Intel's 8th Generation Core Family - Coffee Lake (LGA 1151, 6C/12T)

Where do you expect Core i7-8700K's Turbo to land?

  • 3.8/3.9 GHz

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • 4.0/4.1 GHz

    Votes: 3 23.1%

  • 4.2/4.3 GHz

    Votes: 6 46.2%

  • 4.4/4.5 GHz

    Votes: 3 23.1%

  • 4.6/4.7 GHz

    Votes: 1 7.7%
  • Total voters
    13
  • Poll closed .
SomeGuy133 said:
we are referring to minimum frame rate here...or at least i am. 99/99.9% percentile and minimum frame rate and frame time shows the smoothness and quality of experience. AMD is consistently 20-50% worse in many games because this is where the single thread issues come into play. IIRC I believe even DOOM ryzen ate shit compared to the 7700K and 8700K

far cry primal 100v68
GTA5 52v31 lawls
doom 137vs83
sleeping dogs 113v75
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In most of the games was there any difference to the user playing the games? I am curious if there was.
 
Hagrid said:
In most of the games was there any difference to the user playing the games? I am curious if there was.
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.....is that a serious question?:cautious: If you are below the frame rate of the screen it makes stutters and ruins the experience....... more times it is below refresh rate or more times it misses and causes a tear the worse the experience is.......:banghead:
 
tangoseal said:
your was some how accidental
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Well regardless, I'm one of the 'bad guys' who (currently) prefers Intel over AMD regardless, but in my opinion it's the smarter buy, to get the CFL right now (5 days) than Ryzen - but it's purely based on my needs.

As a non GPU guy who stopped playing games on desktop but likes a REAL snappy PC, saving
Heat
Space
Money
Noise
Power

by not having to buy a GPU is good for me.


I don't see why I should purchase a CPU which has a lower frequency headroom, it has a slightly lower IPC, it doesn't come with a 'free' simple GPU.
An 8400 (at least this particular CPU, let alone others) is pretty impressive for $182 US vs the alternative.

Make no mistake, I would love to buy a 1600 and save money on the motherboard and support the underdog, but nVidia and AMD refuse to release really cheap, really simple, modern video cards and AMD is (as of the 5'th) definitely asking too much money for the 1600.
 
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-BX80684I78700K-Core-i7-8700K-Processor/dp/B07598VZR8/

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AbRASiON said:
Well regardless, I'm one of the 'bad guys' who (currently) prefers Intel over AMD regardless, but in my opinion it's the smarter buy, to get the CFL right now (5 days) than Ryzen - but it's purely based on my needs.

As a non GPU guy who stopped playing games on desktop but likes a REAL snappy PC, saving
Heat
Space
Money
Noise
Power

by not having to buy a GPU is good for me.


I don't see why I should purchase a CPU which has a lower frequency headroom, it has a slightly lower IPC, it doesn't come with a 'free' simple GPU.
An 8400 (at least this particular CPU, let alone others) is pretty impressive for $182 US vs the alternative.

Make no mistake, I would love to buy a 1600 and save money on the motherboard and support the underdog, but nVidia and AMD refuse to release really cheap, really simple, modern video cards and AMD is (as of the 5'th) definitely asking too much money for the 1600.
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I am sure you never read my post but along with my Threadripper I am also getting a 8700K this weekend from Microcenter so I am not biased. I just get sick of the rampant disregard for common sense when it comes to certain people.

And to make matters moreclear, I am getting a 240hz panel to go along with the coffee lake because I do not think my Threadripper has the horsepower per core to drive games to that high of a frame rate. I have 2 1080ti's an I am going to put one in my TR and one in my CL machine.
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-BX80684I78700K-Core-i7-8700K-Processor/dp/B07598VZR8/

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messing with conversions in usd on UK amazon 7700k is currently going for 360 USD, that early 8700k converts to 428.47. these prices are including VAT (20% i'm told there) and import fees and whatnot and 7700k currently going for 299 on amazon here + tax so my toughts of 360 + tax looks to be in line with expectations, if supply is short we may see them selling at a bit a premium for a month or two but probably wont break 400 usd and should come down to low 300's on sale eventually.
 
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I just cant see using an Apex board as I would not try to OC that damn far. The Apexes are definitely benchmark boards and record setters. I wouldn't call them a gamers board due to the extra premium they want for those.
 
tangoseal said:
I just cant see using an Apex board as I would not try to OC that damn far. The Apexes are definitely benchmark boards and record setters. I wouldn't call them a gamers board due to the extra premium they want for those.
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perfectly good daily drivers so long as you can live with 4x sata only and needing to only ever run two sticks of ram which lets be real running 4 is always a performance hit so that one is kind of a moot point.

if anyone ever thinks they might want to get into overclocking comps in even the slightest bit i would even stress they buy an Apex or similar board (gigabyte soc champions/ asrock oc formula) Asus has been killing it with the Apex line though always first to market, well tested and loaded with overclocking aimed features right on down to preset memory and cpu overclocking profiles for everything from ambient cooling to LN2
 
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Some pricing I came across from a major US retailer. Not sure if they're msrp or what, but I think some of these aren't known yet.

Gigabyte:
$249.99 : Z370 AORUS Gaming 7
$199.99 : Z370 AORUS Gaming 5
$169.99 : Z370 AORUS Ultra Gaming
$159.99 : Z370 AORUS Gaming 3
$159.99 : Z370 AORUS Gaming K3
$139.99 : Z370 HD3P
$124.99 : Z370 HD3

Asus:
$349.99 : MAXIMUS X APEX
$279.99 : MAXIMUS X HERO WI-FI AC
$209.99 : ROG STRIX Z370-E GAMING
$189.99 : ROG STRIX Z370-I GAMING mini-ITX
$174.99 : PRIME Z370-A
$169.99 : ROG STRIX Z370-H GAMING
$159.99 : TUF Z370 PRO GAMING
$149.99 : TUF Z370 PLUS GAMING
$139.99 : PRIME Z370-P

ASrock: (thanks bp)
$189.99 : Fatal1ty Z370 Gaming K6
$179.99 : Fatal1ty Z370 Gaming-ITX/ac
$129.99 : Z370 PRO4
 
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I'll probably go for the Asrock Extreme 4, will be cheaper than the K6 and I don't see any real differences between the two.
 
SomeGuy133 said:
that is patently false. There are 10,000s of games and the vast majority are single thread. I would be shocked to see 1,000 properly threaded games. So your aggregate 10% is total bullshit. If you play a diverse amount of games you buy an intel rig plan and simple. If you only plat BF, COD, and shit like that sure...you can get away with it. Also GTA5 was in that list and those 6 games are AAA games and AMD has shit FPS in most of them. 10%...okay. :rolleyes:

I own about 1300 games and i don't even think 100 are properly threaded or even AMD could be competitive with intel in even 100 of my games.

Also as i stated Intel which is 25-50% faster in minimum frame rate doesnt even allow an ideal experience in all games....its just better/close than AMD by far.

but do whatever you like. I'll give unbias factual advice all day long. For a desktop rig you buy an Intel ATM because AMD offers a shotty experience. If you want a great prices threaded server, render, enoding rig...buy thread ripper. If you want the best most powerful server, render, encoder that money can buy...you get intels 18 core. I would never buy Intel for my server because of cost but to each their own.

If i had the money I would get binned 8700K for desktop and a retail threadripper for my server. If i was filly rich i would get intel 2K 18 core CPU....but that would be silly for my needs lol:ROFLMAO:



record your GPU load and CPU load and frame rate into a graph or have 2 screens and pay attention when you game.

1) If FPS drops and GPU utilization drops=most likely CPU limited
2) if FPS frops and GPU is maxed=GPU limited
3) if FPS drops and GPU drops and CPU drops=something else and much harder to figure out (could be code, VRAM, system memory, SSD, or a lot of other things)

1 and 2 are most common and easy to pin point...3 is more rare and harder to figure out the limiting factor.
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Speaking to the devs, the game is CPU heavy and there is less impact on graphics, the engine is a DX9 one so old GPU's do push out decent frames while CPU load is overburdened with constant physics and draws, overgrowth and dense grass cannot be turned off, if your game code is read with edits to the grass density you get a perma ban.

Ill put it on shadow play.
 
$379, just like I predicted some months ago *shameless self promotion* Good to see K variant available, so much for K versions not available on 5th. Well okay it was available 4th so I guess the rumors about not available 5th could be twisted to be correct ;)
 
Shintai said:
Newegg taking their "tax" as usual.
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What they usually do is list stuff higher then apply a fake "sale" which brings the price down to where it belongs. Barring supply issues, I wouldn't be surprised to see the 8700K slashed to 359 or 369 in the next few days.

Otherwise... The price is only going to increase. I was waiting for Silicon Lottery, but I don't like the way the wind is blowing.
 
Well I picked an 8700K up. Time to find an ITX board. I'd like the Asus, but the Asrock looks decent too. Hopefully they're up soon.
 
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