded titles, i.e. non VR, as in regular games, certainly the Intel is going to win the FPS battle.
 
tangoseal said:
In respect to what? I mean what aspect would you like to know about it?

I find that VR is beyond maxed out on Threadripper esp. with 1080ti pushing it all. I thoroughly enjoy it. I doubt there is literally any difference in VR between Coffee Lake and higher end Ryzen processors. However, in single threaded titles, i.e. non VR, as in regular games, certainly the Intel is going to win the FPS battle.
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Maybe we can get the expert Juan on here to tell us how Oculus is on AMD parts, he seems to know exactly how it will.
 
OrangeKhrush said:
Maybe we can get the expert Juan on here to tell us how Oculus is on AMD parts, he seems to know exactly how it will.
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Or you could wander over to [H]'s own VR gaming reviews between the various cards. If you have any particular bias you may want to avoid that section, however. :whistle:
 
Algrim said:
Or you could wander over to [H]'s own VR gaming reviews between the various cards. If you have any particular bias you may want to avoid that section, however. :whistle:
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I dont get where you guys are going with this.

edit... oh I see... haha got it ... the expert of all AMD lmfao

I am just going to pause and wait for it...

Because AMD is not very good at Intel's own proprietary in house AVX512 feature therefore AMD sucks at VR period.
 
No, I'm not Juan. I don't have a particular issue with Team Red or Team Green or Team Blue. However, I'm strongly against Team Brown, aka someone who has got their head so firmly implanted up some company's ass that they prejudge everything and everyone else because of it.
 
Algrim said:
No, I'm not Juan. I don't have a particular issue with Team Red or Team Green or Team Blue. However, I'm strongly against Team Brown, aka someone who has got their head so firmly implanted up some company's ass that they prejudge everything and everyone else because of it.
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Well yeah the only time Juan posts a thread on the AMD section is normally to do with something perceived to be bad, he has never on any forum posted anything good about AMD.
 
I don't understand what you think you need i/o wise that would make you go TR instead of Ryzen. You would be better off saving the extra money on the cheaper platform and buying the best GPU possible and 32gb of ram.
 
tangoseal said:
I dont get where you guys are going with this.

edit... oh I see... haha got it ... the expert of all AMD lmfao

I am just going to pause and wait for it...

Because AMD is not very good at Intel's own proprietary in house AVX512 feature therefore AMD sucks at VR period.
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AVX512 has fuck-all to do with RTG video cards tanking at VR on Intel-based motherboards in [H] reviews. I'm not entirely sure what your point was other than to try to imply I was biased.

But, if you thought about what you were implying, if VR was heavily weighted to AVX512 and RTG cards suck at VR on Intel-based systems, I am sure that a much weaker AVX512 platform (aka anything other than an Intel-based system) would be an abysmal showing. So, would you care to try again, this time using some of the grey matter that exists in between the ears?

EDIT: I've already indicated in this very thread that Threadripper should be considered for this build so I don't get where anyone here would think I have a particular bias against AMD/RTG.
 
Algrim said:
AVX512 has fuck-all to do with RTG video cards tanking at VR on Intel-based motherboards in [H] reviews. I'm not entirely sure what your point was other than to try to imply I was biased.

But, if you thought about what you were implying, if VR was heavily weighted to AVX512 and RTG cards suck at VR on Intel-based systems, I am sure that a much weaker AVX512 platform (aka anything other than an Intel-based system) would be an abysmal showing. So, would you care to try again, this time using some of the grey matter that exists in between the ears?

EDIT: I've already indicated in this very thread that Threadripper should be considered for this build so I don't get where anyone here would think I have a particular bias against AMD/RTG.
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Um, I think he was postulating on what Juan would say, not arguing with you.

As to the build, I don't see the need for TR io, seems like it'd be overkill and an R7 would be just as good and as future proof for a 95% gaming rig. Unless you plan to add a completely overkill for gaming nvme raid setup, even 5 years from now I don't see it. The only way I could see doing is it is for buying more pci-e lanes in case there is some as-yet released technology that might need to be added on. But it'd have to be something that needs more than 8x pci-e lanes to make any sense. Even then it'll still work, just maybe not at full speed if you also have the system loaded with 2x nvme drives. For this extreme edge io case, is it worth spending 2x as much for the same, or even slightly less, performance in games?
 
It's a five-year build so I'd invest in the processor line that has room to grow as his needs grow. He may not need more than 8c/16t now but down the road he may want to go 16c/32t. TR gives him that within the 5 year timeframe whereas AM4 does not (at least not based on what we know). And, even with his stated interest being 95% gaming, I'd still invest in the presumably weaker (aka non-Intel) ecosystem as it will be adaptable in the five years whereas the Intel system will not.
 
Long term the AMD platform will be a better choice, instead of the dead end z370 platform. Both Intel and AMD will update pcie/etc next year though. At least you will be able to use your CPU or swap motherboard or cpu if needed if going AMD. Zen+ and Zen2 around the corner, I would expect Zen2 clocks to reduce the few gaming advantages of Intel in high Hz/low res to barely anything.
 
These threads are beginning to look like - -

"Which Formula 1 car should I buy to do my grocery run in the morning?"

It took a while but I think we need to start reassessing needs and priorities now.
 
Here are some NVME benchmarks from a 1950x with three video cards and 3x 960 Pro's:

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H2R2P2 said:
Here are some NVME benchmarks from a 1950x with three video cards and 3x 960 Pro's:

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That is utterly astounding! Your SSD speed is about 9gb/sec read. That has to be useful in some applications and future applications.
 
Algrim said:
AVX512 has fuck-all to do with RTG video cards tanking at VR on Intel-based motherboards in [H] reviews. I'm not entirely sure what your point was other than to try to imply I was biased.

But, if you thought about what you were implying, if VR was heavily weighted to AVX512 and RTG cards suck at VR on Intel-based systems, I am sure that a much weaker AVX512 platform (aka anything other than an Intel-based system) would be an abysmal showing. So, would you care to try again, this time using some of the grey matter that exists in between the ears?

EDIT: I've already indicated in this very thread that Threadripper should be considered for this build so I don't get where anyone here would think I have a particular bias against AMD/RTG.
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Algrim lmao... were referring to Juangara or however you spell it. NOT you. Throttle down.
 
noko said:
That is utterly astounding! Your SSD speed is about 9gb/sec read. That has to be useful in some applications and future applications.
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If you need PCIE lane throughput, Threadripper is the way to go!
 
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