Intel's 8th Generation Core Family - Coffee Lake (LGA 1151, 6C/12T)

Where do you expect Core i7-8700K's Turbo to land?

  • 3.8/3.9 GHz

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • 4.0/4.1 GHz

    Votes: 3 23.1%

  • 4.2/4.3 GHz

    Votes: 6 46.2%

  • 4.4/4.5 GHz

    Votes: 3 23.1%

  • 4.6/4.7 GHz

    Votes: 1 7.7%
  • Total voters
    13
  • Poll closed .
Like I said earlier, I expect $70 cut on 1800X and $30 on 1700X, wouldn't quite make them on par bang-for-buck yet I'd estimate but pricedrops are rarely reflecting precisely that but any drop is a good thing, we haven't had this kind of competition for many years. Especially 1800X was always priced in AMD laymen terms in the very upper limit region though, knowing it would have to come down a bit later.
 
RPGWiZaRD said:
Like I said earlier, I expect $70 cut on 1800X and $30 on 1700X, wouldn't quite make them on par bang-for-buck yet I'd estimate but pricedrops are rarely reflecting precisely that but any drop is a good thing, we haven't had this kind of competition for many years. Especially 1800X was always priced in AMD laymen terms in the very upper limit region though, knowing it would have to come down a bit later.
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Really does not matter cause people buy the 1700 and overclock it, which is the cheapest 8 core.
 
Gideon said:
Really does not matter cause people buy the 1700 and overclock it, which is the cheapest 8 core.
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a lot of average people won't also all data shows that 1700x and esp 1800x are binned better so i would say among everyone i know with R7's right now only about 50% of them have 1700's
 
Frito11 said:
a lot of average people won't also all data shows that 1700x and esp 1800x are binned better so i would say among everyone i know with R7's right now only about 50% of them have 1700's
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They are not and AMD has stated that. I have seen the X chips not clock better I will say the 1800X seems to do the best, but it's also the top Ryzen chip. Of course this is not the only forum I visit there is a massive Ryzen owners thread I go to on another site and most are running the 1700 due to the price. Just like the average consumer will buy the lower priced one more often then not. But I think the average consumer is looking at the 6 core more often then not.

https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Computers-Accessories-Computer-CPU-Processors/zgbs/pc/229189
 
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Gideon said:
They are not and AMD has stated that. I have seen the X chips not clock better I will say the 1800X seems to do the best, but it's also the top Ryzen chip. Of course this is not the only forum I visit there is a massive Ryzen owners thread I go to on another site and most are running the 1700 due to the price. Just like the average consumer will buy the lower priced one more often then not. But I think the average consumer is looking at the 6 core more often then not.

https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Computers-Accessories-Computer-CPU-Processors/zgbs/pc/229189
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silicon lottery's findings say different and AMD has said they are using the best binned IC's in the threadripper, theres plenty of speculation that, that is the reason why newer 1800x's seem to never be able to do 4.1 yet at launch they often would...
 
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Why would you compare it to a 1800X. Totally different price bracket. Either way I think the 8700k is a damn good CPU at $359. Sure it has 2 less cores, but to me it more than makes up for it in IPC, specially if it can clock at 5ghz on 6 cores.

Should compare it to the 1700x
 
Gideon said:
A stock 1800X vs a possible suicide overclock of a 8700K on a questionable site and you want to call that a win..ok. As for the gaming advantage that is mostly in twitch games on 144hz monitors at the pro level, so that .02% of the gaming market that Intel is better in. More to life then just games but I understand why you cling to them, just like you guys dont want to see the Serve the Home review of EPYC anymore since they recommended them. You also have the pro of not having to delid you cpu on the Zen side of things to overclock it or pay someone else to do it. There is a much smaller difference in performance from Intel to AMD then you guys like to represent, heck even pro Intel guys see right through those posts.
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i hope i dont get banned again for saying this...since its a fact....but...can you be more dishonest?

Suicide clock? SKL and KBY have very well known clock ranges and with the improved process (which intel has proved to have been honest and accurate in regards to PR statements and real world results) it will only get better so your being dishonest and ridiculously flagrant about this for some reason.

Intel stated there was about a 12% improvement with the new process and binned chips showed a 400mhz improvement in max and average clocks which is ~8-9% plus numerous other improvements in voltages, IMC, stability, and more.

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99%+ of everything is single thread limited from OS, Explorer, chrome, PDF, most games ever made, OCR, office, and on and on
.02% of gamers? Really? single thread is most important thing in pretty much all games minus the handful of well coded AAA games. Single thread is what will give you the best minimum frame rate and thats all that really matters. Max and average frame rate are stupid measurements in terms of quality and enjoy-ability of a gaming experience.
As a mainstream desktop a 7700K or 8700K will provide way better experience period
KBY/coffelake have/will beat AMD in single thread by 25-35%....thats huge

You mention serve the home....EPYC is a fantastic CPU....for rendering, servers, and highly threaded loads. Awful for day to day and fast response time programs. (transaction based operations like the normal desktop user experiences)

https://jlelliotton.blogspot.com/p/the-economic-value-of-rapid-response.html
 
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Shintai said:
Why wouldn´t the IGP work. The CPU would be faulty if it didn't.
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cause im laptop users and they usually dont build mobo to make sure iGP works to save money. its good to know desktop has it working by default as it should be intended to work.

juanrga said:
Very true, an estimation on the low single digit percent was made in the former pages, it was ~4% if I remember correctly.
I see, thank. Note that the CoffeeLake chip was tested with RAM below stock clocks, which invalidates one of the arguments given to why it would have slightly higher IPC.
It is also possible that was tested with non-final BIOS, because it get 1--2% lower scores in several ST benches, when it would be at least on pair when using same memory on all chips.
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dont matter because both using same ram. because even with higher IMC it makes little difference, or are you perhaps saying 7700k with ram running above the default 2400 would have no benefit? course not. so in this case both setup at 2400 assuming they are not lying, theres no improvement in ipc, which is logical as it only adds 2 more cores.


Gideon said:
Even at 5Ghz it still cant beat a 8 core Ryzen in CB 15, guess you guys called that one wrong.
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i dont use it to run CB15 all day, do you? it'll definitely beat ryzen 8 core at 4ghz in almost 99.9% of the consumer application thats all that matters.
 
SomeGuy133 said:
i hope i dont get banned again for saying this...since its a fact....but...can you be more dishonest?

Suicide clock? SKL and KBY have very well known clock ranges and with the improved process (which intel has proved to have been honest and accurate in regards to PR statements and real world results) it will only get better so your being dishonest and ridiculously flagrant about this for some reason.

Intel stated there was about a 12% improvement with the new process and binned chips showed a 400mhz improvement in max and average clocks which is ~8-9% plus numerous other improvements in voltages, IMC, stability, and more.

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99%+ of everything is single thread limited from OS, Explorer, chrome, PDF, most games ever made, OCR, office, and on and on
.02% of gamers? Really? single thread is most important thing in pretty much all games minus the handful of well coded AAA games. Single thread is what will give you the best minimum frame rate and thats all that really matters. Max and average frame rate are stupid measurements in terms of quality and enjoy-ability of a gaming experience.
As a mainstream desktop a 7700K or 8700K will provide way better experience period
KBY/coffelake have/will beat AMD in single thread by 25-35%....thats huge

You mention serve the home....EPYC is a fantastic CPU....for rendering, servers, and highly threaded loads. Awful for day to day and fast response time programs. (transaction based operations like the normal desktop user experiences)

https://jlelliotton.blogspot.com/p/the-economic-value-of-rapid-response.html
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If single thread is so dominant and 99% important then everyone should be quite happy with an I3 2core 4 thread chip. Not. Modern or should I say newer games have been multithreaded for years now. Having the right number of cores at high clock speeds can aid in upping the max fps but for most folks it doesn't bring too much to the gaming experience as in being limited to 60hz or 60 fps of max data rate from the display. Most modern productivity programs make good use of threads, typical Office programs like Word processors, presentation programs run fast enough on 5 year old cpu's as it is.

As for the yet another version of the 1151 socket (boring) having extra power pins, :ROFLMAO:. What? Coffee lake will consume way more than 95w of power? If both Kaby and Coffee are 95w processors then why would one need more power pins? Kaby Lake anyways could consume well over 160w of power if well OC without these super extra power pins, so not supporting Z270 without giving anymore bandwidth or features from Z270 to Z370 is for what reason? Right, so you have to buy a new motherboard.

Still should be a very nice gaming setup configuration but then Z270 and Ryzen configurations are too. I think I will just keep my Skylake 6700K for a few more years.
 
noko said:
If single thread is so dominant and 99% important then everyone should be quite happy with an I3 2core 4 thread chip.
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Even problems that easily apply themselves to being multi-threaded still tend to have a single main thread doing a greater proportion of the work than any other thread. This especially applies to games, sure you can code a game to take advantage of 6 or 8 cores, but at the end of the day, the main thread is still going to be the primary bottleneck.

Nobody says single thread is all that matters, but it's very hard to compensate for poor single-thread performance by adding threads. For the vast majority of desktop workloads and problems, it would be better to have 1 really fast core and a small number of slower cores than an infinite number of slow cores.
 
noko said:
If single thread is so dominant and 99% important then everyone should be quite happy with an I3 2core 4 thread chip. Not. Modern or should I say newer games have been multithreaded for years now. Having the right number of cores at high clock speeds can aid in upping the max fps but for most folks it doesn't bring too much to the gaming experience as in being limited to 60hz or 60 fps of max data rate from the display. Most modern productivity programs make good use of threads, typical Office programs like Word processors, presentation programs run fast enough on 5 year old cpu's as it is.

As for the yet another version of the 1151 socket (boring) having extra power pins, :ROFLMAO:. What? Coffee lake will consume way more than 95w of power? If both Kaby and Coffee are 95w processors then why would one need more power pins? Kaby Lake anyways could consume well over 160w of power if well OC without these super extra power pins, so not supporting Z270 without giving anymore bandwidth or features from Z270 to Z370 is for what reason? Right, so you have to buy a new motherboard.

Still should be a very nice gaming setup configuration but then Z270 and Ryzen configurations are too. I think I will just keep my Skylake 6700K for a few more years.
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your lack of reading and understanding is staggering. Only games properly threaded are AAA games as I started. Everything else is single. I own 1500 games and i dont even think i can count 10 games that are not single thread/single thread limited.

Go read the link to actually understand how transactions work on a computer and why having a responsive system is important. Also your blatant logical fallacy on i3 shows how you have nothing useful to add.

my rig in my sig runs laps around my server which is faster than your ryzen build in day to day operations.
 
SomeGuy133 said:
your lack of reading and understanding is staggering. Only games properly threaded are AAA games as I started. Everything else is single. I own 1500 games and i dont even think i can count 10 games that are not single thread/single thread limited.

Go read the link to actually understand how transactions work on a computer and why having a responsive system is important. Also your blatant logical fallacy on i3 shows how you have nothing useful to add.

my rig in my sig runs laps around my server which is faster than your ryzen build in day to day operations.
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:ROFLMAO: your the one who said "99%+ of everything is single thread limited from . . ." Seems like 4 threads on an I3 to cover all bases from your logic would be overkill. Of course I am the one lacking understanding and have unresponsive system since being a Ryzen system that your system is so much more powerful. Good grief calm down a little, no one was attacking your system choices. Frankly my Ryzen system is way more responsive then my I7 system when things get humming along come to think about it.
 
SomeGuy133 said:
You mention serve the home....EPYC is a fantastic CPU....for rendering, servers, and highly threaded loads. Awful for day to day and fast response time programs. (transaction based operations like the normal desktop user experiences)
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I wouldn't say any zen based cpu is awful for day to day use or w/e thats probably going a bit too far tbh.

your points on single thread IPC being still relevant and important though for day to day and consumer use is 100% correct esp for gamers.
 
noko said:
:ROFLMAO: your the one who said "99%+ of everything is single thread limited from . . ." Seems like 4 threads on an I3 to cover all bases from your logic would be overkill. Of course I am the one lacking understanding and have unresponsive system since being a Ryzen system that your system is so much more powerful. Good grief calm down a little, no one was attacking your system choices. Frankly my Ryzen system is way more responsive then my I7 system when things get humming along come to think about it.
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well 90% of software we consumer uses are still not optimized for multi thread or multiple cores. i have plenty of software where the devs say they are multiprocess software but guess what, cpu meter readings only 1-2 threads working at a time rather than all of my cpu threads. more over, thats not even taking into account optimization for specific cpu architecture nor taking advantage of newer extension such as avx/avx2 and avx is like 6-7 yrs old now.

so yeah, ST performance is EXTREMELY important. you maybe able to get 2 cores to say 5.5ghz to make your point but you will lose out on the 10% multithreaded performance scenario where 2 cores will be hella slow. on the other hand if we do 4 cores at 5.4ghz or 6 cores at 5ghz, ST performance although not as good, its still better than crappy ryzen at only 4ghz, while having 2x/3x amount of cores than just dual cores.

i shouldnt have to explain this, you know as well as i do about how important ST is stop playing dumb.. or maybe u are dummy?
 
FPGA said:
I would be nice to have more bandwidth dedicated to storage devices in a mix-and-match scenario, for example, if only 1 card is detected, then give those lanes to n other devices etc.
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You can always just drop a dual M.2 card into an x8 slot, if such things exist.
 
Frito11 said:
silicon lottery's findings say different and AMD has said they are using the best binned IC's in the threadripper, theres plenty of speculation that, that is the reason why newer 1800x's seem to never be able to do 4.1 yet at launch they often would...
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Or it could have been the first releases bios that held them back.
oleNBR said:
cause im laptop users and they usually dont build mobo to make sure iGP works to save money. its good to know desktop has it working by default as it should be intended to work.



dont matter because both using same ram. because even with higher IMC it makes little difference, or are you perhaps saying 7700k with ram running above the default 2400 would have no benefit? course not. so in this case both setup at 2400 assuming they are not lying, theres no improvement in ipc, which is logical as it only adds 2 more cores.




i dont use it to run CB15 all day, do you? it'll definitely beat ryzen 8 core at 4ghz in almost 99.9% of the consumer application thats all that matters.
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Oh I am not saying that is massively important, but they did state that rediclous claim about CB15. It will be faster in some tasks no doubt but there are some tasks that Ryzen does well. Will see how well it really overclocks when the reviews drop from the normal sites as much of that value hinges on how well it does. it looks like a solid chip but will see if the public will choose it over a 8 core option, I think most will take the 8 core over the 6 core in the same price bracket.
 
noko said:
:ROFLMAO: your the one who said "99%+ of everything is single thread limited from . . ." Seems like 4 threads on an I3 to cover all bases from your logic would be overkill. Of course I am the one lacking understanding and have unresponsive system since being a Ryzen system that your system is so much more powerful. Good grief calm down a little, no one was attacking your system choices. Frankly my Ryzen system is way more responsive then my I7 system when things get humming along come to think about it.
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IIRC the right software you can install Windows Driver Kit and see what programs are single thread limited and you will be surprised on how basically every program is single thread limited.

i think it was Windows Driver Kit but it might be a different MS windows program. going off my head here

and go read IBMs study and stop choosing to be willfully ignorant.

Gideon said:
Or it could have been the first releases bios that held them back.



Oh I am not saying that is massively important, but they did state that rediclous claim about CB15. It will be faster in some tasks no doubt but there are some tasks that Ryzen does well. Will see how well it really overclocks when the reviews drop from the normal sites as much of that value hinges on how well it does. it looks like a solid chip but will see if the public will choose it over a 8 core option, I think most will take the 8 core over the 6 core in the same price bracket.
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pretty sure he was saying the first batch overclocked well and new batches dont because threadripper is getting all the good dies so new batches are lower binned dies vs first runs


whatever the public buys has nothing to do with what is better or worse. the public generally buys stupid things due to laziness, ignorance, and so on.
 
RPGWiZaRD said:
I hear ya, I'd definitely could use some 32GB ram capacity due daily video encoding and the more cores the more ram needed, with 16GB I can do 12 threads with 1GB ram per core/thread or 6 (real cores probably more efficient) and 2GB ram allocation, 3GB is out of the question per core or 2GB in case of 6C/12T and AE do likes using as much RAM as possible, at least 2GB is heavily preferred over 1GB per core allocation...

But with the current pricing, I just think 32GB is too costly still that I don't see myself spending that much money on RAM at this point.
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I was doing graphics editing and for the most part, 16GB was ok but occassionally it would give me a hard time. I certainly had to close some of my open tabs and not run my VMs anymore when I was doing it.
Considering how long I've had 16GB of RAM, I'm pretty pissed, this joke needs to end.

I hope the memory manufacturers get smashed. I want 32GB, DDR4, 3666 for under $180 US :mad:
 
AbRASiON said:
I was doing graphics editing and for the most part, 16GB was ok but occassionally it would give me a hard time. I certainly had to close some of my open tabs and not run my VMs anymore when I was doing it.
Considering how long I've had 16GB of RAM, I'm pretty pissed, this joke needs to end.
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I saw the same, plus doing photographic stitching really pushing the limits. Of course, I've jumped back into school, so I don't really have time for that...

AbRASiON said:
I hope the memory manufacturers get smashed. I want 32GB, DDR4, 3666 for under $180 US :mad:
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I paid about US$180 for 2x16GB DDR4-3000, which was more or less on sale back when the getting was good. Getting DDR4-3666 in that capacity for the same price is optimistic, I like your style :D.

[and if I were to add a pessimistic perspective on balance, it'd be that we're not likely to see DDR4 ever come down; DDR5 will be here first, and then the prices of DDR4 will really skyrocket]
 
Gideon said:
Or it could have been the first releases bios that held them back.
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Ryzen AGESA updates haven't done anything for overclocking the core, just the RAM. DDR4 compatibility was a shitshow at release and everyone knows that, ironically though trying to maximize both ram and core on Ryzen has led many people to make a hard choice, clock the core higher or the ram higher because they both reach their limit and it becomes a trade off where you could have DDR4-3600 working with b-die OR you can have 4 Ghz... and many can't have both.. i know i see buddies tweaking their systems to this day still trying to eek out that last bit of performance on Ryzen.

On intel platforms the CPU IMC is very rarely a limiting factor, heck i degraded a 6700k IMC trying to push ram too far earlier this year to the point where it couldn't run anything but 2133 at stock (default) settings, if i gave the CPU SA and IO extra voltage however it still managed to do this http://hwbot.org/submission/3611266_ , yeah your reading that right DDR4 3966 @ CL 12 something ryzen can't dream of doing with the same exact ram.
 
Gideon said:
Oh I am not saying that is massively important, but they did state that rediclous claim about CB15. It will be faster in some tasks no doubt but there are some tasks that Ryzen does well. Will see how well it really overclocks when the reviews drop from the normal sites as much of that value hinges on how well it does. it looks like a solid chip but will see if the public will choose it over a 8 core option, I think most will take the 8 core over the 6 core in the same price bracket.
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CB15 is kinda weird software because it is well optimized for multi core that its fully capable of taking advantage of ryzen's CPU but thats also really the problem as well. majority of software dont even come close to that and only real benefiting from high frequency.

if we were go to 8 core ryzen at 4ghz, intel 6 cores at 5ghz. from pure 100% scaling, ryzen nets about 32 points in performance while intel is at 30 points in terms of 100% cpu usage multi threaded, which goes back to earlier statement, consumer software rarely has that. its a no brainer to go for intel especially they lowered the price point to a regular i7 4c/8t
 
Frito11 said:
Ryzen AGESA updates haven't done anything for overclocking the core, just the RAM. DDR4 compatibility was a shitshow at release and everyone knows that, ironically though trying to maximize both ram and core on Ryzen has led many people to make a hard choice, clock the core higher or the ram higher because they both reach their limit and it becomes a trade off where you could have DDR4-3600 working with b-die OR you can have 4 Ghz... and many can't have both.. i know i see buddies tweaking their systems to this day still trying to eek out that last bit of performance on Ryzen.

On intel platforms the CPU IMC is very rarely a limiting factor, heck i degraded a 6700k IMC trying to push ram too far earlier this year to the point where it couldn't run anything but 2133 at stock (default) settings, if i gave the CPU SA and IO extra voltage however it still managed to do this http://hwbot.org/submission/3611266_ , yeah your reading that right DDR4 3966 @ CL 12 something ryzen can't dream of doing with the same exact ram.
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The fact I can buy memory branded as "Ryzen" memory is GROSS.
Screw that rubbish, it's nearly 2018, not 1999. Ram is ram is ram, it should just damn well work for goodness sakes.
I shouldn't need to buy specific stuff. What if I decide to go with a Ryzen machine and then for some reason switch to Intel - will the ram work? will it work well? etc? Nope - not cool at all.
 
AbRASiON said:
What if I decide to go with a Ryzen machine and then for some reason switch to Intel - will the ram work? will it work well? etc? Nope - not cool at all.
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Actually, it should work exceedingly well with Intel. XMP and go, baby.
 
Brackle said:
so basically its a 7700k with 2 more cores.....Well so much for those people that said it would have higher IPC. Looks like the only reason he had bigger scores was because of the higher boost clock.

I still will get one. But hopefully people will now realize the Bullshit spewed by the 2 main Intel guys who post nonsense.
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Brackle said:
O yea some people did. I remember. Either way just shows intel hasnt increased IPC since the 6700k was released. Now doesnt mean the 8700k sucks on the contrary, i think its going to be the best mainstream CPU since the 2600k was released.
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Some few people, including myself, claimed that CoffeeLake would have slightly higher IPC in memory-bound workloads, thanks to larger L3 cache and higher memory clocks. There was even an attempt to estimate the gain: it would be in ~4% range or so.

Everyone, including myself, said that the main gains in performance would come from moar cores and higher clocks.
 
Gideon said:
Even at 5Ghz it still cant beat a 8 core Ryzen in CB 15, guess you guys called that one wrong.
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Do you believe a $360 6C chip being around 10% slower that $500 8C on one of the most favorable MT benches for Zen is a disaster or something?

At 5GHz it does 1618cb in that leak and some 8C Ryzen do less than that

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so your 5GHz claim is not all correct.
 
noko said:
If single thread is so dominant and 99% important then everyone should be quite happy with an I3 2core 4 thread chip. Not.
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Apart from misreading what has been stated, your argument is so weak that it is easily inverted: If multithread thread is so dominant and 99% important then everyone should be quite happy with an R7 8 core 16 thread chip. Not.
 
kirbyrj said:
I've been saying this for 2 months.
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Thechnical reasons for a new chipset have been given: moar cores, faster RAM.

On the other hand, I already start reading rumors about Pinnacle Ridge coming with a new 400-series chipset family... which are the reasons, if Pinnacle Rdige is just expected to be identical to Summit Ridge but with a fabric ~5% OC?
 
juanrga said:
Thechnical reasons for a new chipset have been given: moar cores, faster RAM.
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Don't even start with the Intel marketing bullshit. Better power delivery? Better OCing? Faster RAM? So do you really believe a $100 ECS Z370 board has better power delivery, better OCing, and faster RAM than a Z270 Asus Maximus IX Apex? I didn't think so.
 
Shintai said:
You forgot all the FM series.

And in 2018 you have the 400 series chipset.
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That's your response to everything. "BUT THE FM SERIES!!!!!!" God forbid you give AMD credit for maintaining a socket for a couple years unlike your Intel employers.

So what about a 400 series. You didn't sit there a year ago and complain, "And in 2017 you have the Z270 chipset" that was backward compatible with existing a new CPU's. If current gen B350/X370 boards are compatible with new CPU's the consumer wins (and we all know that only Intel winning matters to you...fuck the consumer).
 
kirbyrj said:
That's your response to everything. "BUT THE FM SERIES!!!!!!" God forbid you give AMD credit for maintaining a socket for a couple years unlike your Intel employers.

So what about a 400 series. You didn't sit there a year ago and complain, "And in 2017 you have the Z270 chipset" that was backward compatible with existing a new CPU's. If current gen B350/X370 boards are compatible with new CPU's the consumer wins (and we all know that only Intel winning matters to you...fuck the consumer).
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I can understand why you dont want to talk about the FM series socket because it invalidates your statement.

Unless Zen2 in 2019 works in current 300 series boards, then nothing has changed.

8700K is the new king :)
 
Frito11 said:
On intel platforms the CPU IMC is very rarely a limiting factor, heck i degraded a 6700k IMC trying to push ram too far earlier this year to the point where it couldn't run anything but 2133 at stock (default) settings, if i gave the CPU SA and IO extra voltage however it still managed to do this http://hwbot.org/submission/3611266_ , yeah your reading that right DDR4 3966 @ CL 12 something ryzen can't dream of doing with the same exact ram.
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There are plenty of people that have ran low timings and 4000 memory speeds on Ryzen after the last AGESA update. There is a massive thread http://www.overclock.net/t/1624139/official-ryzen-7-1800x-1700x-1700-owners-club-4ghz-club It's almost 2000 pages tho and most talk about memory overclocking these days.
 
Lol he is so mad!!! Ahha nice rebutle with the FM series.

He was very successful in convincing people that CFL will work with z270.
Just go back to the beginning of this thread. Then when announced it wouldn't be, he clammers on saying nobody replaces their cpu only any how.
 
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