64% of Americans Now Own an Apple Product

What would be more interesting than this would then to gauge what other products they use in their household.

Android tablets/phones, desktops/laptops, OSes, streaming devices and sticks. I bet more US households still use non apple hardware or a combo of both than use Apple exclusively.

Also where was this poll taken, on a college campus? That's where I see/saw most of the mac computers. In my office it's all iPhones and PCs.
 
jnemesh said:
Simple solution, dont load 100 different apps on your phone and uninstall the ones you dont use on a regular basis...also, dont use facebook's apps.
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But that's not a solution. If you are given a device, and nowadays they are costing close to $1000 the response shouldn't be "don't install so many apps." They are presented to you to download so you should be able to download as many as you want in the hopes that A, it won't fuck up your device, and B, it won't cause your device to run slower or behave differently when downloaded. It's like having 100 games installed on Steam. My computer runs no slower when I have all my games installed than when I only have a few and nowadays when mobile phones have Octa-Core processors and run multi-gigahertz processors, and have ever-increasing RAM should not be a continuing issue.
 
Krazy925 said:
What would be more interesting than this would then to gauge what other products they use in their household.

Android tablets/phones, desktops/laptops, OSes, streaming devices and sticks. I bet more US households still use non apple hardware or a combo of both than use Apple exclusively.

Also where was this poll taken, on a college campus? That's where I see/saw most of the mac computers. In my office it's all iPhones and PCs.
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That's how it is in my house. All Windows PCs, gaming PC, Windows laptop, 1 Android phone, Chromecast, 1 iPad, and 2 iPhones. The vast majority of the devices in my house are non-Apple.
 
Cmdrmonkey said:
This. Android is for poors and irrational Apple haters. And even most of the poors will tell you they wish they could afford an iPhone.
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Allow me to drop my Note 8 on your head. Just as my wallet is heavy with cash, it will smash your ass into the grass, because I'm so poor.
 
I am really surprised there is so much android hate on these forums. I am not going to throw stones because I have not owned an apple product myself. Each time I get a new phone, i look at apple and just cant justify it. Not even close. Most of my android phones lately have run stock android without any bloatware on them. I do still have an Amazon Fire phone running CM11 rom (android 4.4) and it still works well
 
My LG X-Power is fine for what I use in a phone.

The "Ok-Google" assistant is very stupid.... dumb.... retarded.... but that's life.

I imagine AI advances will be applied to the assistant apps and they will all get much better in time.
It works well enough for me to say, "Ok Google, play Louis C.K. (or some song) on Youtube.".

Navigation works well enough to be useful.

So Android works well for me. I don't "hate" Apple products, but the prices and tech cult thing put me off.

There is no reason a phone should cost $600-$800 when an under $200 phone works just as well.

Proudly one of the 36%. :D

ETA: Oh, and I pay $45/month for unlimited service (Boost). Not the hundreds of dollars a month
that I hear people talking about, that's just insane to me.


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A 10-year old iPod that was given to me as a gift is the only Apple product I own.
 
I wonder what this number would be for Microsoft products in US homes? Mostly Windows obviously - with some xbox numbers as well.

Same for Amazon? Kindles, Alexa, Prime (movie/music service)

The only other companies that might be comparable would be something like GE (light fixtures, appliances)
Samsung - TVs, Phones, DVD/Bluray Players
Sony, Disney, WB - etc - movies
Johnson and Johnson - cosmetics/cleaning
Kraft - foods

hmmm. I wonder which company has the highest occupancy rate in American homes?
 
zamardii12 said:
But that's not a solution. If you are given a device, and nowadays they are costing close to $1000 the response shouldn't be "don't install so many apps." They are presented to you to download so you should be able to download as many as you want in the hopes that A, it won't fuck up your device, and B, it won't cause your device to run slower or behave differently when downloaded. It's like having 100 games installed on Steam. My computer runs no slower when I have all my games installed than when I only have a few and nowadays when mobile phones have Octa-Core processors and run multi-gigahertz processors, and have ever-increasing RAM should not be a continuing issue.
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When you load apps (especially shitty ones that were written by 10 year olds in Bangladesh) on ANY computer, it will degrade performance. IOS isnt immune either.
 
zamardii12 said:
But that's not a solution. If you are given a device, and nowadays they are costing close to $1000 the response shouldn't be "don't install so many apps." They are presented to you to download so you should be able to download as many as you want in the hopes that A, it won't fuck up your device, and B, it won't cause your device to run slower or behave differently when downloaded. It's like having 100 games installed on Steam. My computer runs no slower when I have all my games installed than when I only have a few and nowadays when mobile phones have Octa-Core processors and run multi-gigahertz processors, and have ever-increasing RAM should not be a continuing issue.
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It IS a solution. These "phones" are computers. Load ANY computer with crap and it will bog down.
 
Megalith said:
The CNBC All-America Economic Survey finds that 64 percent of Americans now own an Apple product, up from 50 percent when the question was last asked five years ago. The average American household reports owning 2.6 Apple products, up by a full Apple product from the 2012 survey.
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Good thing I don't live in an average American household. I don't own a single Apple product. But I do have a lot of stuff from their competitors :)
 
Only android’ish thing I own is a roku and a fire TV.

Will never be going back to Android unless it’s a pixel device.
 
buttons said:
I am really surprised there is so much android hate on these forums.
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It's not so much as hate for Android but more like calling them out when it's warranted. There are obvious issues that are plaguing the average Android user yet does Google do anything about it? No. Android still lags like hell and yet Google does nothing about it. Unfortunately they would have to do a lot of behind the scenes work to fix these issues but of course Google doesn't want to do it, they simply throw more hardware at the problem instead of fixing the core flaws in the system. And it isn't just Google, I'm calling out everyone on this one.

Let's face it people, most programs are shit. That's right, they are shit behind the scenes. They an inefficient pieces of shit that consumes large amounts of computing power all because the developers don't want to take the time to optimize their code; instead they tell us that we should upgrade our devices which I think is bullshit.

If a couple of apps can drag the device down and feel like it's dragging a boat anchor behind it, why should it be up to the user to fix it? No, my answer is that Google should fix it. If a couple of apps can do that then there are obvious issues in the Android OS core and it should be fixed but Google's not interested in fixing them. These are mobile devices people, they are not desktops where you have virtually unlimited amount of computing and power capacity at your fingertips; treat them as if they are. But Google doesn't do that, they instead think that apps should run in the background indefinitely. iOS however doesn't do that, apps don't run indefinitely in the background; they are told to quit after a couple of minutes of no user activity unless there's a good reason to be running in the background like playing music or navigating. The user should not have to worry about how the system's resources are being used, that should be up to the OS itself which iOS handles far better than Android.
 
Then there's the whole Garbage Collecting vs. Reference Counting argument. iOS uses a something called Reference Counting as part of their memory management process. The idea is that as objects in RAM are no longer needed in RAM those objects are immediately done away with and disposed of. This does not happen on Android (and Microsoft .NET), they both instead rely on something called Garbage Collecting in which a lot of system RAM is wasted because it takes time for the garbage collector to come around and do its job. Oh and by the way, as the garbage collector is doing its job the system lags because it has to essentially suspend the app and do away with the unneeded objects in RAM.

Don't believe me? Take a look at this article for details. Take the C# source code, put it in Visual Studio, and watch it run. Be sure to remove the comment from line 42 or it won't work. Anyways, if you let the C# code run and it needed to do a garbage collection the whole program freezes as it does its job. Such an example in Apple's Swift with Reference Counting does not suffer from the same garbage collection induced freeze. Android apps suffer from the same thing, when the garbage collector goes to work the app freezes until the work is done.
 
Not surprised. Apple products are overpriced, but Apple stands by their products. Apple has not innovative, they do what others have done, but makes it pretty or dumbs it down.

I am in the 36% that don't own an Apple product.
 
Cmdrmonkey said:
This. Android is for poors and irrational Apple haters. And even most of the poors will tell you they wish they could afford an iPhone.
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Definitely not this poor user. Hell, I dislike the direction Microsoft is taking with their steps toward a walled garden so I've been dual booting with Linux for my real computing needs (Windows for Games only). The only reason I have a smart phone (only $39 bucks!) instead of a flip phone is that I wanted a decent calculator app.
 
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Cmdrmonkey said:
This. Android is for poors and irrational Apple haters. And even most of the poors will tell you they wish they could afford an iPhone.
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Funny, it's largely the opposite where I work.

We have lower paid office staff who have iPhones and complain how they can't afford stuff (yet they could afford a $800 iPhone on monthly payments).
Meanwhile many of the technical people have android even though they could easily afford the price of the latest iPhone (and they don't complain about how broke they are).

I know that buying Android phones for my family (that cost less then half what a similar an Apple phone would have) has left me with more money in the bank.
 
I recently switched from Android to an iPhone. Price wasn't a factor, a $750 iPhone is no different than the $750 Android phones I was buying. I switched because regardless of the manufacturer, the Android phones bogged down quickly. If I had to guess, I'd say the Samsung/LG skins on top of the stock skin had something to do with it. Along with the manufacturers duplicate voice search, music player, browser, etc. Nothing was stock Android.

The phones also come preloaded with software that can't be removed, with updates that are dictated by the manufacturer and phone carrier. Oh, you just bought a top of the line LG phone? If you're lucky, it may get updated once or twice. Even then, it'll be months after the update was available from Google. Yes, that's not an Android problem, it lies with the carrier and manufacturer. At the end of the day though, that is what an Android owner has to deal with.

The iPhone is not without its flaws. I hate that it only has one button and you must click it a million times to navigate any app. But don't press it too fast! If you do that, it will then show every open window! And heaven help you if you press and hold the single button. There is no telling what the phone will do, depending what app you have open.

That said, the iPhone has never froze or lagged, overheated or failed. The call quality is significantly greater, as is the battery life. And that's why I switched to an iPhone after 7 years with Android.
 
Do they specify the % of people that own an Microsoft-driven device? Just curious. Or Google / Android device? Or Amazon? I just wonder what other manufacturer of goods of any kind (maybe clothes? Levi's?) has that kind of household ubiquity. Until recently, I was in the 36% minority. But with the death of Windows phone, I finally bit the Apple, and picked up an ATT locked iPhone SE. I would never pay anything like $700 to $1,000 for a phone of any kind, iPhone or otherwise. But I have to admit, that for $150 new, this iPhone SE is a nice product.
 
nutzo said:
Funny, it's largely the opposite where I work.

We have lower paid office staff who have iPhones and complain how they can't afford stuff (yet they could afford a $800 iPhone on monthly payments).
Meanwhile many of the technical people have android even though they could easily afford the price of the latest iPhone (and they don't complain about how broke they are).

I know that buying Android phones for my family (that cost less then half what a similar an Apple phone would have) has left me with more money in the bank.
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Indeed. I find people that are more tech savvy tend to use a high-end Android phone. I also find that more people that want to appear trendy, walk around with headphones on all the time, wear skinny jeans and neck beards, as well as being completely inept when it comes to anything technological, tend to use Apple devices.
There are issues with both OS's, but the main issue with Android is the shitty launchers and all the crap that gets loaded by the carriers. This is not a problem with Google or Android, but a problem with the ecosystem and the vendors. It's the unfortunate side effect of open source software on a wide distribution platform, the same problems that I've seen complained about on the most popular of Linux distros.
I have a Note 8 currently, and all previous iterations prior except for the 7. Any issue I've had was immediately solved by install by Nova Launcher and disabling all the carrier garbage. I've had Nexus phones previous to those, and they were amazing, but lagged behind hardware wise, which I mainly mean screen technology.
 
Wolf_Tech said:
Well comes as no surprise to me. Apple gives free products to all the schools and colleges teaches kids and others that apple is the only product they need. They use our children as marketing for there products.

The old saying The brighter the Picture the Darker the negative.
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My kids recieve macbook pros from grade 4-12. They keep the same laptop the whole time unless they move obviously. They keep them through-out summer as well from what I understand.
 
steakman1971 said:
Don't be haters - invest in AAPL (actually, I'm not sure I'd buy in right now...the iPhone 8 is not selling. Have to see how the iPhone X sells and if they can keep up with the demand.) I've done quite nicely with this stock in the last 8 years or so. I make my living partially from iOS development. I like iPhones and have gotten used to macOS (actually find it works great as a development platform - Android Studio & Xcode are well-supported. With the awesome trackpad (may favorite "feature" of Mac computers) - I don't even bother with a mouse. Keyboard shortcuts and trackpad gestures.
Is it a perfect platform? No. Their equipment is expensive and over priced. I also don't always like the design and choices they make at the Mothership (only USB-C? So, I had to get a bunch of dongles. Jerks.). However, I don't have any qualms using their products. My network at home has a 2008 Macbook, several Linux servers, several Windows 10 devices, etc - they all get along ok. At work, I am using the new Macbook Pro. I hate the TouchBar - I accidentally hit it all the time I also miss have an ESC key as I like the editor vi. (Also haven't found a use for the trackbar...it is not intuitive and doesn't speed me up with any programs I am running on it.)
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is there a baby's arm holding an apple sliding in and out of your lips? if so is it (H)ard?
 
alxlwson said:
Indeed. I find people that are more tech savvy tend to use a high-end Android phone. I also find that more people that want to appear trendy, walk around with headphones on all the time, wear skinny jeans and neck beards, as well as being completely inept when it comes to anything technological, tend to use Apple devices.
There are issues with both OS's, but the main issue with Android is the shitty launchers and all the crap that gets loaded by the carriers. This is not a problem with Google or Android, but a problem with the ecosystem and the vendors. It's the unfortunate side effect of open source software on a wide distribution platform, the same problems that I've seen complained about on the most popular of Linux distros.
I have a Note 8 currently, and all previous iterations prior except for the 7. Any issue I've had was immediately solved by install by Nova Launcher and disabling all the carrier garbage. I've had Nexus phones previous to those, and they were amazing, but lagged behind hardware wise, which I mainly mean screen technology.
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My experience has been that some tech savvy types rant and rave about how they will never buy an iPhone. Those are for hipsters and morons who can't use technology they say. Then they use Android for awhile, realize it's utter shit, and quietly switch to iPhones. They're embarassed about how wrong they were so they never say much about it. You just see them using an iPhone one day. I can't count the number of times I've seen this scenario play out. Actually I don't know anyone tech savvy who is even still using Android.
 
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buttons said:
I am really surprised there is so much android hate on these forums. I am not going to throw stones because I have not owned an apple product myself. Each time I get a new phone, i look at apple and just cant justify it. Not even close. Most of my android phones lately have run stock android without any bloatware on them. I do still have an Amazon Fire phone running CM11 rom (android 4.4) and it still works well
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I am definitely not an Android hater, I just maintain that an iPhone is better bang for the buck unless you get a 200 Android. The hardware is as good or better than an Android of the same price from the 400$ SE to the 800$ 8+. Your phone is guaranteed to get updates for well longer than any Android out there. This wouldn’t be such a huge deal except that Android has many critical security holes discovered each year. Many expensive Android devices are not even updated after the first year and cheap ones are usually never updated even once.
 
Cmdrmonkey said:
My experience has been that some tech savvy types rant and rave about how they will never buy an iPhone. Those are for hipsters and morons who can't use technology they say. Then they use Android for awhile, realize it's utter shit, and quietly switch to iPhones. They're embarassed about how wrong they were so they never say much about it. You just see them using an iPhone one day. I can't count the number of times I've seen this scenario play out. Actually I don't know anyone tech savvy who is even still using Android.
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I'm happy to be a part of the 36%. I doubt many have ever felt so good to be a part of a minority.
 
I am a die hard PC person but I do own quite a few Apple products.
2x Apple TV4's, 3 iPod touches, 3 iPod Nanos, iPad 3, iPhone SE, 2x MacBook Pros, and a MacBook Air.

Out of all that, I use my iPhone and one of my Apple TV4's daily.
 
Since they refuse to link the survey or even state the question that was asked, this could be anything from an old ipod, to a recent iphone, macbook, or just an installation of iTunes and some mp3's.
 
alxlwson said:
as well as being completely inept when it comes to anything technological, tend to use Apple devices.
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Nope. I'm about as tech savvy as the rest of you guys here. I tweak just as much as you guys do, I even write Microsoft VB.NET (and some C#) code. I've even overclocked my Core i5 3570k to 4.4 GHz. But when it comes to my phone... it just has to work. I had various forms of Android devices for years and I just got tired of dealing with the crap that is Android so I switched to the iPhone and never looked back.
 
Cmdrmonkey said:
My experience has been that some tech savvy types rant and rave about how they will never buy an iPhone. Those are for hipsters and morons who can't use technology they say. Then they use Android for awhile, realize it's utter shit, and quietly switch to iPhones. They're embarrassed about how wrong they were so they never say much about it. You just see them using an iPhone one day. I can't count the number of times I've seen this scenario play out. Actually I don't know anyone tech savvy who is even still using Android.
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Android is and has always felt like it was cobbled together with pieces that don't quite fit together. Square peg in a round hole kind of thing. There's no cohesion in it. It doesn't feel quite... complete. Everything seems like it was thrown together last minute just to add another "whiz-bang" feature to add to the already long bug-filled feature list.

Sure, Apple devices and software may not have the latest and greatest and the longest feature set but you can bet your ass that when Apple does come along and add a feature it's going to work 100% as advertised and not only that but easier to use as well.
 
defaultluser said:
I owned a Mac Mini about a decade ago. Sorry, I didn't need that kind of hand-holding.

And as for iOS, A system without the OPTION for side-loading is broken. You can still treat Android like a single-store high-security system if you want, but if there's ever a need you can install your own apps.
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You can "side loading" on iOS. As long as the app have the right provision profile from Apple developer accounts.

IIRC, you can do drag and drop IPA into iTunes while connected with iPhone.
 
Cmdrmonkey said:
This. Android is for poors and irrational Apple haters. And even most of the poors will tell you they wish they could afford an iPhone.
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You need to read this book "The Millionaire Next Door". Roughly three quarters of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck.
 
shansoft said:
You can "side loading" on iOS. As long as the app have the right provision profile from Apple developer accounts.

IIRC, you can do drag and drop IPA into iTunes while connected with iPhone.
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So you pay $100/year for the "privilege"of doing the same thing I just did on my Samsung galaxy for free?

What a wonderful country you live in, led by El Dictator Tim Cook.

You know why there's a HEALTHY Apple jailbreak community? Its because of "gifts" like this that you pay $100 for.
 
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