Intel's 8th Generation Core Family - Coffee Lake (LGA 1151, 6C/12T)

Where do you expect Core i7-8700K's Turbo to land?

  • 3.8/3.9 GHz

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • 4.0/4.1 GHz

    Votes: 3 23.1%

  • 4.2/4.3 GHz

    Votes: 6 46.2%

  • 4.4/4.5 GHz

    Votes: 3 23.1%

  • 4.6/4.7 GHz

    Votes: 1 7.7%
  • Total voters
    13
  • Poll closed .
I do wonder why they are being tight lipped on turbos and die size.

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Wasn't their also a leak a while back stating Coffee lakes die size, if anyone has it can they share it?
 
Shintai said:
So much for all the conspiracy people. As expected there was a reason beyond "evil Intel" :)
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IDK, unless they changed pin functions it doesn't make sense there are plenty of high end Z170 and Z270 motherboards with VRMs and DDR4 setups MORE than capable of running a 6 core cpu at DDR 2666. considering that someone has already tried running kaby in z370 and vice versa for coffe lake in z270 and other than it not booting there was no damage to anything they clearly didn't change any of the power input pins. myself and others i know with overclocking boards are hoping we might see leaked bios'es from asus and asrock enabling CFL on them because there really doesn't appear to be any other thing other than bios stopping it still.
 
Shintai said:
So much for all the conspiracy people. As expected there was a reason beyond "evil Intel" :)
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I don't think you read the same article I did. Intel's answers were horseshit. Improved overclocking? Up to DDR4 2666 speed? "Getting the max out of a 6 core processor"?
 
Although I have a fully equipped dual 1080ti 1950x AMD. I am really wanting to build a 8700k as well and pull one of 1080ti cards and use it with a 240hz monitor for fps. Would make a retarded fast fps shooter rig. Maybe an 8600k but depends on the price differential. Ive always been a sucker for SMT. But purely gaming I think an 8600k lacking in SMT may game faster.
 
kirbyrj said:
I don't think you read the same article I did. Intel's answers were horseshit. Improved overclocking? Up to DDR4 2666 speed? "Getting the max out of a 6 core processor"?
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And that sure as he'll doesn't explain why you can't use a cheap KBL on a z370 as a "starter chip" for a later upgrade. Had z370 been out last month, that would have been my route since I needed a pc now, but decided to go AM4.

Yet they now plan on releasing an i3 KBLx for the x299...
 
Nightfire said:
And that sure as he'll doesn't explain why you can't use a cheap KBL on a z370 as a "starter chip" for a later upgrade. Had z370 been out last month, that would have been my route since I needed a pc now, but decided to go AM4.

Yet they now plan on releasing an i3 KBLx for the x299...
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Just like he will never address why component manufacturers had CFL as an IMVP8 chip as late as May.
 
kirbyrj said:
Intel's answers to the Z370 "problem" make them sound ridiculous like we didn't already know it was a money grab. They wax eloquent about the new power delivery, but even VRM PWM controller manufacturer Richtek had the IMVP8 spec for CFL as late as May 2017 and not changing to IMVP9 until 10nm. New socket to support DDR4 2666? Funny, my "old" Z170 board supported DDR4 3200 without issues.
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OMG, Intel is a business with shareholders!
 
DooKey said:
OMG, Intel is a business with shareholders!
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I'm not denying that. And I have no problem with companies making a profit. But they won't be getting my money this time around because of their lack of backward compatibility. Obviously I'm in the minority in the grand scheme of cpu buyers. Especially with how limited the z370 board is going to be going forward. I might as well wait for the 390 or just go X299.
 
DooKey said:
WGAF since the 8700K is coming next month and will be the best all around cpu you can buy for gaming?
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I am thinking the 8600k is going to be the best strictly gaming cpu. SMT is not needed for gaming these days. Maybe in 2 years time well see... consoles are coming out with more and more cores so as they port over the demand for pc cores will increase with time.

We are approaching the limits of moores law and the only way forward is some new radical tech or more cores. 5nm might be the technical limit for electron motion between atoms within a microprocessor as the Bohr Radius of a si atom is 111 pm or 0.111 nm. Of course 5nm might be possible but anything shorter than that and we may encounter quantum issues not sure ... well see.

The Bohr radius of Hydrongen is 5.2nm so once our processes get the transistors on the 5nm scale ... we are already forcing electrons to move between transistors where two of them can be within the boundaries of the electron orbit of a single hydrogen atom. This is some small scale stuff and really pushes the limits of stability on the atomic level. Not stability as far as explosive or anything, just where electrons go between point a and b might get screwy.
 
tangoseal said:
I am thinking the 8600k is going to be the best strictly gaming cpu. SMT is not needed for gaming these days. Maybe in 2 years time well see... consoles are coming out with more and more cores so as they port over the demand for pc cores will increase with time.

We are approaching the limits of moores law and the only way forward is some new radical tech or more cores. 5nm might be the technical limit for electron motion between atoms within a microprocessor as the Bohr Radius of a si atom is 111 pm or 0.111 nm. Of course 5nm might be possible but anything shorter than that and we may encounter quantum issues not sure ... well see.

The Bohr radius of Hydrongen is 5.2nm so once our processes get the transistors on the 5nm scale ... we are already forcing electrons to move between transistors where two of them can be within the boundaries of the electron orbit of a single hydrogen atom. This is some small scale stuff and really pushes the limits of stability on the atomic level. Not stability as far as explosive or anything, just where electrons go between point a and b might get screwy.
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You cant just make generalizations like that as some games can most certainly take advantage of SMT/HT. Even on the Ryzen 8 core/ 16 thread cpu, Techspot sometimes had better performance in games when using SMT than with it off. With as long as we typically keep cpus then getting the 8700k makes much more long term sense for a higher end build as games will only get more threaded. And also think about how much faster gpus will get during those 4 years we typically keep a cpu.
 
misterbobby said:
You cant just make generalizations like that as some games can most certainly take advantage of SMT/HT. Even on the Ryzen 8 core/ 16 thread cpu, Techspot sometimes had better performance in games when using SMT than with it off.
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We are talking abut the best all around gaming cpu... which means money is a factor. Not the best if you have no budget. ANd we are not talking about HEDT.

Of course SMT is always a benefit but for the bulk of people that have a $x budget... they are going to get the best bang for the buck and if it has to be within the Intel world it is going to be the best with out the extra fat on top. Just an opinion.

Like I said .. I have a Threadripper 1950x ... do I need an 8700K hell no. But I am thinking of building one simply for the IPC and to make a dedicated First person shooter machine.

My son can play Minecraft on it when im not using it lol.

But let me reiterate... SMT is not required... is that a better way to phrase it? Not needed is probably a generalization and you are right in that regard.

I just really hope the price is comparable to the 1700x @ $299.00. $400 is just asking way too damned much when I can get a octo core for less.
 
tangoseal said:
We are talking abut the best all around gaming cpu... which means money is a factor. Not the best if you have no budget. ANd we are not talking about HEDT.

Of course SMT is always a benefit but for the bulk of people that have a $x budget... they are going to get the best bang for the buck and if it has to be within the Intel world it is going to be the best with out the extra fat on top. Just an opinion.

Like I said .. I have a Threadripper 1950x ... do I need an 8700K hell no. But I am thinking of building one simply for the IPC and to make a dedicated First person shooter machine.

My son can play Minecraft on it when im not using it type thing lol.
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Who said anything about HEDT? And I have enough sense to look long term when I buy a cpu so 100 bucks spread out over 4 years of keeping a cpu does not mean squat and lets me get full use out of all current and upcoming games and take full advantage of any gpu upgrade during that time. And AGAIN I am referring to higher end builds not some lower budget build.
 
misterbobby said:
Who said anything about HEDT? And I have enough sense to look long term when I buy a cpu so 100 bucks spread out over 4 years of keeping a cpu does not mean squat and lets me get full use out of all current and upcoming games and take full advantage of any gpu upgrade during that time. And I AGAIN I am referring to higher end builds not some lower budget build.
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Good god man you just HAVE to start an argument over retarded semantics. Sorry to trigger your offense mechanism.

But seriously yes you are right ... read my above edit.
 
tangoseal said:
Good god man you just HAVE to start an argument over retarded semantics. Sorry to trigger your offense mechanism.

But seriously yes you are right ... read my above edit.
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Not sure what your problem is. You were the one that said SMT/HT does not matter so I was pointing out that even right now it does help in some games and would make more long term sense if building a high end gaming pc.
 
DooKey said:
OMG, Intel is a business with shareholders!
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Noted, but now that Intel has competition again, why not force them to cut the crap with out wallets?

It was easy for Intel to pull this in the past, but they have real competition so no point in letting them continue.

The are certainly still trying (backward compatibility, 'raid keys', gimped pci-e
 
misterbobby said:
Not sure what your problem is. You were the one that said SMT/HT does not matter so I was pointing out that even right now it does help in some games and would make more long term sense if building a high end gaming pc.
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My problem is how combative you are with your opinion vs. mine. Its just damned opinions. No need to keep hammering this through man. /fin
 
The so called SKU leaked is a Kaby Lake X I5 ES... Pretty much debunked at this point.

Even if it was real we would see leaked benches by now, which we have none off, seems completely fabricated and false.
 
Dayman said:
The so called SKU leaked is a Kaby Lake X I5 ES... Pretty much debunked at this point.

Even if it was real we would see leaked benches by now, which we have none off, seems completely fabricated and false.
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But did you see the MEMES? You can't forget about the MEMES!

Intel with their HEDT lately : pcmasterrace
Intel with their HEDT lately : Intel
You okay there Intel? : pcmasterrace

My favorite with the FAKE NEWS title.
Intel launches dual core i3 7360X on the X299 platform. WTF Intel

Bonus points, people who don't understand TDP in the comments.
 
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That is the problem with the bubble world of huge open comment sections like reddit and youtube as opposed to a structured forum section. There is no on there to 'kindly' correct them.
 
Nightfire said:
That is the problem with the bubble world of huge open comment sections like reddit and youtube as opposed to a structured forum section. There is no on there to 'kindly' correct them.
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It's a consequence of the upvote/downvote system. Only trendy comments have weight, and the truth ain't always trendy.

That's why Reddit is a breeding ground for fake news, misinformation, and clickbait. About half of the things you see there are misleading or outright false, and the average Redditor is about half as smart as he thinks he is. Anyone who gets their news and information from Meme subreddits even moreso.

WCCFTech and AdoredTV have built their entire businesses thanks to gullible idiots.
 
Dayman said:
I do wonder why they are being tight lipped on turbos and die size.

EDIT:

Wasn't their also a leak a while back stating Coffee lakes die size, if anyone has it can they share it?
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That part was known ages ago.

149mm2 for the 6 core.
126mm2 for the 4 core.

8700K turbo bins.
1 Core 4.7Ghz
2 cores 4.6Ghz
4 cores 4.4Ghz
6 cores 4.3Ghz
 
DooKey said:
WGAF since the 8700K is coming next month and will be the best all around cpu you can buy for gaming?
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Nailed it. It will also trigger a huge pricecut on the bugged CPUs from another vendor, putting it back into FX pricing.
 
tangoseal said:
Like I said .. I have a Threadripper 1950x ... do I need an 8700K hell no. But I am thinking of building one simply for the IPC and to make a dedicated First person shooter machine.
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Your TR is so far behind its not even funny. And lets not even talk about you need to enter "game" mode to compensate.

tangoseal said:
I just really hope the price is comparable to the 1700x @ $299.00. $400 is just asking way too damned much when I can get a octo core for less.
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You also thought a 2600K, 3770K, 4770K, 4970K, 6700K etc also should be 250$ because you could buy 8 FX cores for less?

The 1700(X)/1800X is pretty much a joke of a chip compared to the 8700K. Unless all you do is to run a handful of legacy code apps all day.

The question is rather if the price for a 1700X much above 200$ can sell after CFL launch.
 
Nightfire said:
Noted, but now that Intel has competition again, why not force them to cut the crap with out wallets?

It was easy for Intel to pull this in the past, but they have real competition so no point in letting them continue.

The are certainly still trying (backward compatibility, 'raid keys', gimped pci-e
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They have real competition? If you want price cuts look at the Ryzen line after CFL launch.

Its already proven over and over that Ryzen cant deliver what the initial expectation set.
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
It's a consequence of the upvote/downvote system. Only trendy comments have weight, and the truth ain't always trendy.

That's why Reddit is a breeding ground for fake news, misinformation, and clickbait. About half of the things you see there are misleading or outright false, and the average Redditor is about half as smart as he thinks he is. Anyone who gets their news and information from Meme subreddits even moreso.

WCCFTech and AdoredTV have built their entire businesses thanks to gullible idiots.
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Agree, but think those places play a fundamental social role: Better keep those noisy idiots there than here!!
 
Nightfire said:
I won't argue with a child. Feel free to throw up your fruity pebble charts for the nth time. You seem pretty sad.

The R7 1700/x will compete with the 8700. The extra clocks will more than make up for the IPC advantage.

The 8700k will not have any direct competition, so Intel will jack up the price again as always. Yeah, the 1800x is in the same price range, but most buy the equally capable 1700 series.
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So the $370 i7 is in the same price range than the $450 R7?

http://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-amd_ryzen_7_1800x-705-vs-intel_core_i7_8700k-763

What extra clocks?
 
@Juangra: admittedly the 1800x is an overpriced product and pointless since the rest of the R7s can o/c. Once o/CD, the R7s have a higher clock for about the same price as the 8700.
 
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This is a table I made couple of weeks ago based of leaks, i'm pretty sure that the 8700 is not lower clocked than the R7s on single + multi, but an OCed 1700 will beat the locked 8700 in multi obvs.
 
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